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[Kilo 40]

MechWarrior0975971, on 25 March 2015 - 01:25 AM, said:

I don't even mind buying them, its playing them.

see, that right there is the wrong attitude to have. Don't buy a mech unless you plan on playing that mech. that after all is the entire point of the game. you can call it "the grind" if you want, but I prefer to call it "playing mechwarrior online". it's the entire reason for getting the mech in the first place.

you're not going to buy your way into being a good player. thinking that way is just going to lose you a lot of money.

[DivineEvil]

kesmai, on 25 March 2015 - 02:16 AM, said:

Well, you spent money. Quite a lot for a game. Now you feel entitled to avoid the grind everyone before you, paying customer or freebooter has had. That's ok with me.

let me just add the fact that this is a game that needs to be played to be a even mediocre player. A few hundred matches and several 'good' games does mean nothing, when you are pitted against players thAt have 10000+ games on their accounts. This does not mean those who play the most are the best, but the difference is considerable. That in mind the 30 to 40 matches to master a mech are nothing but a warm up and training to learn the chassis.

Heh, speding $120 to buy 6+ mechs only to become unwilling to play them... something I can't wrap my head around really...

[Jetfire]

I would recommend playing the chassis to master them, don't pay. I usually find that the process of mastering a chassis over the course of a week or so allows me to learn its ins and outs, paying through that process would diminish the end result for me I think. After a month or so you should have your 12 mechs elited (mastery you can earn as you fight CW) then you can plunge into CW.

I won't argue content is a bit expensive but that to me is the mech, paint, camo and cockpit item pricing. The time to master a chassis is not bad.

[sycocys]

Just going to comments on a few things in the order I remember them -

1 - you are on your 3rd account. So either you were farming the cadet bonus or got 2 accounts banned, if its the latter your prior experience with the game should have led you to knowing this isn't a game you are going to enjoy.

2 - mech mastery has a purpose, that you actually take the time to learn how to pilot a chassis
2b - getting basics in 3 variants only takes 4-6 hours at the most, especially with the 2x bonus.
2c - if you have enough expendable money that you are willing to buy the mastery packs, why are you complaining instead of playing your mastered mechs?

3. gxp is really in a decent place, its a long term goal, or something to exchange that 200k mech xp for

4. you could spend 0 dollars and have fun in CW, it's about teamwork and skill. If you spent 120 and still haven't tried it so you can see what its about and what mechs actually function well in it for you are missing out on 1/2 of the game.

My last comment is that you maybe just didn't take the time to research where you were spending your money in the game and threw it out there at the things that returned the least value for money spent.

[Curccu]

MechWarrior0975971, on 25 March 2015 - 12:42 AM, said:

Not sure if trolling....

indeed...

[Joseph Mallan]

Ghillie Dhu, on 25 March 2015 - 01:01 AM, said:

I look at it this way ... A large scotch is £6 and It takes me ~ 5 mins to consume, 3 large scotches = £18 ... 15-20 mins ...£18 = a med hero bundle .... a bit more than 20 mins fun . . . You spends your cash on stuff you wants ....Simples!

You drink very slowly. I can drink a Long Island Ice Tea Before the waitress makes change!

[Viges]

Kilo 40, on 25 March 2015 - 02:26 AM, said:

I'm saying that you could spend 1000 dollars on the game, but that doesn't make you ready for CW. you need a stable of mechs that you are very comfortable with first, all mastered and with all the modules you need. Only then should you think about CW, AND THEN only if you are in a unit or, if we are lucky, PGI makes CW more open to solo players.

hahaha NO

All you need is 3 doomcrows and a madcat and you are good to go.

[Raggedyman]

CHH Badkarma, on 25 March 2015 - 01:15 AM, said:

To attract new players it would help to have hero mechs be fully elited. That would help new players get acclimated a lot faster and take the pain out of the grind.

Really? You don't think it would just make people complain that hero's are fully pay-to-win and that XP/the skill unlocks are a punishment for people that don't buy the hero mechs?

[Kilo 40]

Viges, on 25 March 2015 - 04:06 AM, said:

hahaha NO

All you need is 3 doomcrows and a madcat and you are good to go.

k.

[Bobzilla]

No matter what you need to grind in this game.

Grind to earn Cbills to buy a mech. Taking too long, buy the mech with money, oh wait, gotta grind for XP now. If the cbill rewards where lined up with xp rewards, by the time you leveled one mech you could buy the next. Even if the xp is just banked till you basic 3.

[NeoCodex]

Ghillie Dhu, on 25 March 2015 - 01:01 AM, said:

I look at it this way ... A large scotch is £6 and It takes me ~ 5 mins to consume, 3 large scotches = £18 ... 15-20 mins ...£18 = a med hero bundle .... a bit more than 20 mins fun . . . You spends your cash on stuff you wants ....Simples!

I look at it this way too. I tend to spend more money on much more silly stuff like skins for my imaginary online robots. Don't even get me started how it looks like when you go out for drinks. I've spent equal worth of full mech packages in just one weekend (often even one good night is enough) just for booze. So whatever makes you feel good, man. It's understandable if your budget is limited and you really want to spend on other games too. But here you gotta commit, and maybe take a leap of faith or just say **** it, for once - I want that. And if you're not a man for that, than it's gonna be tough getting past that.

[Funkmaster Rick]

OP: You're right. MWO has one of the worst grinds in all of modern gaming. Ignore the apologists.

[Lyoto Machida]

Joseph Mallan, on 25 March 2015 - 03:27 AM, said:

You drink very slowly. I can drink a Long Island Ice Tea Before the waitress makes change!

I'm not sure a man of your size should ever be drinking a Long Island Iced Tea (in public).

