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[Gyrok]

Bush Hopper, on 28 March 2015 - 12:10 AM, said:

True. However, it is fun to see then..1. complains about long queue times 2. PGI trying to press puggers into it (see event)3. Spending resources on a mode which caters to a small minority.

As I recall, the last data showed that 48% of matches were group queue in the pubs. To top that off, more than 60% of players are in a unit (by the last count).

Some minority...what you are saying is the equivalent of making the assertion that muslims are a minority in Saudi Arabia.

Edited by Gyrok, 28 March 2015 - 12:19 AM.

[Kilo 40]

Gyrok, on 28 March 2015 - 12:19 AM, said:

As I recall, the last data showed that 48% of matches were group queue in the pubs. To top that off, more than 60% of players are in a unit (by the last count).

source please.

[Gyrok]

Kilo 40, on 28 March 2015 - 12:21 AM, said:

source please.

I admit the data is old. This is from likely...beginning last year,,,? Right after they split the queues...

[Kilo 40]

Gyrok, on 28 March 2015 - 12:23 AM, said:

I admit the data is old. This is from likely...beginning last year,,,? Right after they split the queues...

The numbers i remember, from about that time, showed 85% of matches were pug drops, with half of the remaining 15% in groups of 2.

[STEF_]

desolator777, on 27 March 2015 - 08:59 PM, said:

I don't even need to elaborate on this. EVERYONE in game is on the same page with this. Make the premade groups fight premade groups and have the public random groups fight public random groups. You know, how EVERY OTHER MODERN GAME DOES IT! Most versions of Halo do that. Starcraft II does that. I can't actually think of a game that doesn't do that.

I'm not joining some arrogant, "we're better than you" unit to have a pissing contest that make professional wrestling look civil. I am against all units/guilds/clans in every game. I absolutely refuse to join one. But guess what that means! I get to lose every single faction match. 100% of them are against some premade jerks with overpowered mechs and my random group has zero change of winning. Every single time I have the highest match score by about a lightyear but I get stuck with new people who have no idea what they're doing. Even with pros that have been playing forever, we just lost in 100 seconds to a 12 ice ferret rush. What the heck am I supposed to do about that? They're basically cheating. They're ganging up in a premade group to use some exploit strategy. Put a stop to it or there's no reason for normal people to even play the game anymore. I am not going to sit here and lose every single match because the developers can't figure out that premades should be blocked from playing PUGs.

Gee, anyone else maybe have a similar viewpoint? I wonder.

Reading your post, YOU seem immature and arrogant and jerk. And yes, also you wrote "I'm better than those noobs who don't have any idea" .
Teams are OP, please nerf teamwork, please PGI!
Ops...no.... it's not the teamwork you are whining about!!! We are cheating!!! We use exploit!!

Wow.

But I'm pretty happy to see in CW that qq ppl like you are less than 1%.

Group Grow up.

[Sarevos]

Stefka Kerensky, on 28 March 2015 - 12:36 AM, said:

Reading your post, YOU seem immature and arrogant and jerk. And yes, also you wrote "I'm better than those noobs who don't have any idea" .
Teams are OP, please nerf teamwork, please PGI!
Ops...no.... it's not the teamwork you are whining about!!! We are cheating!!! We use exploit!!

Wow.

But I'm pretty happy to see in CW that qq ppl like you are less than 1%.

Group Grow up.

Lol I hate the Teams are op attack AND sarcastic defense

fact is we have in game chat use it that goes for pugs AND teams

Pug? you have 11 other people who you depend on for success get over it just tell them what youre looking at

Team? If you do not include SirNerdleroy321 he will be a hindrance or at the very least ineffective to your tactics and you will be essentially down a man just tell him wtf youre planning

both of you need to learn to get along

We are all atleast 25+ here everyone should act like adults lol. You are not 5 stop stooping to childish finger pointing or name calling we are not just Manchildren(EDIT Or womanchildren?) play frickkin nice please lest someone have to break out the paddle

Edited by Sarevos, 28 March 2015 - 12:46 AM.

[Weeny Machine]

Kilo 40, on 28 March 2015 - 12:21 AM, said:

source please.

I second this. Those data must be truly old and most likely from when CW was new and people tested it. Else threads with complains like "25 min wait time" and similiar wouldn't exist:Just for the record: I do not really care. I have fun in puglandia simply because I cannot be bothered to queue for that long to have some fun.

