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[Novakaine]

Sarevos, on 28 March 2015 - 02:18 AM, said:

I like your outreach a unit you're in will likely reach out to those pugging in your group and provide guidance through the ingame chat however if everyone was like that then number 3 wouldnt be needed most would be having fun =/.

People have bad experiences some people may have their own group of friends some people could just not like other people but still be willing to listen joining a group is a bit of a commitment one many dont want its unwanted expectations when people just want to roll in anonymity. Some people could be all around just bad people you never know.

I'll never understand all the anti pug - anti team hate but i understand where both sides are coming from i have my couple of buds I drop with and my Fiance is super shy so we roll in a 5-6 man but thats not a full 12 so we just include the rest over voip its not hard...



I cant say I dont like your damn style sir how are there so many bad experiences with this many friendly groups?

Sadly too many in this game are just plain antisocial gits.
You don't have to join a big unit, just roll with some friends.
It's more fun that way.
Unless of course your'e an antisocial git and just don't have any.
Not referring to you friend, but the thread creator.

[Weeny Machine]

Novakaine, on 28 March 2015 - 02:34 AM, said:

Sadly too many in this game are just plain antisocial gits.
You don't have to join a big unit, just roll with some friends.
It's more fun that way.
Unless of course your'e an antisocial git and just don't have any.
Not referring to you friend, but the thread creator.

You imply that everyone who doesn't want to join a unit is autmatically antisocial. I don't want to insult you, but that's a prime example of an elitist who is actually the one who is antisocial.
Why? There are more factors than "I don't want to communicate/co-operate that's why I do not join a unit" e.g. long queue times, tight time schedule for example and many more.

Edit: And of course there are anti-social gits. They are everywhere, sports, work etc. MWO has its share but certainly not more than other recreative activities

Edited by Bush Hopper, 28 March 2015 - 03:54 AM.

[Lucian Nostra]

desolator777, on 27 March 2015 - 09:13 PM, said:

Great, well I'm not joining some immature group of arrogant jerks so stop putting me in matches with premades

Well it's good you don't want to join, can't think of any group that's looking for a giant ****** so it would of been hard to find a group anyway.

Edited by Lucian Nostra, 28 March 2015 - 04:15 AM.

[DivineEvil]

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I don't even need to elaborate on this. EVERYONE in game is on the same page with this.

Making a bold statement doesn't makes it more true. Your is false.

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Make the premade groups fight premade groups and have the public random groups fight public random groups. You know, how EVERY OTHER MODERN GAME DOES IT! Most versions of Halo do that. Starcraft II does that. I can't actually think of a game that doesn't do that.

Your lack in experience in MMO games does not make your argument valid either.

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I'm not joining some arrogant, "we're better than you" unit to have a pissing contest that make professional wrestling look civil.

*sigh* ...the only arrogant brat here is you.

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I am against all units/guilds/clans in every game. I absolutely refuse to join one.

That's your personal preference. Nobody is entitled to adapt to it. MWO is a team game.

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But guess what that means! I get to lose every single faction match. 100% of them are against some premade jerks with overpowered mechs and my random group has zero change of winning. Every single time I have the highest match score by about a lightyear but I get stuck with new people who have no idea what they're doing.

Definitely not 100%. All mechs are accessible to everyone. If you don't have good maxed-out mechs to participate in CW, it's your problem. And you are the new player yourself, jerk.

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Even with pros that have been playing forever, we just lost in 100 seconds to a 12 ice ferret rush. What the heck am I supposed to do about that? They're basically cheating. They're ganging up in a premade group to use some exploit strategy.

It's called a cooperative drop. Even PUG players can cooperate before the match starts, and take mech layout to meet a specific objective. Being cooperative and effective isn't cheating. Same tactic can be performed with any weight class. Light mechs are just happen to suit that role better.

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Put a stop to it or there's no reason for normal people to even play the game anymore. I am not going to sit here and lose every single match because the developers can't figure out that premades should be blocked from playing PUGs.

