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[Rossario x Vampire]

Despite being the best "bang per buck" platform Timber also famous for most Headshoted mech.
It's not my fault that you can't aim for that window in front on Timber.


If we talking about this TBR-X that is not even close to being OP cause of advanced heat management skill needed to pilot this Timberwub.

Edited by Rossario x Vampire, 10 March 2015 - 12:56 PM.

[Deathlike]

topgun505, on 10 March 2015 - 12:23 PM, said:

Realistically they should never have released the S variant (and thus not given it jump capability).

This would have:

1. Prevented the bunny-hopping shenanigans.
2. Given a reason to take the Summoner since it would be the only clan heavy right now with jump capability.

But it's too late now. Can't take it back now or they'd have a full on riot on their hands.

I disagree with that fundamental assertion.

We have the similar case (not a perfect match) in the Stormcrow (Timberwolf) and the Nova (Summoner).

The only difference is that the Summoner suffers in loadout options, and not durability.

Even w/o JJs, the Timberwolves would still roam the way they do.

[Ultimax]

Bishop Steiner, on 10 March 2015 - 12:33 PM, said:

The speed might not seem huge paper and pencil, but it gives it a tactical edge that a mech 20 kph slower can't match.

Its amazing the tactical edge that +20 kph gives.

[BARBAR0SSA]

Bishop Steiner, on 10 March 2015 - 12:25 PM, said:

so because using 2 players in egregiously broken tier 1 light mechs, can take out a single player in a 75 ton mech....... you don't see the slight disconnect there? Let's maybe see what happens without the 2 to 1 combat/targeting advantage (which is huge, actually) and using mechs that aren't over quirked and protected by ridiculous levels of lag shield/hitreg issues?

Because right now, a pair of FS9s is a match for just about any other single Mech in the game, barring some huge levels of piloting skill disparity.

I was more so pointing out how no one ever bothers to factor in tonnage when comparing mechs.

If a 60T Mech can almost kill a 75T mech before dying, that makes a difference to drop deck advantage in the game.

eg. A dragon 1N kills or severely cripple a Timber before dying to the point the next 1N drop mech finishes it off without a scratch, repeat happens. Now the 2 timber deck would have 90T left where IS has 120(I'm going by old 240T limit), Stormcrow vs 5ss/9s/1N whichever you want would most likely end up the same scenario, both mechs gone. Now an Adder or Myst lynx vs something like a wolverine 6k.. that match up is just evil.

In my made up scenario here, it plays out a lot better and there's chances to exploit weaknesses in mechs that you know the builds of, just died to a mech loaded with small lasers and SRMS? Drop in a long range mech and rip them apart from a distance without taking damage



Now with 12 v 12 MM I believe is more of the issue due to MM balancing viewing all heavies as equal. Lets face it, a TBR vs a non quirk build Orion is going to completely outclass it by a long shot in most scenarios. That effectively makes the match 11.2 vs 12. I'd say if MM was intelligent enough, it would almost need to do a weighted score based upon the mech "Tier" rating, average damage done per drop of the mech and Elo, although people would exploit this..... but that's about the only way to stop the 12 v 12 slaughter.

[Evan20k]

Awww damnit, I go out for lunch and Bishop says basically everything that I would have wanted to say.

I just finished my 5th match in my TBR-Prime with a 4 ERML + 2 LPL build and have all my basics done. I don't think there's any other mech I've played that has all of its basics done in 5 games.



I agree that the best solution would be to slightly lower its mobility via lowering its torso twist speed and turn rate. I also feel that the jumpjet fluttering is something that absolutely has to be addressed before this mech can be considered anything close to balanced. I should not be able to facetank a King Crab in a 75 ton mech by mashing Spacebar.



EDIT: Now to clarify, I started as a Clan player (without SCRs and TBRs, I'm weird I know.) that used primarily HBRs before I fell in love with IS assaults, but the main arguments I'm seeing is that while an overquirked mech can potentially get the drop on you, they have their own weaknesses they need to play around (DGN-1N needs to protect its arm for instance) while the TBR doesn't really have any weaknesses. As appetizing as a target as missile-ears are, I would hardly call that a fair tradeoff for all the strengths it brings to the table. .

Edited by Evan20k, 10 March 2015 - 01:09 PM.

[Creovex]

I have not played the Timber since the day after they adjusted the fixed spaces. The setups I like don't work. Always been a summoner fan since the MW2 intro and haven't looked back. The TBR just doesn't fit my playstyle.

I tend to agree that IS mech should not fear it as I constantly kill them with Quickdraws and Thunderbolts in public play.

[Rossario x Vampire]

People you are waaaayyyy out over estimating Timber. Stop whine about everything... or I'll tell your mom what you where watching last night.