Edited by Bush Hopper, 28 March 2015 - 01:05 AM.

[Sarevos]

Bush Hopper, on 28 March 2015 - 01:03 AM, said:

I second this. Those data must be truly old and most likely from when CW was new and people tested it. Else threads with complains like "25 min wait time" and similiar wouldn't exist:

it probably is but it does depend on the location or what youre doing defending or attacking i watched an entire "the universe" episode while my 7man waited to drop in attack then i think we just decided to go get beers lol

[Kenyon Burguess]

desolator777, on 27 March 2015 - 10:27 PM, said:

If I sent in 12 max speed spiders (the 9.72mil build) with dual mediums and jump jets split 6 and 6 on the gates, nothing can stop that. It's an exploit. 156kph is far too fast to hit with anything reliably and it puts the spiders out of range of most weapon sets within seconds. Ice ferrets are twice as heavily armed and armored and almost as fast. You bring 12 of those and 12 assaults with SRMs wouldn't be able to stop them from blowing up a generator or two. We killed them 12-2 obviously but they took out all generators before the firepower could stop them. Assault mechs are too slow to do this effectively so it's simply cheating.

we stop light rushes all the time with coordinated direct fire. We also stop assault, heavy, and medium rushes using the same tactics. I pug cw every day, and once you learn to listen and play with others you win. Its your choice to sabotage yourself in a community warfare part of the game. You wont find sympathy and understanding by declaring how much you hate community participation.

[Sarevos]

Geist Null, on 28 March 2015 - 01:24 AM, said:

we stop light rushes all the time with coordinated direct fire. We also stop assault, heavy, and medium rushes using the same tactics. I pug cw every day, and once you learn to listen and play with others you win. Its your choice to sabotage yourself in a community warfare part of the game. You wont find sympathy and understanding by declaring how much you hate community participation.

Yea this lets actually talk to each other in CW instead of radio silence you dont have to care about the guys life story but you should probably pay attention to "SWEET BABY JESUS THERES SO MANY OH GOD THE HORROR" *CAW CAW CAW*

[Virgil Greyson]

Kiiyor, on 27 March 2015 - 11:14 PM, said:

Did you make this? Hilarious.

[Sarevos]

Kiiyor, on 27 March 2015 - 11:14 PM, said:

is this even still a thing? what does a premade do now? you can talk to everyone in game... unless they speak a different language.. then youd best learn mech sign language



Speaking of which got rolled by a Kurita Premade was HI-larious got hit with an lrm1250 i saw the entire horizon light up with white smoke it was like that scene in the lost ark

Edited by Sarevos, 28 March 2015 - 01:59 AM.

[Tarogato]

desolator777, on 27 March 2015 - 08:59 PM, said:

I don't even need to elaborate on this. EVERYONE in game is on the same page with this. Make the premade groups fight premade groups and have the public random groups fight public random groups. You know, how EVERY OTHER MODERN GAME DOES IT! Most versions of Halo do that. Starcraft II does that. I can't actually think of a game that doesn't do that.

I'm not joining some arrogant, "we're better than you" unit to have a pissing contest that make professional wrestling look civil. I am against all units/guilds/clans in every game. I absolutely refuse to join one. But guess what that means! I get to lose every single faction match. 100% of them are against some premade jerks with overpowered mechs and my random group has zero change of winning. Every single time I have the highest match score by about a lightyear but I get stuck with new people who have no idea what they're doing. Even with pros that have been playing forever, we just lost in 100 seconds to a 12 ice ferret rush. What the heck am I supposed to do about that? They're basically cheating. They're ganging up in a premade group to use some exploit strategy. Put a stop to it or there's no reason for normal people to even play the game anymore. I am not going to sit here and lose every single match because the developers can't figure out that premades should be blocked from playing PUGs.

Gee, anyone else maybe have a similar viewpoint? I wonder.

