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[Telmasa]

The ELO/matchmaker really loves to repeat itself - onesided teams, same map repeatedly, same players in the same mechs as last match....

I've honestly gotten into a habit of having two sets of modules ready, and continually fiddling with the game selection options, in order to avoid getting trapped into an ELO-forced hole like that.

When I don't notice it happening until a few losses in...that's when I get angry.

[Novakaine]

Well I guess I'll just soldier on.
When my lurm's fail to lock.
Well I guess I'll just soldier on.
When that commando just climb up my rear exhaust port.
Well I guess I'll just soldier on.
When I turn a corner and there's 4 enemy mechs.
Well I guess I'll just soldier on.
When I'm narced and tagged by that same commando.
Well I guess I'll just soldier on.
When I chose to defend the base and I'm that last mech standing.
Well I guess I'll just soldier on.
When I'm having the best match of the week and my wife screams there's a spider.
I'll look twice and make sure it's not a 5D.
Then I'll just soldier on.

[Sir Wulfrick]

I must admit that I've always scoffed at the idea of 'ELO hell.' Never said anything here or during a match but I was always suspicious of the existence of such a state... Until recently. Due to a mismatch between my little team and the larger team with which we play we've been PuGing rather than playing CW recently. Some of the matches I've had have resulted in my 2 team mates and I accounting for ~75% of both kills and damage, only to loose the match. Some days it makes me feel so exasperated I have to take a break and play something else for a while, least I destroy my nice mechanical KB in sheer rage. That and any drop on Viridian Bog. I have an irrational HATRED of that map. Seriously, it can DIE IN A FIRE. A HUGE, INCREDIBLY HOT ******* FIRE.

@ Novakaine, I feel your pain. There's only so much you can do to influence the outcome of a game and when it happens time after time it can become a morale sapping experience.

[Gamuray]

This sort of thing is actually EXACTLY why I don't really play much if at all now. Games are meant to be an enjoyable and fun experience for the player. MWO is only that say... 50-70% of the time I'd say (If I am purposefully forcing it to fun mode that is). Which really isn't enough since the human brain tend to pay more attention to the bad side of things. If it at some point gets to a "sit back, and have a bit of fun" then maybe I'll play more, but currently I am much happier just watching NGNG since then I'm not the one playing and don't feel the pressure to carry or be carried or die quickly and repeatedly attempting to have some fun.

Trust me, if you aren't having fun with the game, then don't play it. It is serving LITERALLY ZERO purpose if you aren't enjoying playing. You will be happier NOT playing it.

[thesleepyslam]

Davers, on 06 April 2015 - 03:56 PM, said:

I see why you lost. You had one of those HHoD guys on your team.

THIS GUY KNOWS WHAT'S UP

[KodiakGW]

But, there are so many posts saying Elo/MM is working fine!!!

Yeah, right.

Novakaine, I actually had fun again this weekend. I did play with some CW with other Jade Falcon players. But, on Sunday, I mostly played CW solo. Yes, I had some games where certain teammates were horrendous. Some were obviously not using leveled mechs or ones with decent load outs. For the most part, I had more fun than any of the PUG solo games I've played. Had some wins, had some losses. But I earned lots, and got loyalty points toward my next Faction level (FREE STUFF). Those games seemed better balanced than the PUG solo games.

Yes, the "first come, first serve" CW queue gave me better games than the Elo/MatchMaker system that is supposed to match teams of equal skills. And, yes, I have left all three game types checked. Maybe it is time to ditch it, and do open servers.

[jlawsl]

I think everyone knows how the OP feels. In the same sense, I have notice that in my own experience, a game like this falls on one or two higher skilled players to make kills early to mid game. Usually when I have higher kill/damage games and my team still loses, its because those kills and that damage came later and too many of my team mates already died for the others to get out of camping mode and actually do something. I can agree that lrms probably had a lot to do with the loss, even though they may not have effected the OP. LRMs are the number one cause for a team to get outmaneuvered in the solo queue because people are too afraid to move, especially on this map and caustic.

Everyone thinks the lrms are going to dry up until they find that the "incoming missile" alarm was going off for some lrm5 kintaros and kit foxes, maybe another mech running 2 larger racks. Point is, they are hiding from imagined damage, that could easily be countered. Now, if you run into a team running warhawk Bs, lrm stormcrows, stalkers and awsome lrm boats, then you may truly be suppressed without many means of countering the barrage, but this map tends to favor outside movement. Teams that camp their spawn ridge or rush the center, get pinned down or trapped in a valley then just get picked off one at a time.

