56 replies to this topic

[Lynx7725]

Will Pike, on 15 March 2015 - 06:59 PM, said:

I know what you mean. I was in a match about 3 weeks ago with him. He had a slightly different name that time. He just keeps creating new accounts with similar names. At least I got the satisfaction of dispatching him "Timber Wolf" style that time though.

I just find it sad that there exist people like him that gets their rocks off from griefing others in a trivial hobby. He's got serious issues in his life man. I'm just glad I'm not him.

[Will Pike]

He must need a girlfriend...too much time on his hands.

[Serpieri]

Use the grief system from planetside. Penalties are cumulative.

[Armorine]

Say 90 damage and weapons lock for 30 seconds? Then 60 damage and they lock for a minute? After that lock got entire match?

[Rhent]

It is a Free To Play game, the only way to ban Team Killers are to put in a financial/time cost for them to TK:

#1. Require all accounts to have a Credit Card. They don't have to draw funds, but they need a working credit card w/ name and address. Sure a dedicated troll can keep putting in for new credit cards, however eventually they will run out of cards.

#2. Track the MAC Address, it is significantly better than the IP, however freeware allows you to change your MAC address at will, however then again, most trolls are 12 so its unlikely they'll be smart enough to know that fact.

[Rhent]

Ozealot, on 15 March 2015 - 08:45 PM, said:

Are you nutz? Not everybody has a credit card. There is something beyond the USA, mind you.

A lot of MMO's require a credit card to play. It is not a new thing.

[Escef]

Rhent, on 15 March 2015 - 08:52 PM, said:

A lot of MMO's require a credit card to play. It is not a new thing.

And some simply required payment through PayPal or the purchase of time cards. In some countries credit cards are kinda' rare. Germany, for example, is not a very credit card friendly country. Not many stores take them and few people have want or need of them. Hell, the German government is also the one pushing hardest for stricter austerity rules for Greece, the Germans were not happy about the bailout (especially as a lot of the money that paid for it was theirs). It's a cultural thing, and I'd rather not force out large numbers of the fairly sizable German player base.

Edited by Escef, 15 March 2015 - 08:59 PM.

[anonymous161]

I've never liked ff in games, it's far too often in the halo games to get betrayed by team mates because kids these days are more worthless as gamers as ever before.

There should be an easy report button when you highlight a player, but if you wrongfully report them then I can understand you getting penalized.

[Inappropriate018]

Serpieri, on 15 March 2015 - 07:19 PM, said:

Use the grief system from planetside. Penalties are cumulative.

I think this would be a reasonable solution. EXCEPT...

Most people who actually go around team killing aren't going to be discouraged with any sort of penalties. However, I still think this is a reasonable solution that might possibly help cut down on friendly fire due to poor aim.
Though, that being said, it has the ability to be abused, like all anti-TK measures proposed thus far.

[GumbyC2C]

Intentional TKs are very rare in my experience. There is no great need for anything more than recording and reporting it.

[kf envy]

Escef, on 15 March 2015 - 05:11 PM, said:

I think accounts should be auto-flagged for immediate review under 2 conditions:

1: Team damage equals or exceeds twice their used mech's Alpha during the course of a match (we've all had that perfect Alpha lined up, fired, and watched in horror as a friendly mech dashed in and took the whole thing in his backside, but something like that should not be happening twice in a match).

and/or

2. Committed a minimum of 1 team kill each in at least 2 consecutive matches.

I don't trust a machine or blanket policy to just lock down someone's account, weird stuff happens. But flagging the account for review by an actual human being seems the best option.

something like this i agree with.

[Escef]

Ozealot, on 15 March 2015 - 09:19 PM, said:

As chance would have it I'm from germany. That might explain my attitude.

Spent 2 years there while in the US Army, so I'm aware of the German aversion to credit cards.

[Fate 6]

And what about those times when someone just comes at you and you defend yourself and win? I had a guy try to TK me earlier and I killed him before he could kill me. Should I get punished for that? It kinda becomes a game of he said she said in terms of who shot first, but the point stands, is self defense a thing?

EDIT: I should say the safe choice would be to just say "hey, let him TK you" but I want to play the game, and if I know I'm a better pilot and can survive the TKer and remove him from my team, isn't it in my entire team's best interest for me to defend myself?

Edited by Fate 6, 15 March 2015 - 11:04 PM.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Really it can be annoying but I rarely see TKers in solo. A hell of a lot less than a couple years back. The whole TK thing is a mountain out of a molehill really.
PGI does a decent job of controlling the trolls out there so I see no reason to change things. Best policy is to deal with them on the launch pad. If you see some bozo firing on a teammate give them an alpha greeting yourself. They are quickly dispatched and you can move on to the game.
I have never been in trouble for that and only queried once. I explained my actions and got an OK dude back. The guys at PGI who deal with that are a great bunch.

[Insects]

Its really just the one repeat offender in the game who keeps creating accounts with a similar themed name.
Mental issues. Either he gets bored and goes away or something automated needs to be in place to autoban so damage is limited.

Perhaps reflect team damage back on the player for the cadet bonus period so that:
- They learn shooting teammates is a negative thing.
- New accounts cant intentionally teamkill/leg, they will need to invest time before attempting a teamkill spree.
- Established accounts arent affected and friendly fire mechanic can continue.

[Joseph Mallan]

Ozealot, on 15 March 2015 - 05:41 PM, said:

- the "reported for playing drunk"-button

This a commendable trait and should be applauded.

[EvilCow]

After a teamkill the player should be tagged as "grey" (remembering UO...) for 2 minutes or until "forgiven" by the victim. Grey players would be valid targets.

Accidental kills will be recognized by the team and have no consequences (they are trying to win the game).

[Mudhutwarrior]

There isn't a whole lot of people on the short bus and they get helmets for a reason. In time they will get bored and get back to torturing small animals or join high competitive teams and synch into solo.

Same type of people and not that hard to deal with.

Let it go.

[Smith Gibson]

Lynx7725, on 15 March 2015 - 06:54 PM, said:

Will Pike: Yeah I was in the match with you, on the opposite side. Even got a screenshot of your death.

Reported and a few hours later the GM came back and said dealt with. Which I believe, but I also believe that it won't solve the problem with this particular joker.

Why? Because he had been using slightly different names in the last few weeks. He was using a Trial Banshee in the match with Will Pike. It's fairly obvious that he's trolling us by creating and recreating accounts and taking trial mechs to grief players.

Look at it from PGI's perspective. How are you going to pre-ban someone, without appearing discriminatory?

Hardware bans are not difficult to do unless you are PGI apparently. They have had almost three years to come up with a system that does more than threaten to ban the victim for complaining.

Yes, there are ways around hardware bans, but saying that a small portion of griefers will find a way around it so it's not worth doing is just insulting to the legitimate customers.

[Harime Nui]

No... until there will be a displayed warning like "missile warning" with such content:

- Warning! You, "bumdass" walk into freindly firing line!

Edited by Harime Nui, 16 March 2015 - 04:11 AM.