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[Stoned Prophet]

Gloris, on 30 March 2015 - 02:38 PM, said:

Why is this always the Solution people give?
"If getting stomped stomped because the enemy is a premade and you have pub-noobs is boring you, go get a premade and stomp pub-noobs!"

Sorry no.
I Remember when i got into a few very good 8-10 man premades with people like Lord or 228.

It was boring as hell, 0 challenge, i might as well have gone AFK and the game would have been something like a 3-48 anyway.

Where is the fun in that?

Premades running coordinated 8+ drops of Meta Only mechs is taking the fun out of the CW for me, and me turning into one of them and taking the fun out of other Pubs is not gonna make it better. You can only Stomp so many noobs before it gets boring.

I want balanced and fun2play matches, no Stomps, no matter if i'm the one getting stomped or the one stomping.


Premade players may now call me a whiner/noob/antisocial/whatever.

Well, other than your victim complex, you realize the reason organized groups stomp is because pugs dont wanna be on a team I have ZERO sympathy for pugs who get stomped, because you have your solo que, and I have my Hardmode que (as stated by russ) in community warfare so I dont want my game watered down to become super easy because you want to play in a mode but dont want to play the mode the way it is INTENDED to be played.

Soulscour, on 31 March 2015 - 05:57 AM, said:

Sorry, but it takes to much effort and time to get CW game going. I actually get better competition in the solo queu and five times more game time. CW has gotten better since last time I played however. I'll drop by occasionally to see the changes they implement.

OK. CW isnt for you then. Enjoy

[Bigbacon]

HARDKOR, on 30 March 2015 - 06:47 AM, said:

Either find a team or go back to solo cue. CW cannot function as any sort of long term challenge with more than half the players being pugs. Teams are the whole point of it, so stop trolling yourself and others and make some friends.

i can't believe people are still spouting this crap out...You won't have CW if you don't have the solo people....who make up the majority of the players...

It really isn't that hard.

Now yes, the more solos that play it, the less of a chance of being stomped there is. that is a huge plus but you need to make fun first...and it really isn't team or no team. I'm sure the premades enjoy it because they get to stomp OR have a great fight against another premade.

and random units of folks do not = a unit, they will still get stomped.

Edited by Bigbacon, 02 April 2015 - 10:02 AM.

[Stoned Prophet]

Heres the main problem with PUGs who arent enjoying CW:
1: They dont want or cant be on an organized team. Thats okay, but then that means you shouldnt be in CW.
2: Too many equate Loss to a organized group to be a stomp. Had a fight against some pugs who screamed the whole match about the evil premades and how much fun we had "light rushing" and "stomping" them. (This was IS v IS btw) Sorry, a match that ends 48-33 is NOT A STOMP. And one wave of lights is not "Light rushing". and its not cheese either.
3:YOU ASSUME PREMADES WANT STOMPS FOR SOME REASON. Why? Its no fun for us either. You are merely putting yourself into the role of the victim, a role you invented for this particular instance. Please stop. its simply not true (for the most part of course theres bad apples in every bushel).

Bigbacon, on 02 April 2015 - 10:00 AM, said:

i can't believe people are still spouting this crap out...You won't have CW if you don't have the solo people....who make up the majority of the players...

It really isn't that hard.

Yes, we will. and well have less matches, but no one will be crying "PREMADES ATE MY BABY!" which is good.

IF YOU WANT TO DO WELL IN CW A: JOIN A UNIT or B: LEAD YOUR PUG.
But pugs wont lead. Thats why theyre pugs.
Pugs create their own problems in this game.
Zero sympathy.
Nada
Zilch

Triordinant, on 31 March 2015 - 07:16 PM, said:

Sorry, but not even an Event with free giveaways was enough to make me play CW. I've never played it because I predicted back in December what it would be like and I turned out to be correct. According to Russ Bullock (question 16 in the Town Hall meeting notes here), only 13.5% of MWO players play CW and he goes on to say that was good enough. At this point, Events like the last one are the only way they can get (some) more players to play CW.

Never played it but has major opinions on it. theres a word for that.

[Sharfen]

What I say here has probably been covered. It might not be an original soap box, but it's mine.

I probably won't be going to CW much. Maybe later... who knows. There were some things I enjoyed but more that I didn't.

