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[Ace Selin]

Whilst i really like the Penetrator & the Hammerhands.

How about the Anvil ...

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Anvil




Has Jump Jets.
Has ECM.
60 tons is heavy enough to do damage, nimble enough to get out of trouble.
Has high weapon mounts.
Great unique look.
Close enough to timeline.

Edited by Ace Selin, 07 April 2015 - 06:14 PM.

[Chuanhao]

I have a soft spot for the Anvil, its buddy Hammer, but even more so the Tempest.

however, the timeline for these mechs is even further down than the penetrator and if im not wrong is very near to IS omnis. Which would make for far more interesting plays!

[TheArisen]

I was just thinking about the Penetrator and I was imaging if it had a varient with arm mounted ballistics. It'd be pretty awesome. Possible hero version right there. Because the only cannon hero wouldn't have any special hard points.

The Anvil is kind of like the Penetrator but 15 tons less. I think part of the idea here is to choose a IS heavy that is roughly equal to the Twolf. I don't think a 60 tonner could do that.

[Hans Von Lohman]

I'm partial to the Raksasha. If the Timberwolf is so popular with the Clans, why not copy it for the IS guys? Oh, wait. They did.

Also, give us a hero variant called Bounty Hunter that replaces the LRM-10's with an AC-5 in the right torso.

Hell, PGI doesn't even need to make a full 3D model. Just take the Catapult, remove the missile doors and add arms.

Edited by Hans Von Lohman, 07 April 2015 - 10:26 PM.

[Ace Selin]

TheArisen, on 07 April 2015 - 09:50 PM, said:

I was just thinking about the Penetrator and I was imaging if it had a varient with arm mounted ballistics. It'd be pretty awesome. Possible hero version right there. Because the only cannon hero wouldn't have any special hard points.

The Anvil is kind of like the Penetrator but 15 tons less. I think part of the idea here is to choose a IS heavy that is roughly equal to the Twolf. I don't think a 60 tonner could do that.

Honestly i thought it was to get an ECM mech for CW to be comparable to the Hellbringer, but i wouldnt mind something to take on the Twolf as well.

But i would love it if we did get the Penetrator.

Edited by Ace Selin, 08 April 2015 - 01:41 PM.

[Alienized]

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[Chuanhao]

Now I know what the US military is going to do with all those extra A-10 Warthogs that Air Force does not want. Add a pair of legs and call it Champion (its lighter than the Abrams, can climb volcanos, and doesn't throw tracks!) But it is really tooo000ooo ugly.

Edited by Chuanhao, 15 April 2015 - 10:15 PM.

[TheArisen]

This needs a poll, as much as I'd love it for nostalgic reasons, I'm worried ppl would vote in the Black knight. I think there are more interesting and stronger mechs than the BK. Penetrator, Bandersnatch & Hammerhands come to mind personally.

Edited by TheArisen, 14 April 2015 - 11:24 PM.

[Widowmaker1981]

Cathy, on 06 April 2015 - 12:32 PM, said:

Why bother with clan mechs none worth a squat after wave three unless people just want unreasonably stupid mechs like the grizzly

Eh, There are still some nice Clan omnimechs to come in the somewhat near timeline:

Viper: 40t, 8xJJs, 142kph
Huntsman: 50t, 5xJJs, 90kph (but unlike the Nova has got ES and FF and hasn't got any locked DHS)
Kingfisher: 90t, 360 STD engine, ES, FF (i think it will be good despite no C-XL)
Night Gyr: 75t, 300XL, 4xJJs, epic 40 ton podspace, ES+FF (will have critslot issues i think)
Turkina: 95t, 285XL, 3xJJs, like 46 tons of space.. another Whale basically.

On topic.. Penetrator seems most viable, Black Knight looks coolest. BK might get better quirks than the Hopper due to no JJs, and 75 tons is nicer than 70.. (and PGI cant waste a quirk on a useless single head missile port)

(Im pretty appalled that people chose the Grasshopper over the BK with the reason 'it has missiles so its not a pure energy boat' - its a fricking head mounted missile, i.e. literally 100% useless, a single (S)SRM2/4 or LRM5 is garbage lol.)

[Hollow Earth]

Get Hammerhands on that list.

Archer would be nice but that would mean HG would have to stop crying or PGI makes an in-house "Archer" with a different name and design while still keeping it's stats.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Hans Von Lohman, on 07 April 2015 - 10:17 PM, said:

I'm partial to the Raksasha. If the Timberwolf is so popular with the Clans, why not copy it for the IS guys? Oh, wait. They did.

Also, give us a hero variant called Bounty Hunter that replaces the LRM-10's with an AC-5 in the right torso.

Hell, PGI doesn't even need to make a full 3D model. Just take the Catapult, remove the missile doors and add arms.

Lol. I like the Rakshasa MWO mock-up .

And I thought the Madcat II was a cheap attempt to appease fanboys . IS pilot players in BT REALLY wanted their own Timber Wolf.