But, sometimes, teams just suck. I play almost exclusively solo queues and find that you win some and get stuck with some weird teams at times.

[Novakaine]

thesleepyslam, on 06 April 2015 - 06:11 PM, said:

THIS GUY KNOWS WHAT'S UP

Coming from a naked pink eagle that's laughable.

[Ryllen Kriel]

I was in a brutally bad PUG earlier today myself, no screenshots but it was a 1-12 defeat. Crimson Strait Skirmish, beginning of the round I type as we drop "Everyone group up." and the team spreads out all over the place and promptly dies in about five minutes with me jumping around like a spider monkey to avoid the nearly untouched rest of the team. I only did about 250 damage, but I did the second most damage on my team (pathetic!).

Some days you just end up dropping with people that don't listen and want to run off and die, that's MWO. Outside of team drops, there's no way to PUG in peace. I'm not sure ELO even works sometimes.

[DivineEvil]

I can't feel your pain, unfortunately. European prime-time is almost never that bad. Whenever I play in US time frame, it feels like my elo is halved. I actually played at night on some Tournaments just for the sole purpose of having easier time melting faces off from US playerbase. The pings for the people are smaller, but it doesn't seem to make any difference.

Edited by DivineEvil, 06 April 2015 - 10:30 PM.

[Ryllen Kriel]

I just finished a map with a guy playing a Commando. I was in spectator mode after taking out a Hunchback and eating an enemy LRM swarm and so I watched this guy in Frozen City with his singular LRM 5. He wasn't twenty meters from the spawn, using his LRM 5 the entire round, never took any damage, he did a whopping 29 damage total. Good team effort!

I am not sure about it being an "easier time melting faces off from US playerbase." I play at odd times some days and It's easy enough to find rough PUGs from any region of the world. Such comments are unwelcome. Every region/nationality likely has a similar percentage of good and bad players unless someone wants to accurately compile huge quantities numbers and statistics.

[parman01]

Hasn't the matchmaker been broken like this for ages? Like 90% of the games you either get wiped 2-12 or roflstomp enemy team 12-2. It's almost a miracle if you get balanced game that ends in something like 12-9 or 12-10.

[Unnatural Growth]

Novakaine, on 06 April 2015 - 05:11 PM, said:

When I'm having the best match of the week and my wife screams there's a spider.
I'll look twice and make sure it's not a 5D.
Then I'll just soldier on.

Ok, that made me shoot coffee onto my monitor!

[TwentyOne]

I just dont understand how some, if not many, players are SO ******* BAD AT THIS GAME. HOW CAN YOU ONLY DO 50 DAMAGE IN AN ASSAULT MECH. THAT'S LIKE 1 ALPHA. Why does this game have such aweful players. If you go play a game like battlefield, the worst guy on the team still has 5 kills and 20 deaths.

[Novakaine]

OldOrgandonor, on 07 April 2015 - 02:39 AM, said:

Ok, that made me shoot coffee onto my monitor!

Lol sorry man

[Lily from animove]

use srms's LRM's are poop don't level with them. lrm's menas you ahve to rely on teammates lockign for you and stuff or you go into places quite unhealthy for a lrm boat.

[Joseph Mallan]

Apnu, on 06 April 2015 - 03:59 PM, said:

This happens to me all the time. MWO PUGs are feast or famine. The MM isn't working right, but PGI is too consumed with CW stuff to look at it.

MM is working fine. Its the players not playing as a team that causes games like that. I was in a rough game over the weekend, We were rolled by a team that stuck together and fought better than we did. MM cannot manage how WE as players work together. Complaints like Novakaine's is just players wanting their hand held so they don't have to face the reality that sometimes... they will get their butt kicked.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 07 April 2015 - 05:23 AM.

[Alienized]

sadly, it never been as extreme as it is of lately, especially when you try to level mechs.
thats the most pathetic experience you can get.
tried to skill up my highlanders. nothing but losses. 6 in row. then switched to other mechs and it continued.
until *i* FINALLY found a *decent* team....

[Firelizard]

Lily from animove, on 07 April 2015 - 03:29 AM, said:

use srms's LRM's are poop don't level with them. lrm's menas you ahve to rely on teammates lockign for you and stuff or you go into places quite unhealthy for a lrm boat.

Or you use Artemis and fire from the second line/over an ally's shoulder. I run an Adder like that with reasonable results.

[Raggedyman]

Novakaine, on 06 April 2015 - 03:36 PM, said:

This what I do with lurms you preening popinjay.


or this....

so you got steamed 12/2 and that's bad but then you steamed 3/12 and that's good?

can someone explain that to me really slowly....