[Water Bear]

If you don't like the idea of having 6 chassis to master, you could have just bought 3 variants of one chassis.

No offense but buying 6 hero mechs whose chassis you own none of is kind of a strange thing to do. Honestly you probably shouldn't have done that.

From where you stand now, I recommend you take your best hero heavy, preferably a Firebrand, and put 2x gauss on it and grind.

[Water Bear]

Kilo 40, on 25 March 2015 - 02:31 AM, said:

see, that right there is the wrong attitude to have. Don't buy a mech unless you plan on playing that mech. that after all is the entire point of the game. you can call it "the grind" if you want, but I prefer to call it "playing mechwarrior online". it's the entire reason for getting the mech in the first place.

you're not going to buy your way into being a good player. thinking that way is just going to lose you a lot of money.

Agreed. Yes it takes a long time to get enough c-bills to afford a new mech, but since I actually enjoy playing this game I don't mind...

[Revis Volek]

MechWarrior0975971, on 25 March 2015 - 01:25 AM, said:

I started with my stalkers (3rd account, and loved the 3F already)

Mastered the 3F quickly, and then SLOWLY started to try other mechs.

I'm not a real newb.

I now have a mastered Arrow, and Huggin.

All the hero mechs I bought I plan to master.... well most....


My point is, its SLOW....... and I don't like the 3 variants rule....

I think of all my bitching tonight, that's the one thing that is depressing me.


I don't even mind buying them, its playing them.

Every time I buy a mech simply to master the one I want, i'm torn.... "do I master it with MC, or bite the bullet, and grind this thing?"

But I refuse to spend the MC, because that's not paying for something, that's simply paying to NOT do something....

I also struggled with this concept early on in my game life here at MWO. But i came to find out Premium Time is the best way for me to do such a thing. I am getting a bonus on my earrings, I get to play the mech and learn it while getting in some practice(even if it is the PUB queue 9 out of 10 times) and i also spend less money on the Prem Time Via mechs packs, Rewards, Etc, Etc.

But IMO Just buying Premium Time and playing those mechs is the fastest cheapest way to level them. I can earn anywhere from 700-4000 exp in one match. Makes leveling a breeze when each game basically equates to one skill un lock and i can fully elite most mechs in a night of play. But my suggestions would be PREMIUM TIME! if you dont have it already!

Also, just an FYI HERO MECHS ARE OFTEN VERY LACK LUSTER! They are in NO WAY a P2W mechs and give you NO ADVANTAGE (Often the opposite) over the enemy. Mechs like the Ember and Grey Death do nothing other mechs for cbills cannot do better they are often just different like a all energy variant or a chassis or a special set of hardpoints stuff like that. BUt fi you think buying the hero mechs will give you a leg up tech wise you are sadly mistaken.

Also, just because you bought mechs and didn't follow the rules doesn't mean the rules are broken. Yea grinding 3 chassis is a snore fest most the time but thems is the rules.

Edited by DarthRevis, 25 March 2015 - 07:34 AM.

[Cion]

MechWarrior0975971, on 25 March 2015 - 12:37 AM, said:

One of two things IMO need to happen for this game to succeed.

* More GXP (like 5x or 10x)

* Or lose the "3 variants to master"


I recently spent my first money on this game ($120) and got a bunch of mechbays, a mastery pack, and then like 5 or 6 hero mechs while on sale.

After spending my 120 bucks, rather than saying, "sweet, now I can enjoy the game more!" I've been feeling more like "oh god, should I spend another 120 bucks just to master all these mechs???" (My stalker has like 200k xp I could exchange for gxp, but that costs real money)

Probably much more than that, since I would need 2x variants of all the Heros I bought..... so that's once again either real money, or weeks of my life....


I still love this game, but lordie.....

I'm still working to master 4 mechs for CW.


Do You Get Me? Months of playing, and 125 bucks spent, and I STILL cant join CW with any confidence....

I've never done CW.... not once....


Oh and my favorite mech, the Stalker, with like 200k xp..... I cant even buy colors, or camo for.... so I vote a third fix. Let us buy those things with xp....


I'm over it, I erased my whole post three times, cuz I'm just ranting... but forget it, this time Ill just post.


GG

Dude, don't blame the game for your misallocation of resources.

You say you spent $120 on mechs and mastery packs, yet you need to grind. You say you have a Stalker with 200k xp.

Dude, if you wanted to get instant gratification you needed to do this :

Spend $100 on mechs and mastery packs.
Spend $20 on GXP conversion.

BOOM! Instant gratification.

[Torchfire Katayama]

All I can say is... the OP wants pay to win content. I'm absolutely against this. If you don't have the time to spend on the game. why are you playing it? If working on improving your mechs isn't fun, why are you playing them?

[GreyNovember]

CHH Badkarma, on 25 March 2015 - 01:15 AM, said:

To attract new players it would help to have hero mechs be fully elited. That would help new players get acclimated a lot faster and take the pain out of the grind.

Bumping this, as this sounds like a REALLY nice idea.

[Apnu]

MechWarrior0975971, on 25 March 2015 - 12:42 AM, said:

Not sure if trolling....

All F2P games demand one of two things from the player: Time or Money. The business plan basically is to force the player to grind to unlock the game or pay $ to skip the grind and get to the content they want. Its up to the player to decide what the value is for their time.

If you bought a mastery pack, then you got 30 days of PT. Use that and all your heroes to build up a big c-bill stock so you can afford the free mechs needed to master your heroes.

I've spend a good amount of c-bills on the Resistance mechs that were just released, so I'm back to stocking up c-bills in hopes for a KGC sale. My KGC-000(L) languishes with only basics right now.