You're only embarrassing yourself by going into the group-centric, units vs. units community game mode ... and then complaining that pugs can't beat premades. The game mode is NOT made for pugs, it was never intended to be. The reason we have pugs is so that units can drop in groups of 4, 8, 11, etc. and not be forced to play 12-only. If CW was 12-man premade only, then there wouldn't be enough people/groups playing it to sustain it at all. We need the pugs for it to keep going, but that doesn't mean that pugs are a viable way to succeed. You have several options:

1. Don't play CW.
2. Learn how CW queues work. (if you want help with this... ask)
3. Join a unit.

... why are you "against all units/guilds/clans in every game" and "... absolutely refuse to join one." ? Please explain this mentality to me because I simply don't understand it. Units aren't jerks, they're friends. They play together to have fun. Some of them like winning and using what works best. It's an exciting challenge to always be trying new tactics and seeing what works. Also, units don't use light mech rushes most of the time. By simply zerg rushing the generators, you get practically no money or faction loyalty points for the match and it's not worth your time, and it's also not much fun. The only time people use it is when they're really irritated at another faction and they want to win a planet as easily as possible. If you encounter a faction that uses this tactic repeatedly and you don't like it... go fight against another faction. And if you don't like how the people in your own faction play, go choose another faction.

I'd offer my hand to assist you in finding and joining a unit so you could realise that it can be a good thing and a positive experience and that most units don't spam cheap tactics... but your extraordinarily negative attitude means you're getting no help from me at this time. Open up, man. Solo pugging just isn't as satisfying - take it from me, a person who thought they would play this game solo and would never join a unit.

Edited by Tarogato, 28 March 2015 - 02:06 AM.

[HAV0C]

Had the pleasure of dropping with our illustrious thread creator earlier in a community warfare match tonight.


More than half of the drop was on comms with me, but it was not a full DHB group, only 5 or 6 of the total drop was in my unit, but there were several others in other random units or no unit with us. Of these a couple had joined up on comms, and a few weren't on comms either. This included ole Desolator777 here.

I was attempting to call the drop on teamspeak 3, and allow another member of the drop that has VOIP working properly to call the drop commands to those not on comms with us (a good option I thought, since I can hear on VOIP but my transmit has never worked).

Queue good old Desolator777, who immediately started to demand/command/whine that we weren't doing what he wanted to do. Several people in chat and on VOIP told him that we were mostly all on TS3 together, and that we would relay on VOIP what was going on. A few minutes later, he started complaining that we weren't moving fast enough, and then charged in solo, dying about as fast as you'd expect a solo 'mech charging through a gate on counter attack would die.

He then begins to be as disruptive as humanly possible on VOIP, ultimately causing the entire drop group to mute him.

Match ended in a loss, and to desolator777's credit, he managed to do a little over 150 damage with his four 'mechs in the drop. Truly, an amazing credit to his team.

To the creator of this *amazing* thread: Next time bud, just stay in the shallow end please?

<S> Thanks everyone, see y'all dirtside.

-Colonel Andrew "Havoc" Davis
Death's Hand Brigade Mercenaries

Edited by HAV0C, 28 March 2015 - 02:07 AM.

[Pjwned]

As much as I dislike community warfare for various reasons, it was always planned with the intention of catering to coordinated groups and it at least delivers on that aspect pretty well, so if you don't like it then play in the solo queue where the teams are made of random people.

I will say though that partly why I dislike community warfare was the cheesy generator rush tactics by clan teams, that combined with attacking on Boreal Vault being a complete shitfest just made me disgusted and I haven't played in CW since then, along with the rest of my small unit for that matter actually. It also made matters a lot worse trying to actually find a match as a solo player, only to get shafted dozens of times, though I haven't bothered playing after some queue improvements were made so it's probably better now in that regard.

Edited by Pjwned, 28 March 2015 - 02:06 AM.

[Bluttrunken]

Not really of your opinion unit/premades etc are a great way to play a game you enjoy. Joining one is a big benefit in every game, not just this one. Flatly saying they are bad, is a bit narrow point of view. Those people want to have fun in a group, let them, it enriches their experience. CW is/can be kinda meh because of this for players who opt out of units but yeah, that's their fault, not the units.

That said I'd wish PGI would take a look at making CW more attractive for PuGs because I'm sort of a resilient player who also enjoys if the odds are against me but I won't willingly plunge into CW at the time being.

