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[Darian DelFord]

FupDup, on 27 March 2015 - 12:51 PM, said:

You sure you told them? Because I don't personally recall seeing somebody ever actually do that in my matches.

Yup

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

FupDup, on 27 March 2015 - 12:51 PM, said:

You sure you told them? Because I don't personally recall seeing somebody ever actually do that in my matches.

I've told people my plan, and then had them report my position anyway. It wound up getting me killed, instead of getting another couple kills. I was CT cored and trying my best to get them to scatter, and having duly informed my team of my intentions, when suddenly this guy starts telling the other team where I am. He kept it up until an enemy Jager (who was cored out enough that if I'd managed my ambush I'd have one-shot him) used that intel to hunt me down and kill me.

Needless to say I reported the guy.

[Mad Strike]

FupDup, on 27 March 2015 - 12:35 PM, said:

If you don't tell your team your intentions, they can't distinguish between somebody who plans to hunt down the enemy survivors and somebody who only wants to preserve their KDR.

Agreed

[Darian DelFord]

One Medic Army, on 27 March 2015 - 02:09 PM, said:

I see plenty of people do this, except they're sitting in the corner for much longer than necessary, too long. It only takes a minute for the enemy team to spread out. Sitting in the corner shut down, waiting for an enemy mech to show up really does prolong the game un-necessarily. As soon as you're the last guy, they'll start spreading out. Best bet is to wait maybe 30 seconds and then start hunting them back, asking team-mates if any of the survivors are easy targets (open CT/ST, out of ammo, most guns gone, etc...). If you run into an enemy that's got armor everywhere, just break off and try find a more damaged target.

Its really Map Dependent, the time is longer on say River City than it is say on Alpine or Terra

[One Medic Army]

Darian DelFord, on 27 March 2015 - 02:21 PM, said:

Its really Map Dependent, the time is longer on say River City than it is say on Alpine or Terra

True.

If you want to run guerrilla warfare in your light, I'll definitely suggest asking teammates for status info on remaining enemies, both tells them you do plan to fight, and makes it more likely you'll get a kill.

[Apnu]

FupDup, on 27 March 2015 - 12:35 PM, said:

If you don't tell your team your intentions, they can't distinguish between somebody who plans to hunt down the enemy survivors and somebody who only wants to preserve their KDR.

Not necessary. The pilot still "playing" will obviously be moving to flank, or snipe, or surprise. The pilot preserving their KDR will obviously run from any enemy and try to shut down to hide.

The mechwarrior who's dead can either watch and help, be a whiner in chat, or in my case. Say "GG" in chat and quit the game and ready up another mech for another game.

[Darian DelFord]

ROFL Just happened again, in my Panther, 3 mechs beat up on HPG, One chasing me, I ran to the outside hid in a crevice so they would pass me and I could get them in the back and two of my team mates told them where I was.. Mute Dead People ;p

[Apnu]

Darian DelFord, on 27 March 2015 - 02:33 PM, said:

ROFL Just happened again, in my Panther, 3 mechs beat up on HPG, One chasing me, I ran to the outside hid in a crevice so they would pass me and I could get them in the back and two of my team mates told them where I was.. Mute Dead People ;p

Woah, that's a douche move. When a game isn't going my way or I think my PUG team sucks and I can't stand to watch it play out while I'm dead, I just leave. Why be an a**hole?

[Nemesis Duck]

Why not just start feeding the player information and see how they react? If it's a troll, then screenshot and report, otherwise assume people are playing/experimenting/learning/having fun. The majority aren't trolling.

[Side Step]

Jman5, on 27 March 2015 - 02:09 PM, said:

Until PGI institutes some sort of anti-stall mechanic, it is a necessary evil. For every 1 guy that is legitimately shutting down to let the enemy spread, 99 bozos are being sore losers who want to stick it to the other team.

A better solution would be to not lock mechs from launching again if you quit the match early. The mechanic doesn't really add anything to the game. Most of what it does is purposefully slow down everything in the spirit of the free to play model, and to a lesser degree to stop people from repeatedly leaving games until their favorite setup (map/players/etc) shows up. More importantly it creates these scenarios described in the OP and following posts.

As is obvious in this thread, everyone sees it differently, and we will never be able to agree on it. Just consider this; if mechs weren't locked in games for the full duration of the match, we wouldn't have these issues.