Anyway, it would be a chance for them to redesign the Catapult's CT, so that could be a potential plus.

On the negative side, those missile pods would probably be moved to the side torsos making the mech insanely XL unfriendly. Side torso will be stripped all day long (even worse than equipping missile on a Timber wolf. MWO could keep the missiles tied to the arms, but you would have a harder time keeping arms than a Nova (even with quirk help).

It's a cool mech (even as a fanboy gift), but MWO hitboxes would be murder on it.

[TheArisen]

Widowmaker1981, on 14 April 2015 - 11:50 PM, said:

Eh, There are still some nice Clan omnimechs to come in the somewhat near timeline:

Viper: 40t, 8xJJs, 142kph
Huntsman: 50t, 5xJJs, 90kph (but unlike the Nova has got ES and FF and hasn't got any locked DHS)
Kingfisher: 90t, 360 STD engine, ES, FF (i think it will be good despite no C-XL)
Night Gyr: 75t, 300XL, 4xJJs, epic 40 ton podspace, ES+FF (will have critslot issues i think)
Turkina: 95t, 285XL, 3xJJs, like 46 tons of space.. another Whale basically.

On topic.. Penetrator seems most viable, Black Knight looks coolest. BK might get better quirks than the Hopper due to no JJs, and 75 tons is nicer than 70.. (and PGI cant waste a quirk on a useless single head missile port)

(Im pretty appalled that people chose the Grasshopper over the BK with the reason 'it has missiles so its not a pure energy boat' - its a fricking head mounted missile, i.e. literally 100% useless, a single (S)SRM2/4 or LRM5 is garbage lol.)

I readily agree, picking the Hopper over the BK was dumb. The BK might not get strong quirks because they possibly could give it ECM to (1) give IS a ECM heavy and (2) it was a command mech with lots of extra electronics. If we got it and it received good to strong quirks, I'd happily take it. I just think we have a couple heavies that could be quite strong in MWO.

Edited by TheArisen, 15 April 2015 - 07:04 AM.

[CDLord HHGD]

What, no Champion?

[MeiSooHaityu]

cdlord, on 15 April 2015 - 06:58 AM, said:

What, no Champion?

We must have the Champion!

[Strum Wealh]

cdlord, on 15 April 2015 - 06:58 AM, said:

What, no Champion?

MeiSooHaityu, on 15 April 2015 - 07:04 AM, said:

We must have the Champion!

Already got it mentioned earlier in this thread...

Strum Wealh, on 04 April 2015 - 05:48 PM, said:

The 60-ton Champion could/would have the CHP-1N, CHP-1N2, and CHP-2N variants available.



The layout of the Champion is very different from that of the same-tonnage Dragon (two extra lasers, missiles in the LT rather than the CT, no arm weapons at all (ACs in the RT, lasers and missiles in the LT, and lasers in the CT; the data for the CHP-1N and CHP-2N from Solaris7.com (derived from TRO 2750 and TRO 3025, respectively) say the same thing: the Champion's "wings" (aside from the Shoulder and Upper Arm Actuators) are empty)), and the hardpoint potentials are also very different (particularly with regard to missiles).

Give one an extra ballistic hardpoint, give one an extra energy hardpoint, and give one an extra missile hardpoint; the combination of that, the distribution of hardpoints across the body (and thus unable to take advantage of the greater firing arcs and faster tracking allowed by mounting weapons in actuated arms), and the geometry of the 'Mech (with both arms being empty and effectively vestigial... and given their usual shape in BT artwork, generally incapable of being used to effectively (if at all) shield the body) would keep the Champion sufficiently distinct from the Dragon.

Example CHP-1N:
LT: x2 ballistic (x1 LB 10-X)
CT: x2 energy (x2 Small Laser)
RT: x2 energy (x2 Medium Laser), x1 missile (x1 ASRM-6)
Standard Internal Structure, Standard 300 Engine, FF Armor (71% of maximum), Standard Heat Sinks

Example CHP-1N2:
LT: x1 ballistic (x1 LB 10-X)
CT: x2 energy (x2 Small Laser)
RT: x3 energy (x2 Medium Laser), x1 missile (x1 ASRM-6)
Standard Internal Structure, Standard 300 Engine, FF Armor (71% of maximum), Double Heat Sinks

Example CHP-2N:
LT: x1 ballistic (x1 AC/10)
CT: x2 energy (x2 Small Laser)
RT: x2 energy (x2 Medium Laser), x2 missile (x1 SRM-6)
Standard Internal Structure, Standard 300 Engine, Standard Armor (64% of maximum), Standard Heat Sinks

As described in the above examples, the Champion has the potential to carry a greater number of weapons (in different E/B/M ratios) than the Dragon, but has substantially less flexibility in bringing said weapons to bear (due to all of the weapons being torso-mounted).

[zagibu]

A 60 ton mech with two shield arms could be pretty cool. Fast and durable.