[Creovex]

I did all variants of the Enforcers in 5 in 2-3... thanks 2x XP weekend!


FYI- Next time you see a Timberwolf, stop flinching. You front load your armor and they lose if you can aim better then a 5th grader

Edited by Creovex, 10 March 2015 - 01:13 PM.

[Rossario x Vampire]

Creovex, on 10 March 2015 - 01:06 PM, said:

I have not played the Timber since the day after they adjusted the fixed spaces. The setups I like don't work. Always been a summoner fan since the MW2 intro and haven't looked back. The TBR just doesn't fit my playstyle.

I tend to agree that IS mech should not fear it as I constantly kill them with Quickdraws and Thunderbolts in public play.

Since BNC-3M(C) arrival TBR's are not the fear. 66PPFLD does it's job, like also they do on AS7-RS or BNC-3E with AC20+LPL's large PPFLD dealers. Also Timber fear the Crab, cause some crabs still wear twin AC20.

[CrushLibs]

Compared to most IS mechs in a +/- 10 ton range the TW is lesser due to quirks example:

I posted this earlier in another post

Laser Vomit TW with 18 DHS and 6 ERLarge frozen city 12 chain fire shots ,,, Stalker 4N with 18 DHS and 6 ERLarge 20 chain fire shots.

Shots before overheating TW 12 , Stalker 20
Damage output TW 132 , Stalker 180
Range output TW 740m , Stalker 743m

Stalker has shorter laser duration too. So for all you IS whinners complaining about laser vomit clanners go look in a mirror and thank PGI.

Most IS weapons have more range , faster cycle times , and less heat + customization of engine , armor , and endo clans can't touch if you are losing ground on CW get off your butts and play because for now the IS has a HUGE upper hand

Edited by CrushLibs, 10 March 2015 - 01:14 PM.

[Kain Demos]

Evan20k, on 10 March 2015 - 01:06 PM, said:

Awww damnit, I go out for lunch and Bishop says basically everything that I would have wanted to say.

I just finished my 5th match in my TBR-Prime with a 4 ERML + 2 LPL build and have all my basics done. I don't think there's any other mech I've played that has all of its basics done in 5 games.



I agree that the best solution would be to slightly lower its mobility via lowering its torso twist speed and turn rate. I also feel that the jumpjet fluttering is something that absolutely has to be addressed before this mech can be considered anything close to balanced. I should not be able to facetank a King Crab in a 75 ton mech by mashing Spacebar.



EDIT: Now to clarify, I started as a Clan player (without SCRs and TBRs, I'm weird I know.) that used primarily HBRs before I fell in love with IS assaults, but the main arguments I'm seeing is that while an overquirked mech can potentially get the drop on you, they have their own weaknesses they need to play around (DGN-1N needs to protect its arm for instance) while the TBR doesn't really have any weaknesses. As appetizing as a target as missile-ears are, I would hardly call that a fair tradeoff for all the strengths it brings to the table. .

Unless the King Crab player is terrible or in a terrible build you are not face tanking him even with fluttering.

[1453 R]

Why hasn't anyone banned Rossario yet?

Better question: why hasn't anyone challenged Rossario to a duel to see if he can even remotely back up the neverending s*** he talks? I'm not even that great a pilot and I'd do it in a heartbeat here if I wasn't at work.

Someone figure something out on that end, please. And while they're at it, record the video. I'd like to watch.


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CrushLibs, on 10 March 2015 - 01:12 PM, said:

Compared to most IS mechs in a +/- 10 ton range the TW is lesser due to quirks example:

I posted this earlier in another post

Laser Vomit TW with 18 DHS and 6 ERLarge frozen city 12 chain fire shots ,,, Stalker 4N with 18 DHS and 6 ERLarge 20 chain fire shots.

Shots before overheating TW 12 , Stalker 20
Damage output TW 132 , Stalker 180
Range output TW 740m , Stalker 743m

Stalker has shorter laser duration too. So for all you IS whinners complaining about laser vomit clanners go look in a mirror and thank PGI.

Most IS weapons have more range , faster cycle times , and less heat + customization of engine , armor , and endo clans can't touch if you are losing ground on CW get off your butts and play because for now the IS has a HUGE upper hand

Nobody sane puts six C-ERLL on a Timber Wolf. The normal Claservomit configuration is 2x C-LPL and between 3-5 C-ERML, depending on where the individual pilot likes to sit between sustainability and alpha potential. I guarantee you an average C-LPL/C-ERML Claservomit Wolf would gut your STK-4N without much issue, quirks or no.

Unfortunately.

*Sigh*

Edited by 1453 R, 10 March 2015 - 01:17 PM.