Proposed solution: mechs should only be locked for ~5 minutes after the match has begun, to both prevent people from immediately leaving if they get the wrong map, and to let last survivors play without the rest of the team shouting at you to charge in and die asap to unlock their mech.


...I still think dead people should be muted though.

Edited by Side Step, 27 March 2015 - 05:03 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

dubplate, on 27 March 2015 - 12:47 PM, said:

While I'm sure it wouldn't change most of the time this happens, we do have to realize this game is played online and there's a chance they are unable to communicate.

if you can control your mech, you somehow can't type in team chat?

[1453 R]

Actually, unlocking a 'Mech five minutes after match start sounds like a great compromise. By that point anyone who legitimately dies in the match should have already crossed that mark - and if you're consistently dead in under five minutes, git bedder - but it still throws a wrench in the AFK farmers' plans. Well, as much of a wrench as timed lockouts have ever thrown at those guys.

I am curious, though, if the lockout is part of the same code that lets you earn match rewards for matches you die and quit out on. We'd have to ask Piranha if reducing/eliminating the timed lockouts would also reduce/eliminate match rewards for matches your 'Mech bails early on. Admittedly if that IS the case it needs fixing pronto, but this might actually be a positive step forward in this particular nauseatingly endless debate. Why not give it a shot? Someone shoot up Russ' Twitter and see if he responds to it.

[Chuck Jager]

If the whole team is wiped and the lone sniper who hid in an ecm bubble is at 90% and poked poorly with 20max alpha, my intentions are sometimes a little skewed. I would like to feel the need to apologize, but I dont.

[Ted Wayz]

If you want people to be respectful to you, then you need to be respectful to them. I will never rat out the last man if they are still playing, either by empirical evidence or by communication. The second you think wasting my time is your right...well then I feel it is my right not to have my time wasted.

And usually everyone agrees with me.

[Yokaiko]

That lone light is ineffective and slowing down getting into the next game, I don't care.

[Impossible Wasabi]

Dead people can't talk, is a good enough rule.

[WarZ]

Darian DelFord, on 27 March 2015 - 12:33 PM, said:

When the light mech is the last one standing, and he goes to a conerner to let the enemy team spread out so he can try to pick them off LET HIM DO IT> he is not trying to save his KDR, he is not shut down (unless he needs to).

I am so tired of trying to let them spread out and my own team mates givng them my loc. If you want to play another game quit out and load another mech

/rant off

So F'ing true.

Ted Wayz, on 27 March 2015 - 05:54 PM, said:

If you want people to be respectful to you, then you need to be respectful to them. I will never rat out the last man if they are still playing, either by empirical evidence or by communication. The second you think wasting my time is your right...well then I feel it is my right not to have my time wasted.

And usually everyone agrees with me.

BullS***, not everyone agrees. Just the few butt hurt types who usually die early. Thats the worst kind of players.

[Averen]

If you're the last light alive, then you've usually done something wrong and tried soloing somewhere. The whole 'shutting down to lead the enemy spread' thing is already pure egoism, since it's just wasting everyones time to give you some tiny chance to play hero.


Make your play while your team is alive or don't. Nobody minds a retreating battle, but everything else is just pushing it for no good reason.

[Funkmaster Rick]

If it's a full-round disconnect or a coward, I see no shame in it. If they're hunting, then they are fierce and deserve silence.

[EgoSlayer]

1453 R, on 27 March 2015 - 05:14 PM, said:

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I am curious, though, if the lockout is part of the same code that lets you earn match rewards for matches you die and quit out on. We'd have to ask Piranha if reducing/eliminating the timed lockouts would also reduce/eliminate match rewards for matches your 'Mech bails early on.
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It's not tied to the match rewards. It's an anti C-Bill farming mechanic that was added in closed beta. In early closed beta players could drop in a mech, quit, drop in a new match, quit, drop in a new match quit, etc. Yes they only got the match win/loss rewards plus any salvage if the team managed to win anyways, but they could do 100+ drops an hour with no effort and earn a ton of C-Bills. It was also easily scripted so people could farm C-bills all day while they were at work. The lockout stops that kind of farming.

Edited by EgoSlayer, 27 March 2015 - 08:30 PM.