"Normal" people? We're all normal people. I you don't want to sit here, then don't. Nobody's forcing you to. If you want to, then adapt and figure out what can be done. I had many frustrating games in CW, but never blamed it on anyone really. Cooperation does not trumps personal skill as much as you assume it is. Being aware of what you do and why is more important, and even premade teams can lose if you refuse to play by their rules.

Edited by DivineEvil, 28 March 2015 - 04:54 AM.

[stratagos]

desolator777, on 27 March 2015 - 09:13 PM, said:

Great, well I'm not joining some immature group of arrogant jerks so stop putting me in matches with premades

Tell the person forcing you to play CW to put the gun down.

The population numbers in CW do not allow a segregated queueing system. If you want to play CW, you're going to face premades.

If you don't want to face premades, there is a simple solution: don't play CW.

[CutterWolf]

Posted Today, 05:04 AM
Had the pleasure of dropping with our illustrious thread creator earlier in a community warfare match tonight.


More than half of the drop was on comms with me, but it was not a full DHB group, only 5 or 6 of the total drop was in my unit, but there were several others in other random units or no unit with us. Of these a couple had joined up on comms, and a few weren't on comms either. This included ole Desolator777 here.

I was attempting to call the drop on teamspeak 3, and allow another member of the drop that has VOIP working properly to call the drop commands to those not on comms with us (a good option I thought, since I can hear on VOIP but my transmit has never worked).

Queue good old Desolator777, who immediately started to demand/command/whine that we weren't doing what he wanted to do. Several people in chat and on VOIP told him that we were mostly all on TS3 together, and that we would relay on VOIP what was going on. A few minutes later, he started complaining that we weren't moving fast enough, and then charged in solo, dying about as fast as you'd expect a solo 'mech charging through a gate on counter attack would die.

He then begins to be as disruptive as humanly possible on VOIP, ultimately causing the entire drop group to mute him.

Match ended in a loss, and to desolator777's credit, he managed to do a little over 150 damage with his four 'mechs in the drop. Truly, an amazing credit to his team.

To the creator of this *amazing* thread: Next time bud, just stay in the shallow end please?

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Edited by CutterWolf, 28 March 2015 - 05:39 AM.

[Abisha]

just don't play CW in the end Pgi losses.
for not separate PuG with premades.

[PappySmurf]

Desolator CW 12 man stomps are one of the reasons MWO=FAIL on so many levels. If you can imagine 100,000 MechWarrior pilots setting in lobbys aranginging matches that you or your group wanted to play win or lose and just having fun playing 2v2-12v12 matches in totally awesome league play(THAT WAS MECHWARRIOR).

MWO is this total un-friendly meat grinder of a game were 24 fools are tossed in the same same games over and over again and then people wonder why everyone is so hostile its called repetitive brain damage playing MWO.This abortion of a game is not a true MechWarrior game it is a COD/Unreal Tournament type MMO knockoff that just sucks.

What more is there left to say than CW is so terrible a game mode in its current form I personally refuse to play it and solo MM queue games are getting so boring Iam almost at a point I refuse to play MWO at all and just let it go away and die.

[DivineEvil]

CutterWolf, on 28 March 2015 - 05:37 AM, said:

Posted Today, 05:04 AM
Had the pleasure of dropping with our illustrious thread creator earlier in a community warfare match tonight...

As my father keeps reminding me, "The main problem of Humanity is that vast majority of it consists of stupid people, and to make it worse, all these people are just stupid enough to think they are smart people, so when they do utterly stupid ****, they actually believe they're doing the right thing."

Edited by DivineEvil, 28 March 2015 - 05:58 AM.

[Sniper09121986]

stratagos, on 28 March 2015 - 05:03 AM, said:

Tell the person forcing you to play CW to put the gun down.

The population numbers in CW do not allow a segregated queueing system. If you want to play CW, you're going to face premades.

If you don't want to face premades, there is a simple solution: don't play CW.