[Rossario x Vampire]

CrushLibs, on 10 March 2015 - 01:12 PM, said:

Compared to most IS mechs in a +/- 10 ton range the TW is lesser due to quirks example:

I posted this earlier in another post

Laser Vomit TW with 18 DHS and 6 ERLarge frozen city 12 chain fire shots ,,, Stalker 4N with 18 DHS and 6 ERLarge 20 chain fire shots.

Shots before overheating TW 12 , Stalker 20
Damage output TW 132 , Stalker 180
Range output TW 740m , Stalker 743m

Stalker has shorter laser duration too. So for all you IS whinners complaining about laser vomit clanners go look in a mirror and thank PGI.

Most IS weapons have more range , faster cycle times , and less heat + customization of engine , armor , and endo clans can't touch if you are losing ground on CW get off your butts and play because for now the IS has a HUGE upper hand

You are comparing Heavies to Assaults. You doing it wrong.

[A Large Infant]

CrushLibs, on 10 March 2015 - 01:12 PM, said:

Compared to most IS mechs in a +/- 10 ton range the TW is lesser due to quirks example:

I posted this earlier in another post

Laser Vomit TW with 18 DHS and 6 ERLarge frozen city 12 chain fire shots ,,, Stalker 4N with 18 DHS and 6 ERLarge 20 chain fire shots.

Shots before overheating TW 12 , Stalker 20
Damage output TW 132 , Stalker 180
Range output TW 740m , Stalker 743m

Stalker has shorter laser duration too. So for all you IS whinners complaining about laser vomit clanners go look in a mirror and thank PGI.

Most IS weapons have more range , faster cycle times , and less heat + customization of engine , armor , and endo clans can't touch if you are losing ground on CW get off your butts and play because for now the IS has a HUGE upper hand

A mad cat is what, twice as fast as a stalker?????? And has comparable firepower?????

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

1453 R, on 10 March 2015 - 01:13 PM, said:

Why hasn't anyone banned Rossario yet?

>https://mwomercs.com/profile
>click "Forum Profile"
>click "Edit my Profile" on the right under search bar
>click "Ignore preferences" on the right under "My Settings"
>????
>Profit

[Metus regem]

Rossario x Vampire, on 10 March 2015 - 01:12 PM, said:

Since BNC-3M(C) arrival TBR's are not the fear. 66PPFLD does it's job, like also they do on AS7-RS or BNC-3E with AC20+LPL's large PPFLD dealers. Also Timber fear the Crab, cause some crabs still wear twin AC20.

Mine still does, hits like a freight train in CQB too.

[Rossario x Vampire]

1453 R, on 10 March 2015 - 01:13 PM, said:

Why hasn't anyone banned Rossario yet?

Better question: why hasn't anyone challenged Rossario to a duel to see if he can even remotely back up the neverending s*** he talks? I'm not even that great a pilot and I'd do it in a heartbeat here if I wasn't at work.

Someone figure something out on that end, please. And while they're at it, record the video. I'd like to watch.

You can't even handle me in Solo-Random now you wanna die inf front of cameras!? Lol dood, you are just one kamikazee.
Ignore me if you want, but don't brag. Cause... there is neverending loads of such people who will any way face the same end.
Get over it. Dood. Or buy a ticked and take your place in the queue.

Metus regem, on 10 March 2015 - 01:23 PM, said:

Mine still does, hits like a freight train in CQB too.

Nice thing just get rid-off Artemis. Waste of tonnage on a brawler.

Edited by Rossario x Vampire, 10 March 2015 - 01:35 PM.

[Metus regem]

Rossario x Vampire, on 10 March 2015 - 01:28 PM, said:

You can't even handle me in Solo-Random now you wanna die inf front of cameras!? Lol dood, you are just one kamikazee.
Ignore me if you want, but don't brag. Cause... there is neverending loads of such people who will any way face the same end.
Get over it. Dood.




Nice thing just get rid-off Artemis. Waste of tonnage on a brawler.

maybe later, I like the better grouping for the SRM volley

[Bishop Steiner]

Ultimatum X, on 10 March 2015 - 01:03 PM, said:

Its amazing the tactical edge that +20 kph gives.

shame PUGs don't do tactics. Most of these issues only matter when balancing Groups and CW. I like to PUG, but Solo Queue is not the players to balance the game for.

[Rossario x Vampire]

Metus regem, on 10 March 2015 - 01:29 PM, said:

maybe later, I like the better grouping for the SRM volley

Actually I got before an 2xAC20+4xSRM6 Crab... nasty...bloody nasty thing when it's reach close. Personal score was 5 in a row blown to the Moon mechs. But it's a hell of a driving xDDD