I'm a solo player. I can be great but for the most part, I like to get crazy. I'm the light that goes and spots just because someone says "where are they?" I like to be the guy that runs to the rescue of the assault lagging behind the pack that gets jumped by a light lance. I sometimes load up an AC2 on my Firestarter and annoy the crap out of LRM boats. I can play well, brave, stupid, or off-the-chain. It just depends how I feel.

I have thought of joining a group but why bring a group down with my crazy play style? Don't get me wrong, I've played organized unit games and done well. If I join though I lose some of that free style playing that I'm enjoying right now.

I also like light mechs. I can't think of anything my lights and fast mediums can't do that I want to do.

The brings this to CW. Well, CW isn't very light mech friendly. Yes, I can be useful but in a PUG it's not easy most of the time. CW is all slug-fests and brute force. CW is also more pre-made friendly. That makes it pretty hard for me to find an enjoyable game in CW.

[Triordinant]

Stoned Prophet, on 02 April 2015 - 10:03 AM, said:

Never played it but has major opinions on it. theres a word for that.

The word is Enlightened. Thanks to thorough research, all my predictions about CW turned out to be correct.

[Yokaiko]

Czarr, on 31 March 2015 - 07:35 PM, said:

You know actually i would love to keep playing CW but i can't, you know why? Cause a whole bunch of mercs decided to jump on the Draconis Combine bandwagon and now this entire faction is filled with nomadic mercs who switched factions every week and i can't get into a single game because of the zerg. I have been waiting 30 mins

FIX THIS PGI!!!

You haven't figured out how to play the numbers? I rarely wait 10 minutes.

[Sandersson Jankins]

Huoshini, on 30 March 2015 - 08:40 AM, said:

I played 5 games yesterday. I enjoy playing...even though I.lost EVERY SINGLE GAME. I am a player that makes his own fun. I took "command" in all of the games to get people from running around like a disorganized mess and I actually enjoyed that. I gave a speech in the style of JFK on one, I roleplayed like a hardened drill seargent ordering people to sreer thier mechs into the stream of laser..."FOR VICTORY" in another but still did it with tactics in mind. I made sure.other folks knew what was going on when I noticed they drop in all trial mechs. I got enjoyment out of the roleplay aspect and team building.

Yes I solo dropped on every match. Yes I knew we would get stomped most/all of the games. But I took comfort in knowing that the.people I pugged with got a better understanding of CW after playing.

The winning and losing comes after everything personally. Try to enjoy the game first

You. Man, I like you.

I do the exact same thing nearly every game, but playing up my (when I try) thick southern accent to make them think they're some private and I'm a colonel in the US civil war

This game needs people like you. Guys that'll have fun with the game because they TRY to. Some people won't try to have fun, they need it to HAPPEN to them like it is some sort of gift to be thrust upon you.

Keep it up, friend. I mean it.

[That Dawg]

well, sadness. Friday night, 9PM EST and it looks like the total population on ALL of CW is about 200/215.
Needing 24 to make a drop, and half hour to play, that means......waiting 10-20 minutes to get into a que for the chance to go against a 12 man.......

back to pugs. I'd hoped after last weekend, there would be 300-500 in the que again

[Romeo Deluxe]

Weekend here, back in the CW queue.

[That Dawg]

Stoned Prophet, on 02 April 2015 - 10:03 AM, said:

1: They dont want or cant be on an organized team. Thats okay, but then that means you shouldnt be in CW.

3:YOU ASSUME PREMADES WANT STOMPS FOR SOME REASON. Why? Its no fun for us either. You are merely putting yourself into the role of the victim, a role you invented for this particular instance. Please stop.

ever played it but has major opinions on it. theres a word for that.

"stoned" "prophet" name suits.

There is a word for it.


your points:
1)- solos shouldn't be in CW- AGREED, then that same line of thinking- NO two+ man groups should be allowed in PUGS, BAN THEM! it goes against the blah blah creedo blah solo players blah, only two man drop and up shall be allowed in CW, and forever more, ONLY solo players allowed in pugs.

3) "we" collectively DO stop, then get to read thread after thread about CW is broken, long waits, never enough players, and then PGI creates a weekend event SO GOOD, no one resists to feed CW some fresh meat, then when its over and back to "normal" "we" get sick of it, and go back to having "fun" and your que rots on the vine.

