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#141 Johnny Z

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Posted 17 March 2015 - 10:16 PM

View PostGroxGlitch, on 17 March 2015 - 04:46 PM, said:

Hey!
Hey guys!
I know exactly how to fix the Clans!
Make all of the clan weapons, engines, and other internals exactly identical to their Inner Sphere counterparts! This way here, everything is generic and equal and balanced and there is absolutely no room for QQ!

*beat*

...no?
Didn't think so.

All sarcasm aside, the repeated nerfs of the Clans have been utterly ridiculous. How many times do we have to smack 'ol Kerensky in the face with the Nerfhammer before somebody decides enough is enough? I'm not going to sit here and go through the list and rhetoric of the whole thing, because several people have done this already, but I will say this.

I own a few Clan mechs. I'm also a rather solid Clan player; I prefer both the lore and the mech design. In spite of this almost blind loyalty, I've found myself as of late, when not in CW, going back to IS mechs because they're simply more fun to play. I've pulled out equivalent if not better numbers in my 2ERLL RVN-3L than in my TBR's, and trust me I run a variety of different builds in them. On top of this, I'm usually just screwing around in the RVN, whereas I'm bringing my 100% A-game maximum tryhard to the TBR matches.

Yes, I'm aware this isn't the most objective, scientific way to weigh in on a point, but said points have been beaten to death already, hence opinion. As far as I'm concerned, the Clans are already inferior in a wide variety of situations to equivalent IS mechs. We don't have the PPFLD ballistics the IS has, nor the LRM capabilities. We run hotter than the Mojave in the middle of a summer heat wave. The majority of our chassi range from subpar at best, to unplayably awful at worst (and let me point out that this last absolutely pathetic attempt at quirking the Clan mechs was a joke, and actually NERFED both the Adder and the Summoner! Great work lads. All that's demonstrated here is that PGI still doesn't know the first bleeding thing about game balance). Our only viable weapons systems are our lasers, kinda, and our Gauss (and SRMs, depending on the chassis).

So, the majority of our weapons are worthless. The majority of our chassis are worthless. Yeah, more nerfs definitely sound in order. Not even going to go into the whole Wave 3 bait-'n'-switch thing here, that was just magnificent.

Overall? Enough QQ. Stop sitting here from the other side of the table, whining perpetually that we're overpowered just because we're gaining ground (when, as Gyrok pointed out, we're really NOT at this point) and come try things from our point of view. Join a dedicated Clan faction for a month or two, see how fun it really is to play an EasyBake Oven sophisticated top of the line OmniMech.


I didnt read this wall of text but I think I got the gist.

The answer is: "Sorry not everyone wants to pilot a Storm Crow"

Giving players the option to pilot something other than a Storm Crow is adding diverisity to the game, not taking it away.

Oh and you being a solid player in a Clan mech isnt saying much. My grandma could be a solid player in a Clan mech and my Mom would be awsome. LOL If you think I am kidding, think about CSSRM's for a moment.

You want to put away the Man diapers and have a challenge. Try fighting Clan mechs in a Commando. Then come back here let everyone know how it went. Be honest.

Edited by Johnny Z, 17 March 2015 - 10:30 PM.


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Posted 17 March 2015 - 10:51 PM

I am not against punishment for a Clan XL side torso destruction. But I feel that a critical Hit system should be added for all engines not just clan XLs. IS and Clan ...Say for instance you lose your outer armor plates and are down to the internal structure , a critical hit sysem needs to be put in place when armor is mangled off internal structure should not massivley defend against directed hits it is just to support the weight and frame of the mech and offer light protection and mounting points for weapons systems and armor.

Edited by SaltBeef, 17 March 2015 - 10:52 PM.


#143 Xetelian

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Posted 17 March 2015 - 10:56 PM

View PostJohnny Z, on 17 March 2015 - 10:16 PM, said:

I didnt read this wall of text but I think I got the gist.

The answer is: "Sorry not everyone wants to pilot a Storm Crow"

Giving players the option to pilot something other than a Storm Crow is adding diverisity to the game, not taking it away.

Oh and you being a solid player in a Clan mech isnt saying much. My grandma could be a solid player in a Clan mech and my Mom would be awsome. LOL If you think I am kidding, think about CSSRM's for a moment.

