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[Missilemagnet]

Been playing about 2 months now and have noticed that some mechs have the ability to teleport short distances, usually when running, making it impossible to draw a bead on them. I have looked everywhere but cannot find the module that allows this. Is it an ability of only some mechs, like ECM, or can you buy it for any Mech?

[Sniper09121986]

Missilemagnet, on 21 March 2015 - 09:26 AM, said:

Been playing about 2 months now and have noticed that some mechs have the ability to teleport short distances, usually when running, making it impossible to draw a bead on them. I have looked everywhere but cannot find the module that allows this. Is it an ability of only some mechs, like ECM, or can you buy it for any Mech?

That is lag of players with high network latency. You may try to connect via dial-up

[Spike Brave]

Sniper is correct and I'd like to expand on this a bit.Since you stated that you thought is was an ability of the Mech, I'm assuming you may not be familiar with network latency. The simple and quick explanation is that the player who appears to be teleporting has a connection to the game server that takes a long time to communicate. Several things can effect this, but the most common are the speed of the connection (hence sniper suggesting you use dial-up which is very slow) or they are very far from the server. The game servers are in Canada, so a player in Japan would have high latency. Something to know about this situation is that are experiencing similar issues with the game that you see, but it's worse and backwards. You see one mech that teleports because it takes a long time for the server to get information from the player. So the server asks the player's game client, "Hey where are you?" but it takes so long to get an a reply that the mech appears to "jump" to the location it's reporting. What a player with high latency sees is differs in that they are receiving information that is old. Nothing really jumps around, but they are seeing where everything was not where it is. They will have just as much trouble targeting.

The other thing that can happen is a weak connection which causes some of the data to be missing. It can look the same, but usually a server will drop the connection in this case.

Edited by Spike Brave, 21 March 2015 - 10:01 AM.

[Scout Derek]

uh oh...
tp mods?

I WANT

[Rogue Jedi]

just something to add to Spike Brave's explanation,
I used to see this quite frequently when I was playing over WiFi (it made it extremely challenging playing light Mechs on the approximately 1 night in 3 when the problem was evident), changing from a wireless to a wired connection stopped me seeing this with any regularity.

[Banditman]

I'm not sure . . . but I think you guys may have gotten trolled . . . .

[Koniving]

Visual examples of ze teleporting phenomena.

Spoiler

Lag or when there is a DeSync between yourself (or them) and the server.

Around 2 minutes you will see me experience momentary desyncs
Very bad here:

And if the game completely cannot 'fix' your position or theirs due to an extreme case of desync or as PGI calls it 'packetloss'...

What happens and why it happens.

Spoiler

Since the game clients ask for permission from the server and the server authorizes everything (Can I move forward? Yes. Can I go faster? No, you're at your limit), there's a bit of lag always in the game. This is to prevent most hacks from being able to function at all -- something most games and anti-hack programs can't do.

The game compensates by 'predicting' things before they happen and trying to show them to you. Example a fast mech going fast is predictable, it can only turn so fast, etc. But then it suddenly stops and goes forward again....and has lag on top of that. Now your game predicted he'd keep going based on info from the server. Now his game says he stopped and is going in reverse. But the server only just now registered that he stopped. So the server resets his position (confusing the heck otu of him) which also confuses the server... and in turn it tells your game client that his position needs to be corrected...

...Thus, the teleport. It is your game being corrected to where the teleported mech really is on the server, as opposed to where your game thought he was.

Oldest example(s) were with knockdowns. Fall down. Teleport. Stand up.

Spoiler

A demonstration of the game without predictions and how players had to manually counter for it (notice, shooting the air = hits on body part farthest away from where I'm shooting).

Now, at the collision you will notice that my game client says we got caught up on each other and I leaned over the building and started to fall much farther forward than the Server thought was possible. The Hunchback who was launched forward, was also teleported back to where the server thought he should be. So when the correction occurs, it teleports me into position to fix the error.

Banditman, on 21 March 2015 - 12:57 PM, said:

I'm not sure . . . but I think you guys may have gotten trolled . . . .

It's something that you can see in game, a lot, especially with a wireless connection. See post and vids.

[Chuck Jager]

Just get a wifi connection and put your computer next to a microwave. When you want to teleport just hit 5secs on high.

Wifi does have a ton of issues in gaming. The biggest problem is for every time the player is a pain to someone else there are probably 10-20 more times it hits them harder.

As mentioned earlier there are also many other network issues and the many times less common exploits that also can occur.

[B L O O D W I T C H]

Guass usually solves the problem.

[Thunder Child]

It's a quirk of Firestarters. They also have Phase Shift armor which reduces all damage by 90%.