Edited by k05h3lk1n, 28 March 2015 - 02:05 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

desolator777, on 27 March 2015 - 08:59 PM, said:

I don't even need to elaborate on this. EVERYONE in game is on the same page with this. Make the premade groups fight premade groups and have the public random groups fight public random groups. You know, how EVERY OTHER MODERN GAME DOES IT! Most versions of Halo do that. Starcraft II does that. I can't actually think of a game that doesn't do that.

I'm not joining some arrogant, "we're better than you" unit to have a pissing contest that make professional wrestling look civil. I am against all units/guilds/clans in every game. I absolutely refuse to join one. But guess what that means! I get to lose every single faction match. 100% of them are against some premade jerks with overpowered mechs and my random group has zero change of winning. Every single time I have the highest match score by about a lightyear but I get stuck with new people who have no idea what they're doing. Even with pros that have been playing forever, we just lost in 100 seconds to a 12 ice ferret rush. What the heck am I supposed to do about that? They're basically cheating. They're ganging up in a premade group to use some exploit strategy. Put a stop to it or there's no reason for normal people to even play the game anymore. I am not going to sit here and lose every single match because the developers can't figure out that premades should be blocked from playing PUGs.

Gee, anyone else maybe have a similar viewpoint? I wonder.

No. I don't. So I guess your statement that EVERYONE is on teh same page was incorrect.

I joined up with a group of players who are a laid back group of men and women Who like to get together and BS.

[Novakaine]

desolator777, on 27 March 2015 - 08:59 PM, said:

I don't even need to elaborate on this. EVERYONE in game is on the same page with this. Make the premade groups fight premade groups and have the public random groups fight public random groups. You know, how EVERY OTHER MODERN GAME DOES IT! Most versions of Halo do that. Starcraft II does that. I can't actually think of a game that doesn't do that.

I'm not joining some arrogant, "we're better than you" unit to have a pissing contest that make professional wrestling look civil. I am against all units/guilds/clans in every game. I absolutely refuse to join one. But guess what that means! I get to lose every single faction match. 100% of them are against some premade jerks with overpowered mechs and my random group has zero change of winning. Every single time I have the highest match score by about a lightyear but I get stuck with new people who have no idea what they're doing. Even with pros that have been playing forever, we just lost in 100 seconds to a 12 ice ferret rush. What the heck am I supposed to do about that? They're basically cheating. They're ganging up in a premade group to use some exploit strategy. Put a stop to it or there's no reason for normal people to even play the game anymore. I am not going to sit here and lose every single match because the developers can't figure out that premades should be blocked from playing PUGs.

Gee, anyone else maybe have a similar viewpoint? I wonder.

New huh?
That explains it, unless of course your'e just trolling.
This a team based game, I solo regularly and I "rarely" ever see a premade in the pug matches anymore.
More than likely the opposite team is merely coordinating better than you CODist.
Hence the butt kickin you constantly receiving.
Don't hate the game, hate the uncoordinated pug.
But you won't will you?
So..........
Soldier up and Enlist.

ps.. ya might try one of these.

Edited by Novakaine, 28 March 2015 - 02:24 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Johnny Z, on 27 March 2015 - 10:26 PM, said:

Usually you make sense, but this I totally disagree with. They should forget making the star map cater to one play preference or another and make an awsome star map that groups can enjoy and solo players to if they are up for it.

Apparently, the OP is not up for it.

[Sarevos]

Tarogato, on 28 March 2015 - 02:02 AM, said:

*Very well thought out and well stated outreach*

1. Don't play CW.
2. Learn how CW queues work. (if you want help with this... ask)
3. Join a unit.

I like your outreach a unit you're in will likely reach out to those pugging in your group and provide guidance through the ingame chat however if everyone was like that then number 3 wouldnt be needed most would be having fun =/.

People have bad experiences some people may have their own group of friends some people could just not like other people but still be willing to listen joining a group is a bit of a commitment one many dont want its unwanted expectations when people just want to roll in anonymity. Some people could be all around just bad people you never know.

I'll never understand all the anti pug - anti team hate but i understand where both sides are coming from i have my couple of buds I drop with and my Fiance is super shy so we roll in a 5-6 man but thats not a full 12 so we just include the rest over voip its not hard...

Novakaine, on 28 March 2015 - 02:09 AM, said:

New huh?
That explains it, unless of course your'e just trolling.
But........
Soldier up and Enlist.

I cant say I dont like your damn style sir how are there so many bad experiences with this many friendly groups?