You want to put away the Man diapers and have a challenge. Try fighting Clan mechs in a Commando. Then come back here let everyone know how it went. Be honest.



I don't feel the IS are as weak as you claim.

I don't think CSSRMs are as strong as you make them out to be.

I fight clan mechs in commandos spiders jenners atlases highlanders all in the same day because I get bored with driving same mech twice and now that quirks are ramping up for IS the gap is much closer than Wave 1 release which was insanity.

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Posted 17 March 2015 - 11:17 PM

View PostJetfire, on 17 March 2015 - 07:58 AM, said:

How is any penalty short of immediate death nerfing Clans in comparison to IS?

I would much rather see the proposed penalties added to clans along with an overall heat scale penalty for all mechs rather than introduce tech to buff IS mechs.


So when an IS mech takes a crit shot to the engine, they get reduced speed and heat scale, as well?
=)

Seriously, though. I'm going to switch back to IS at the end of this contract. This is getting absolutely out of control. My 6LL stalker is collecting dust..

Edited by DivideByZer0, 17 March 2015 - 11:18 PM.


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Posted 17 March 2015 - 11:23 PM

I would also just like to note that the fact people are complaining bitterly about a speed nerf must mean it would actually do enough since barely anybody complained when the pitiful 20% heatsink penalty was implemented.

#146 Nayru

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Posted 17 March 2015 - 11:46 PM

Speed is life, to an extent, and part of it may be that while our mediums/heavies are crazy fast, our lights are horribly slow as is, and our assaults walking toasters that are already asking to be ST'd as is.

#147 Davegt27

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Posted 18 March 2015 - 12:15 AM

I like the OP idea

Another solution would be stop crying about clan side torso


#148 PitchBlackYeti

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Posted 18 March 2015 - 12:24 AM

Personally I think that the speed loss and heat from losing a torso would be logical, immersive and I like it. BUT at this point of balance in-game it would have to be compensated somehow, preferably with more significant quirks for the poor clan chassis or unpopular omnipods. For example, HBR and KFX without ECM omnipod are mediocre at best, if not crappy. KFX at least has some firepower options in the other RA choices but in the HBR it's really a no-brainer to pick the ECM LT because it has the best hardpoints AND ecm.

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Posted 18 March 2015 - 12:27 AM

Either implement engine critical hit for all mechs, or none.

#150 Vassago Rain

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Posted 18 March 2015 - 01:36 AM

Always vote in favor of clan nerfing.

Upboat if you love it when Gyrok complains.

#151 Joseph Mallan

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Posted 18 March 2015 - 01:39 AM

View PostGyrok, on 17 March 2015 - 05:39 AM, said:

Instead of nerfing clans into oblivion (shades of the victor nerf back in the day) and offering single digit quirks as a consolation prize...I have a suggestion, please hear me out.

I think that rather than piss off a large number of the people playing clans, why not bring in the LFEs (http://www.sarna.net..._Engine_-_Light) for the IS?

This would basically stop all the crying about engines, it would also have to come with some drawbacks as well. Quirks on the IS side would need to be adjusted, heavily, without doubt. However, this offers an option that allows mechs to be on roughly equal footing. As the timeline advances, this tech would come about in the primary wave of IS Omnimechs anyway, so why not offer it as an available option now?

I think the way this should work would be that if you equip a LFE into your battlemech, you should have the endo/ferro slots locked. For the sake of grins and giggles, you can turn those off/on, but you cannot dictate where the slots are taken up. That way, you get a pseudo-omnimech that would allow IS to have similar functionality choice versus the Clans (which would still be unable to change engines, at all...).

Thoughts?

Instead of Nerfing Clan Engines fix the engine crit system to fit the CBT Universe. Engine hits generate extra heat. .05 Heat per second for a single hit and 0.1 per second for two hits. That would go for both Techs Clan and Inner Sphere. Done problem solved.

#152 CyclonerM

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Posted 18 March 2015 - 04:36 AM

View PostMystere, on 17 March 2015 - 09:31 PM, said:


When the whole intent is to nerf the Clans into the ground ...

I'm telling you, it's the handiwork of the decades long anti-Clan Crusade. And so far they are winning.



Because PGI aka ComStar is on their side <_<

View PostVassago Rain, on 18 March 2015 - 01:36 AM, said:

Always vote in favor of clan nerfing.