I believe it is a problem. Not to agree with the OP mouthing off, CW really is a lot less forgiving than segregated solo modes, which is what turns many PUGs away from it so that they do not want to play it even in premades. That is why PGI is having this event, to draw in more PUGs that would somehow decrease the premade/PUG ratio to a more accessible level. If there are enough PUGs there might be a premade/PUG segregation here too, but as it is CW is hard to swallow. I believe faction mechs for LP only would help the issue

[Haji1096]

Ice Ferret OP, PGI plz nerf.


The only thing OP about the Ice Ferret is the name. Best name in the game.

Feel like I bought it at the pet store.

[Novakaine]

Bush Hopper, on 28 March 2015 - 03:52 AM, said:

You imply that everyone who doesn't want to join a unit is autmatically antisocial. I don't want to insult you, but that's a prime example of an elitist who is actually the one who is antisocial.
Why? There are more factors than "I don't want to communicate/co-operate that's why I do not join a unit" e.g. long queue times, tight time schedule for example and many more.

Edit: And of course there are anti-social gits. They are everywhere, sports, work etc. MWO has its share but certainly not more than other recreative activities

Heh Novakaine being elitist?
Well ok ya got me there.
So Novakaine will apologize for using that big broad paint brush.
Novakaine wears big mech pants all the time
But my point being is when you see a is STFU on the screen when simply suggesting a course of action.
From 2 or 3 players.
Well that's just a bit disheartening if not angering.
Then those same 2 or 3 players Nascar around let's say River City and promptly die.
Plus whatever lemmings they drag with them
Nascar is a native racing sport in North America.
Leaving your team down by a 1/2 and no kills on the board at all.
You realize this is gonna be 15 minutes of frustration and a waste of time.
But that's my point.

Edited by Novakaine, 28 March 2015 - 06:15 AM.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

So our illustrious OP has been a member since 11MAR2015, a total of 17 days.

Maybe this is proof there needs to be an entry requirement for CW. PGI does tote it as "End game raid" mode, and every other game with sine degree of "raid" mode has pretty steep entry requirements. At the very least they should limit trial mechs to one or two.

[Stealth Fox]

Lord Scarlett Johan, on 28 March 2015 - 06:18 AM, said:

. At the very least they should limit trial mechs to one or two.

If that was the case, I would not be able to play, I pilot big expensive mechs, I only own two Mad Dogs and a Timber when it comes to Clan Mechs .. other then that, I run trials and..I seem to do well enough.

[DivineEvil]

I don't think something has to be made with Trials, but noobs definitely should not be allowed into the CW.

[Johnny Z]

The replies are a bit hard considering the guy has a point about higher skill levels required for the star map, call it premades or what ever. The star map is far from newbies friendly.

[Revis Volek]

desolator777, on 27 March 2015 - 09:13 PM, said:

Great, well I'm not joining some immature group of arrogant jerks so stop putting me in matches with premades

Really?

You would seem to fit in with most arrogant jerks I know.....hmm.

Also that the REASON i join units, to find LIKE MINDED PEOPLE TO PLAY WITH. Has nothing to do with some preemptive notion that if we group up we will club seals mo betta! Get a clue dude, i group up because its a TEAM GAME and i like to PLAY WITH OTHER PEOPLE!

Why play online games if you dont wanna play with other people? Kinda defeats the purpose am I right? Also, STICK TO THE PUBLIC QUEUE IF YOU DON'T WANNA ME CLUBBED!

Abisha, on 28 March 2015 - 05:40 AM, said:

just don't play CW in the end Pgi losses.
for not separate PuG with premades.

We all lose if they serperate the queue...LEARN SOMETHING!

THERE IS NOT ENOUGH PLAYERS IN THIS GAME TO HAVE SEPARATE QUEUES!

You think it takes a long time to get a match now? divide the player base one more time and then tell me how you like playing with 1500 people. Get a hint guys if you dont understand the game at its core level i wouldn't make suggestions.