This has been the same bullhsit since CW was first talked about. Then implemented.
Rinse, lather, repeat.
And YOU are blaming solo players who are complaining "we" are dropped into a 12 man assorted solo pugs going against a 12 man, or two combos i.e. 6/6, 8/4 etc are to blame?
Newsflash, Solo players according to everything I've read here sport, make up the vast majority of PAYING customers and typical traffic on most nights.....

yeah, there IS a word for it. stoned prophet

[Romeo Deluxe]

There is some serious culture shock going on in CW. All those bad habits picked up in the public matches are coming in to haunt us poor pugs. It only takes a weekend to change, from personal experience, but only if people are willing to change in the first place.

[Yokaiko]

Bigbacon, on 02 April 2015 - 10:00 AM, said:

and random units of folks do not = a unit, they will still get stomped.

Oh really? Because that is basically exactly how Kurita operates.

P.S.

From last weekend, that is two IS two mans and a bunch of randoms (including me) stomping on a Clan 7 man


Pure pug vs pug?



Won that one convincingly, on attack mind you.

[Mystere]

Yokaiko, on 04 April 2015 - 08:57 AM, said:

Oh really? Because that is basically exactly how Kurita operates.

P.S.

From last weekend, that is two IS two mans and a bunch of randoms (including me) stomping on a Clan 7 man

You're proud of beating EMC?



<runs for the hills>

Edited by Mystere, 04 April 2015 - 10:16 AM.

[RubyFire]

I would hope that, if I may use the analogy, that if somebody is getting punched in the face often enough, they'd learn to block, instead of appealing to their attacker to use gloves.

[Sharfen]

Z3R0 0N3, on 04 April 2015 - 11:02 AM, said:

I would hope that, if I may use the analogy, that if somebody is getting punched in the face often enough, they'd learn to block, instead of appealing to their attacker to use gloves.

It's not boxing, it's a product. Many people in the 'pug squad' pay to play (been pointed out many times).That alone buys them the right to voice their opinion.

I kind of agree with both sides though (my opinion). I agree with the players calling for the game to be playable by a casual player, but I also agree that when I do something dumb and get my face melted off, it's my fault.

This isn't new. It's t-ball logic. When you play in a competition and don't win very often then you are more likely to not play again. Sure, that leaves the gifted to rule the game, but then again... it also leaves them alone to fund it. So, I personally think both sides need to suck it up some. If you want to be the grinder not the grindee, then at least try to steer your team towards cooperation. If you you're contemptuous of the lesser-gifted players then deal with the fact that those players will stop playing t-ball (CW) after getting plastered often enough. It also means that it behooves the company making money from the game to make some consolidations for said underachievers. I mean, they ARE a money stream that helps keep the wheels on the bus.

[Mystere]

Z3R0 0N3, on 04 April 2015 - 11:02 AM, said:

I would hope that, if I may use the analogy, that if somebody is getting punched in the face often enough, they'd learn to block, instead of appealing to their attacker to use gloves.

Frankly, I'd rather that they learned to use the attacker's momentum against him (e.g. Aikido). It's ultimately more efficient.

Edited by Mystere, 04 April 2015 - 02:58 PM.

[RubyFire]

My point, and I do have one, is that pugs crying about losing to organized groups has occurred since the invention of team based games. The difference is that players who want to do better -will- do better, instead of bitching about it. There are ways to improve the game through yourself, not demanding that it be changed to suit your needs.

Edited by Z3R0 0N3, 04 April 2015 - 03:18 PM.

[Romeo Deluxe]

I'm in the North America Pacific time zone and on Saturday I got some games. Friday evening I got games. Two games on Sunday and now there aren't any games I can get into or simply the crowd died out. Tried for an hour and finally gave up.

[Stoned Prophet]

Z3R0 0N3, on 04 April 2015 - 03:17 PM, said:

My point, and I do have one, is that pugs crying about losing to organized groups has occurred since the invention of team based games. The difference is that players who want to do better -will- do better, instead of bitching about it. There are ways to improve the game through yourself, not demanding that it be changed to suit your needs.

I cannot like this enough. May have to make Alt accounts to like more than once.

[N0MAD]

Yep CW is for the big competitive groups,, all 6-10 of them...
Lets look at the competitive scene in MWO..
Is it a new league/event thats been promoted lately? even the new community manager is pushing it, so is PGI they throw in a $1000 to the prize pool over $3k in prizes maybe more, exciting...
Groups are clamering to take part, the MWO comp scene is really excited, all 8 or so teams that are currently signed up, you hear that? all 8 teams... talk about a large comp population...
So i say let CW be the domain of the large group, maybe they can scrape up one of those groups for each faction, sounds fun.