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[LordKnightFandragon]

Yup, the 2AC5, MPL build is a nice one. Another 2kill, 650+ dmg game haha. JUst show up, see a mech, hold down fire, and wait...lol.

4x CERPPC warhawk on the other hand..... dat velocity...dat damage, dat heat...omg...

[Bishop Steiner]

Roadkill, on 26 March 2015 - 04:41 PM, said:

As Bishop said... at this point by the time I die I'm missing an arm, most of the armor (if not all) on all three torsos, and I'm pretty much spent. Doesn't matter if they take an XL or the CT at that point... I've given all I had to give.

Thus, is the beginning of wisdom, grasshopper!

[Sarlic]

Yep and we got a new standard formed. Zeus slapped with 3 LL and some missiles.

That is the one i regulary see. Saw not much other builds.

Edited by Sarlic, 27 March 2015 - 02:14 AM.

[Anjian]

Well I managed to get an 828 damage game on my 9S, using 2 LPL and 3 MPL. Ironically, this was the one variant I didn't like, well, at first. I managed to clock two 4 kill games (survived but ran out of enemy to shoot) with my other Zeus using 2 AC5, ML.

[Spr1ggan]

Roadkill, on 26 March 2015 - 04:49 PM, said:

My Zeus 6S works very well for me. I use it as mid-range brawl support to help protect the XL, but the right arm makes a great shield even stripped down to 20 armor.

The 6T is tough. I run 3 x LRM-5 with Artemis and 3 Large Lasers. But it's still not as good as either of the other variants, at least in my opinion.

I was running the T as a brawler and for the life of me couldn't get a team in solo that would move. The camping was extreme, the camping was real. So I essentially got bored and yolo suicide charged someone each time hoping to get at least 1 kill before going down.

[Mike McSullivan]

my experience with the Zeus, as much as i want to like them, is very negative. At first i thought: nice, very variable Hardpoints, ok´ish quirks, lets give it a try. After ~10 rounds in all 3 variants im stuck at a K/D of ~1. Im still waiting for one single match with a "klick". I dont know what to do with them. The sidetorsi are damage-magnets (so i loose the mainweapons faster then i could shot a 3rd time).
I hear/read people say that Zeus are very tanky. not for me.
right now im using a
3SRM6+LP+2ML
2LP+2MPL+SRM6
Gauss+4ML+SRM6
(* all with Range5 modules, STD engine@64kph)


frustrating...

Edited by Mike McSullivan, 27 March 2015 - 04:38 AM.

[Rhaythe]

I know this is a Zeus thread, but gonna drag the Enforcer into it since I haven't touched my Zeus yet. Is it just me, or is the 5P garbage? I love the other two, but I can't for the life of me find a decent build for the 5P.

[FupDup]

Rhaythe, on 27 March 2015 - 05:07 AM, said:

I know this is a Zeus thread, but gonna drag the Enforcer into it since I haven't touched my Zeus yet. Is it just me, or is the 5P garbage? I love the other two, but I can't for the life of me find a decent build for the 5P.

It's the issue of ballistics requiring a high upfront tonnage investment, while mediums are known for being short on tonnage... Mediums are one of the classes that rely more on laser vomit (sometimes missiles) than most others (lights do it to an even greater extent) because of simply not having the weight they need to make truly good use of dakka.

The fact that the only light ballistic we do have (the MG) is poopy doesn't exactly help much.


The most passable builds I could scrape together were:

A. 2 UAC/5 + Small Laser, XL255, like 5.5 tons of ammo, no JJs (to fit that ammo!). It has good damage output and can eat people but runs dry real fast.

B. LPL + UAC/5 + 3 MGs, 2 JJs and I forgot the engine size (XL285?). It had less upfront damage but could fit its payload easier and stay in the fight longer (better ammo efficiency, better backup laser), also more maneuverable. It could still crank out decent dakka with just a single UAC/5 due to the quirks for it. The MGs were just for placebo really.

I once tried LPL + 2 AC/2...but dear flying spaghetti monster it was garbage.

Edited by FupDup, 27 March 2015 - 05:17 AM.

[sneeking]

People miss the point, we really need to get away from this optimal hardpoint meta.

We need to get more into the artwork and the beauty have some style do our killing with some flavour and Zeus does it quite nicely.

Anyone who appreciates cents should appreciate this also.

[Rhaythe]

I've momentarily settled on XL250 w/ AC10, 3MG, ERLL, and that seems to work the best for me at the moment. Not that it's good by any stretch. I'm doing maybe 300 damage a game with it. And good god, did I have to chop some armor off its shield side just for that.

And yeah, the MGs really are more for placebo effect than actual crit-seeking, though I guess that's always up for change if/when they ever give MGs and flamers another balance pass (*crosses fingers*).

Dual UAC5s on this thing are garbage, but that's probably more my playstyle. Not a UAC fan in general. I don't like my weapons not being available when they say they are.

[Bishop Steiner]

FupDup, on 27 March 2015 - 05:12 AM, said:

It's the issue of ballistics requiring a high upfront tonnage investment, while mediums are known for being short on tonnage... Mediums are one of the classes that rely more on laser vomit (sometimes missiles) than most others (lights do it to an even greater extent) because of simply not having the weight they need to make truly good use of dakka.

The fact that the only light ballistic we do have (the MG) is poopy doesn't exactly help much.