Edited by DarthRevis, 28 March 2015 - 07:22 AM.

[Novawrecker]

desolator777, on 27 March 2015 - 08:59 PM, said:

Make the premade groups fight premade groups and have the public random groups fight public random groups.

So what happens when there aren't enough premade groups about to face against other premades? Hmmm, Sherlock?

desolator777, on 27 March 2015 - 08:59 PM, said:

I am against all units/guilds/clans in every game. I absolutely refuse to join one.

Then YOU face a problem. But you're welcomed to your interpretation. Btw, Instead of joining them, how about trying just dropping with them, or is this too much for you, O'Great And Perilous Anti-Organized One?

desolator777, on 27 March 2015 - 08:59 PM, said:

But guess what that means! I get to lose every single faction match. 100% of them are against some premade jerks with overpowered mechs and my random group has zero change of winning.

Boldfaced & Underlined: Why can't you use some of these "overpowered" mechs? What's stopping you from adopting tactics that win in this game? Why aren't you at least attempting to organize with the random set of people you drop with (there is an in-game VoIP now you know)?

PUGism is a serious affliction. I suggest you see your local organized chapter and familiarize yourself with techniques to rid of that habit.

desolator777, on 27 March 2015 - 08:59 PM, said:

Every single time I have the highest match score by about a lightyear but I get stuck with new people who have no idea what they're doing.

Yet, you refuse to adopt any sort of organized coordination. Hmm, I wonder what ever the problem here could be ...

desolator777, on 27 March 2015 - 08:59 PM, said:

Even with pros that have been playing forever, we just lost in 100 seconds to a 12 ice ferret rush. What the heck am I supposed to do about that?

Hint #1: Aim for their legs. This one's a free-bee. Next one's gunna cost ya some C-Bills

desolator777, on 27 March 2015 - 08:59 PM, said:

They're basically cheating. They're ganging up in a premade group to use some exploit strategy.

No. You're not organized. The frag is wrong with you "they're cheating". Stop pissing into your own cereal, jackhole. Your bitterness from getting owned is showing pete-white hot. Instead, TRY to organize with people. Don't want to join a unit? You don't have to, but that doesn't mean you cannot drop into faction teamspeaks and drop with them to learn a thing or fifty.

desolator777, on 27 March 2015 - 08:59 PM, said:

Put a stop to it or there's no reason for normal people to even play the game anymore.

Follow your own advice and put a stop to your stupid rant. Get better by learning new things, especially how to work with, and set up, an organized team.

desolator777, on 27 March 2015 - 08:59 PM, said:

I am not going to sit here and lose every single match because the developers can't figure out that premades should be blocked from playing PUGs.

Wait, Wait, Wait. So it's the developers' fault that you suck? The f00k is wrong with you man? Take a break from the game and vent off some of that steam clouding your mind. STOP putting the blame on someone/something else. YOU'RE at fault here, YOU'RE the route of your bad experiences in the game, YOU'RE the reason you're not improving. Learn what works in this game and adopt it.

Sarevos, on 28 March 2015 - 01:56 AM, said:

you can talk to everyone in game... unless they speak a different language..

Que?

Sarevos, on 28 March 2015 - 02:18 AM, said:

I cant say I dont like your damn style sir how are there so many bad experiences with this many friendly groups?

PUG mentality, it truly holds some people back (at times without them even realizing it).

[Poon6113]

Every time I see these types of complaints, that really only advertise ones lack of information or knowledge of the game, I'm reminded of the Dunning-Kruger effect. It is a cognitive bias that everyone is susceptible to wherein a person who is bad at something lacks the tools to be able to tell they are bad at something and thus suffer from illusory superiority. It's actually really funny because we all do it; the skillset to be good at something also happens to be necessary for you to be able to identify whether or not you are good at something. Kind of like an inborn stupidity paradox.

[Burktross]

Sorry mate, we're not pro enough for Community Warfare.
12 mans only.