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[orcrist86]

Also, double xp makes me so happy I think I'm dying



Loudout:

10K
Large Pulse Laser
Medium Laser
LRM 5
1 ton LRM ammo
1.5 Tons AMS Ammo
2 AMS
Stock STD engine
1.48 Heat efficiency

[Greenjulius]

It's still half the mech that the firestarter is. Everything the Panther can do, the Firestarter can perform more efficiently, and faster.

[FupDup]

Your 35 ton Panther has the same speed as a 85 ton Warhawk....eeeeeeeeeeeeewwww.

[STEF_]

Believe, friends... a week ago I got tired to screenshot my drops in my Panthers

A loooot of kills and dmg. Awesome mech! My fav. light, atm.

[Bishop Steiner]

Greenjulius, on 07 March 2015 - 10:25 AM, said:

It's still half the mech that the firestarter is. Everything the Panther can do, the Firestarter can perform more efficiently, and faster.

And? You can play the panther without feeling slimy and cheesy and like the mech did all the work for you.

[Zolaz]

Bishop Steiner, on 07 March 2015 - 11:42 AM, said:

And? You can play the panther without feeling slimy and cheesy and like the mech did all the work for you.

Oh, like you feel when you run Clan mechs?

[Greenjulius]

Zolaz, on 07 March 2015 - 11:48 AM, said:

Oh, like you feel when you run Clan mechs?

[Bishop Steiner]

Zolaz, on 07 March 2015 - 11:48 AM, said:

Oh, like you feel when you run Clan mechs?

Naw. never feel cheap in my Summoner. If you are getting pwned by them regularly, you might want to invest in a remedial mech piloting course.

[Mirumoto Izanami]

Stefka Kerensky, on 07 March 2015 - 11:40 AM, said:

Believe, friends... a week ago I got tired to screenshot my drops in my Panthers

A loooot of kills and dmg. Awesome mech! My fav. light, atm.

No no. Shhh....let them continue believing and espousing how bad they think the Panther is.

[orcrist86]

FupDup, on 07 March 2015 - 10:30 AM, said:

Your 35 ton Panther has the same speed as a 85 ton Warhawk....eeeeeeeeeeeeewwww.

I consider it Urbie training.

[Greenjulius]

I'm simply blown away that people are defending a mech that's worse than any other 35 tonner IS can field.

[FupDup]

Greenjulius, on 07 March 2015 - 12:25 PM, said:

I'm simply blown away that people are defending a mech that's worse than any other 35 tonner IS can field.

Well, the Pan is at least more durable (better hitboxed) than Jenners and Ravens, for what that's worth.

It could use some of its quirks being nudged up (particularly those useless +15% missile range quirks!) but the mech as a whole isn't completely unsalvageable. In particular I'd like for [ER]PPCs not to suck when unquirked, because quirked versions inherit some of that suckiness.

[Greenjulius]

FupDup, on 07 March 2015 - 12:28 PM, said:

Well, the Pan is at least more durable (better hitboxed) than Jenners and Ravens, for what that's worth.

I'll agree in that. But speed is more important to lights that hitboxes. The locust has poor hitboxes, but can make up for it with 170kph lag shield. I'd rather run locusts at this point. I can get more consistent 500+ damage games in my 1E and PB than any Panther.

[Green Mamba]

Panther has better hitboxes than the FS...Yes I said it

[FupDup]

Greenjulius, on 07 March 2015 - 12:37 PM, said:

I'll agree in that. But speed is more important to lights that hitboxes. The locust has poor hitboxes, but can make up for it with 170kph lag shield. I'd rather run locusts at this point. I can get more consistent 500+ damage games in my 1E and PB than any Panther.

Keep in mind that I'm saying the Pan is "good," I'm just saying it's "less bad" than your assessment would indicate. It could use some improvement and quirkage reassignments for sure.

I think its biggest issue is just damage output.

• The durability is actually quite respectable unless you get hit by a 30+ PPFLD alpha, though I could see a bit of a nudge to their internal structure quirks.
  
• Their mobility seems acceptable if used as a second line troll mech rather than quick skirmisher like a "real" light.
  
• Their "fatal flaw" seems to be just not doing that much damage unless using a gimmick loadout like 2 PPCs.

I'd give the PPC variants more velocity and replace missile range with added missile cooldown for starters. The LL variant needs reduced energy heat badly, maybe give all 3 variants a bit better heat management. Perhaps a bit more cooldown on their energy as well. I could see a bit more internal structure on their gun arm if we need to.

Edited by FupDup, 07 March 2015 - 12:46 PM.

[Greenjulius]

FupDup, on 07 March 2015 - 12:45 PM, said:

• Their mobility seems acceptable if used as a second line troll mech rather than quick skirmisher like a "real" light.

That's a great tagline for the mech. Panther: Second Line Troll Mech.

[FupDup]

Greenjulius, on 07 March 2015 - 12:47 PM, said:

That's a great tagline for the mech. Panther: Second Line Troll Mech.

Like this:

[orcrist86]

The panther is a troll mech, and thats its function. It fights at range or using other mechs for cover. Unlike the traditional srm bomb jenners or pulse laser lights that require skilled steering the panther require positioning and aim. Like a tiny atlas.

[STEF_]

Greenjulius, on 07 March 2015 - 12:37 PM, said:

I'll agree in that. But speed is more important to lights that hitboxes. The locust has poor hitboxes, but can make up for it with 170kph lag shield. I'd rather run locusts at this point. I can get more consistent 500+ damage games in my 1E and PB than any Panther.

Sorry but I cannot agree.

Speed is very important for scouts and hit and hide lights, but it's not true that any lights must to be piloted in this way.

There is a trade here: panther has low tonnage engine, but can have more weapon tonnage and good alpha.
That said, 127 kph isn't so ****** with its very good hitboxes. I do mistakes sometime, but when I play well with attention, my match results are always around 400-500 dmg, and not piloting as it were a firestarte, of course.

About locusts, in a lot of previous posts/threads, I've written that they are OP.... or better, they are OQ: over quirked!
They have insane quirks, and that's why it is relatively simple to do matches with insane dmg for a 20 tonner.

[STEF_]

orcrist86, on 07 March 2015 - 12:53 PM, said:

The panther is a troll mech, and thats its function. It fights at range or using other mechs for cover. Unlike the traditional srm bomb jenners or pulse laser lights that require skilled steering the panther require positioning and aim. Like a tiny atlas.

Define "troll", because this word has a negative feeling/meaning.
I totally agree with this: "It fights at range or using other mechs for cover. Unlike the traditional srm bomb jenners or pulse laser lights that require skilled steering the panther require positioning and aim." which it doesn't seem trolling, but a panther properly piloted