The most passable builds I could scrape together were:

A. 2 UAC/5 + Small Laser, XL255, like 5.5 tons of ammo, no JJs (to fit that ammo!). It has good damage output and can eat people but runs dry real fast.

B. LPL + UAC/5 + 3 MGs, 2 JJs and I forgot the engine size (XL285?). It had less upfront damage but could fit its payload easier and stay in the fight longer (better ammo efficiency, better backup laser), also more maneuverable. It could still crank out decent dakka with just a single UAC/5 due to the quirks for it. The MGs were just for placebo really.

I once tried LPL + 2 AC/2...but dear flying spaghetti monster it was garbage.

I always felt Mediums rely on mixed loadouts mores...because they don't have the tonnage for Dakka Vomit,..... but also usually don't have the tonnage for enough heatsinks for true laser vomit. It's why I tend to see less successful medium "boats" than in other weights. I see a lot more 2 weapon system loadouts (dakka-pew/splat-pew) than in any other weight class, as it tends to give that needed balance between punch and endurance.


Lights don't have the tonnage to usually overgun much in the first place, so not an issue.

[Rhaythe]

Bishop Steiner, on 27 March 2015 - 05:43 AM, said:

Lights don't have the tonnage to usually overgun much in the first place, so not an issue.

My six SPL Locust LAUGHS at your statement! It stands tall and...

...hey, wait. Why are you laughing? Stop it. My Locust is laughing, not y... HEY! STOP THAT!!

[Bishop Steiner]

Rhaythe, on 27 March 2015 - 05:23 AM, said:

I've momentarily settled on XL250 w/ AC10, 3MG, ERLL, and that seems to work the best for me at the moment. Not that it's good by any stretch. I'm doing maybe 300 damage a game with it. And good god, did I have to chop some armor off its shield side just for that.

And yeah, the MGs really are more for placebo effect than actual crit-seeking, though I guess that's always up for change if/when they ever give MGs and flamers another balance pass (*crosses fingers*).

Dual UAC5s on this thing are garbage, but that's probably more my playstyle. Not a UAC fan in general. I don't like my weapons not being available when they say they are.

It's my least favored ENF. OK... I actually hate it.

That said, for me, I ran a 250XL, 2 ac5 in the LA; and 1 MPL. Seemed to do OK, just very boring, and sword and board is not my style.

Rhaythe, on 27 March 2015 - 05:44 AM, said:

My six SPL Locust LAUGHS at your statement! It stands tall and...

...hey, wait. Why are you laughing? Stop it. My Locust is laughing, not y... HEY! STOP THAT!!

How a 6 SPL LCT looks....

After my HBK-4G sees it.

[Rhaythe]

Please. Like I'll get close enough for you to use that AC20. I'll be too busy pissing myself and running away in fear.

[Bishop Steiner]

Rhaythe, on 27 March 2015 - 05:48 AM, said:

Please. Like I'll get close enough for you to use that AC20. I'll be too busy pissing myself and running away in fear.

OH, but you forget it has important range and velocity quirk hacks, make sit very strong, u no run away now!

[Rhaythe]

Jokes aside, if you see me and are focusing on me instead of a teammate near me, I've already failed my job as a Locust pilot. Our job is to whittle away at the wounded wildebeests and then run like hell if spotted. Once you understand and accept that your lot in life is to run away, Locust pilots are much better warriors.

Warriors. Of running away. Or something.

[Apnu]

Bishop Steiner, on 24 March 2015 - 07:57 AM, said:

Yup. I have long found them useful. Yes, if one is dropping against LORD or SJR or EMP comp teams, then they become superfluous, but against anyone else? They can be useful.

I have a collection of mechs that I like for solo and group PUGs. I've come to realize that those builds can't compete in 12 man games and CW. The competition is too intense. So I've started dividing my mechs into "for me" and "for CW"

For example:
GRF-3M (4xSRM4A, 2xMPL, XL300, 1JJ) is for CW

WVR-7K (3xSRM6A, 3ML, XL300, 2JJ) is for fun

Now if PGI would only let us prep up multiple drop decks and quickly toggle between them, that would be awesome.

[Bishop Steiner]

Rhaythe, on 27 March 2015 - 05:53 AM, said:

Jokes aside, if you see me and are focusing on me instead of a teammate near me, I've already failed my job as a Locust pilot. Our job is to whittle away at the wounded wildebeests and then run like hell if spotted. Once you understand and accept that your lot in life is to run away, Locust pilots are much better warriors.

Warriors. Of running away. Or something.

Sounds like a Liao thing.

[AlmightyAeng]

Bishop, if you're still not loving the 6T, give this a shot:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...444045322d4a9b8

This is a public queue mech...not so much a CW utility mech.

Even if your team isn't packing LRM's, throwing narcs on ECM mechs is never a bad idea...and chances are SOMEONE has a couple lrms in a pug match.

[Bishop Steiner]

Ghost Badger, on 27 March 2015 - 06:26 AM, said:

Bishop, if you're still not loving the 6T, give this a shot:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...444045322d4a9b8

This is a public queue mech...not so much a CW utility mech.

Even if your team isn't packing LRM's, throwing narcs on ECM mechs is never a bad idea...and chances are SOMEONE has a couple lrms in a pug match.

eh...that's a 6S build, GB. I love my 6S already. It's Spr1ggan that needs a happy 6S. I'm just trying to find a happy 6T, though my SRM6 brawler one i'd OK. (Loses that arm mighty fast though, lol)

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 27 March 2015 - 06:35 AM.