Upboat if you love it when Gyrok complains.

What a couple of perfectly reasonable arguments! :rolleyes:

View PostJoseph Mallan, on 18 March 2015 - 01:39 AM, said:

Instead of Nerfing Clan Engines fix the engine crit system to fit the CBT Universe. Engine hits generate extra heat. .05 Heat per second for a single hit and 0.1 per second for two hits. That would go for both Techs Clan and Inner Sphere. Done problem solved.

This. It would still impact Clans more as it would include the side torso penalty, but it would be fairer overall. With the added bonus of giving MGs and LBXs better importance as crit seekers ;)

#153 Karl Streiger

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Posted 18 March 2015 - 04:54 AM

View PostCyclonerM, on 18 March 2015 - 04:36 AM, said:

Because PGI aka ComStar is on their side <_<

You should praise Blake that its ComStar and not ME!

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Posted 18 March 2015 - 05:15 AM

View PostJohnny Z, on 17 March 2015 - 10:16 PM, said:

I didnt read this wall of text but I think I got the gist.

The answer is: "Sorry not everyone wants to pilot a Storm Crow"

Giving players the option to pilot something other than a Storm Crow is adding diverisity to the game, not taking it away.

Oh and you being a solid player in a Clan mech isnt saying much. My grandma could be a solid player in a Clan mech and my Mom would be awsome. LOL If you think I am kidding, think about CSSRM's for a moment.

You want to put away the Man diapers and have a challenge. Try fighting Clan mechs in a Commando. Then come back here let everyone know how it went. Be honest.


Do go back and re-read my post, because from your reply you misread pretty much everything I posted. And I mean the whole thing, because you'll find I actually addressed most of your points there, perhaps indirectly, but I did.

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Posted 18 March 2015 - 05:45 AM

Does anyone know how to block people on this forum? Johnny Z's posts are so absurdly trollish that they actually make me physically angry anytime i read one, and its kinda hard to not reply to his stupidity - but feeding trolls just encourages them. Id really rather just never see the posts.. anyone?

#156 Karl Streiger

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Posted 18 March 2015 - 05:48 AM

Simple - Edit Profile - Ignore Settings

Anyhow - if words hurt you than you should take this cheap leassons in temper controll.

Because - i don't get angry about your signature either

#157 Lily from animove

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Posted 18 March 2015 - 05:51 AM

View PostWidowmaker1981, on 18 March 2015 - 05:45 AM, said:

Does anyone know how to block people on this forum? Johnny Z's posts are so absurdly trollish that they actually make me physically angry anytime i read one, and its kinda hard to not reply to his stupidity - but feeding trolls just encourages them. Id really rather just never see the posts.. anyone?


click profile --> Forum profile --> Edit my profile --> "Ignore" preferences


View PostKarl Streiger, on 18 March 2015 - 05:48 AM, said:

Simple - Edit Profile - Ignore Settings

Anyhow - if words hurt you than you should take this cheap leassons in temper controll.

Because - i don't get angry about your signature either



its more for saving time by not reading some peoples posts or even have to scroll across them, because they are a simple waste of time.

Edited by Lily from animove, 18 March 2015 - 05:52 AM.


#158 EvilCow

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Posted 18 March 2015 - 05:54 AM

This 20% speed reduction should have been implemented since beginning, nobody would have complained.

#159 Gyrok

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Posted 18 March 2015 - 05:56 AM

View PostEvilCow, on 18 March 2015 - 05:54 AM, said:

This 20% speed reduction should have been implemented since beginning, nobody would have complained.


lolwut?

#160 CyclonerM

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Posted 18 March 2015 - 05:57 AM

View PostEvilCow, on 18 March 2015 - 05:54 AM, said:

This 20% speed reduction should have been implemented since beginning, nobody would have complained.

At the beginning the Nerfhammer had just started..

There would have been less complaints, i agree, but if after that, PGI nerfed the weapon stats as they did, AND raised the ERMLs heat, etc. AND overquirked the IS 'Mechs WHILE giving Clan 'Mechs generally pretty low quirks to "compensate" the overall situation would hardly be any different. We would still complain.

Edited by CyclonerM, 18 March 2015 - 05:59 AM.






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