[Stealth Fox]

Chuck YeaGurr, on 23 March 2015 - 07:04 PM, said:

Just get a wifi connection and put your computer next to a microwave. When you want to teleport just hit 5secs on high.
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NOOOO! Don't tell them My secret! The Microwave is suppose to be there for instant warming of snack foods!

[Banditman]

OMG. I want knockdowns back. I had forgotten how big a part of the game they were. Yea, the teleporting sucked, but the gameplay was soooooo much better.

[Chuanhao]

Thunder Child, on 23 March 2015 - 07:36 PM, said:

It's a quirk of Firestarters. They also have Phase Shift armor which reduces all damage by 90%.

Its been upgraded to Trans-Am mode on the Hankyu. Get you Wave 3 before they are oversubscribed.<Joke>

[Johny Rocket]

Would like to add something to the previous posts.
My opinion sometimes it is not from the players end. I get this with some of my faster mechs and I average a 50-60 m/s ping, it appears to go right along with hit reg issues that I have.
I game on a rig built for graphics power with 60mb/s cable Internet using a 3' ethernet cable. I do a lot of CAD and 3D printing, you think MWO stresses your computer try Solidworks.
This all can't be laid off on end users as it appears , for some of us, to be caused by the net in general or their servers.

The other day I was on one of the bridges in River City fighting some guys down below in the water, I magically teleported right down to them, I popped the Crow in front of me with multiple shots of ml before they got me and my dmg score was 1 point.

Edited by Tractor Joe, 11 April 2015 - 09:24 AM.

[Appogee]

My ping jumped to 333 tonight.

It's because PGI are too cheap to buy European or Asiatic servers, despite those of us who have spent more than a thousand dollars on the game but don't live in the US.

I will gladly swap my ''teleporting module" for a decent ping and the opportunity to have all my damage actually hit where I am aiming/leading it to.

[Keira RAVEN McKenna]

Chuck YeaGurr, on 23 March 2015 - 07:04 PM, said:

Just get a wifi connection and put your computer next to a microwave. When you want to teleport just hit 5secs on high.

Wifi does have a ton of issues in gaming. The biggest problem is for every time the player is a pain to someone else there are probably 10-20 more times it hits them harder.

As mentioned earlier there are also many other network issues and the many times less common exploits that also can occur.

WOW!!! Thanks... you just cleared up a MAJOR issues we've been having with net lockups and gaming lag. The WiFi was sitting on top of the Microwave! Just had the man of the house wire up a power point inside a cupboard and relocate the Microwave there.

Edited by Keira RAVEN McKenna, 11 April 2015 - 04:31 PM.

[Insects]

Missilemagnet, on 21 March 2015 - 09:26 AM, said:

Been playing about 2 months now and have noticed that some mechs have the ability to teleport short distances, usually when running, making it impossible to draw a bead on them. I have looked everywhere but cannot find the module that allows this. Is it an ability of only some mechs, like ECM, or can you buy it for any Mech?

Move to Australia.
Not all fun and giggles though it works both ways.
Gets you teleported into teammates for leg destruction, stuck on walls when JJ then slammed into ground at max velocity, line up a shot then suddenly pointing the other direction at a rock.

[Sandersson Jankins]

joelmuzz, on 11 April 2015 - 05:35 PM, said:

Move to Australia.
Not all fun and giggles though it works both ways.
Gets you teleported into teammates for leg destruction, stuck on walls when JJ then slammed into ground at max velocity, line up a shot then suddenly pointing the other direction at a rock.

Besides certain laws (won't mention for fear of a shitstorm), the ONLY thing keeping me from moving to 'Straya or Kiwiland after school is lag in online games.

God, what does that say about me? Good things, surely.

[Chocowolf Sradac]

on a serious note it's all about the network connection. Having players with high pings especially if they are driving light mechs will do that. Already bad hit reg on some mechs doesn't help the issue if you got really high ping players that jump around and you keep shooting where they are not actually there.

This game is pretty bad about it

Edited by Chocowolf, 11 April 2015 - 09:09 PM.

[CptGier]

Missilemagnet, on 21 March 2015 - 09:26 AM, said:

Been playing about 2 months now and have noticed that some mechs have the ability to teleport short distances, usually when running, making it impossible to draw a bead on them. I have looked everywhere but cannot find the module that allows this. Is it an ability of only some mechs, like ECM, or can you buy it for any Mech?

Do you have a bad PC with really bad FPS? I had that very issue with light mechs on my PC, getting 20 FPS a pop.

But, playing on my dad's PC which gets 30-40+ FPS, the issue went away and I have dropped more then a handfull of light mechs in the last week.