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[Xetelian]

If I need 10 let me put them in the Engine.
If I don't need 10, it'd be great.

[Durant Carlyle]

Dirus Nigh, on 08 April 2015 - 11:54 AM, said:

Also lower rated engines do not have the gyro weight added to them. Engines above 250 do.

You must be calculating wrong. The engine weights in MW:O include the cockpit (3 tons), the gyro (engine rating divided by 100, round up), and the 10 heat sink requirement. This goes for each and every engine.

TT:
100 STD = 3 tons
6 required heat sinks = 0 tons
Gyro = 1 ton
Cockpit = 3 tons
Total = 7 tons

MW:O:
100 STD = 1 ton
6 required heat sinks = 6 tons
Gyro = 0 tons
Cockpit = 0 tons
Total = 7 tons

And no, there should be no exceptions to the 10 heat sink requirement.

[Khobai]

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What I'm NOT okay with is the TT rule that sub-250 engines can't fit all 10 sinks on the inside.

This. They should allow sub-250 engines to fit 10 heatsinks internally. Just make them weigh more so the overall weight stays the same.

So a 225 engine should weigh +1 ton but have 10 internal heatsinks instead of 9.

a 200 should weigh +2 tons but have 10 internal heatsinks instead of 8.

a 175 should weigh +3 tons but have 10 internal heatinks instead of 7.

And so on...


Mechs that use sub-250 engines are all in a pretty bad place and this change would give them a miniscule buff.

Edited by Khobai, 13 April 2015 - 08:26 PM.

[Dirus Nigh]

Durant Carlyle, on 13 April 2015 - 07:50 PM, said:

You must be calculating wrong. The engine weights in MW:O include the cockpit (3 tons), the gyro (engine rating divided by 100, round up), and the 10 heat sink requirement. This goes for each and every engine.

Na, It's just been two years sense I bothered to really look at were the numbers were coming from. I assumed they put the cockpit weight on the internal structure.

[Alex Morgaine]

My trash cans are fine with shs or even dhs x 10 (-engine mounted).
It just feels like people just want a 20t dwf some days.

Edited by Frosty Brand, 13 April 2015 - 08:28 PM.

[Khobai]

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My trash cans are fine with shs or even dhs x 10 (-engine mounted).
It just feels like people just want a 20t dwf some days.

im sure your trashcan is fine.

its more to benefit commandos and locusts.

[Agent 0 Fortune]

Durant Carlyle, on 13 April 2015 - 07:50 PM, said:

You must be calculating wrong. The engine weights in MW:O include the cockpit (3 tons), the gyro (engine rating divided by 100, round up), and the 10 heat sink requirement. This goes for each and every engine.

And no, there should be no exceptions to the 10 heat sink requirement.

I'd be ok with that if all heat sinks were created equal, get rid of the 2.0x and 1.4x value.
If you want to talk about exceptions lets talk about why some mechs receive 20 cooling for their 10 tons of heat sinks and others get 15.8 for the same 10 tons.

[stjobe]

Khobai, on 13 April 2015 - 08:32 PM, said:

its more to benefit commandos and locusts.

My XL195 Commando has 10 DHS. Anyone care to guess what its heat capacity and dissipation values are?

They should be 20 and 2.0, right?

It's 18.2 and 1.82.

Why? Because a 195-rated engine only comes with 7 heat sinks, so I have to add 3 external sinks. These external sinks are FauxDubs with 1.4 heat capacity instead of 2.0 like the ones that come with the engine. 7x2 + 3x1.4 != 10x2.

Now one might argue that losing 9% heat capacity and dissipation isn't such a big deal, and I might even agree. But can anyone - anyone at all - tell me a good reason why this should be?

It's a silly, pointless, mean-spirited punishment that adds zero value to the game.

IIRC DHS were set to 1.4 instead of 2.0 because PGI was afraid of what the fabled 3-second Jenner could do with "true" 2.0 DHS. The fun part, of course, is that no Jenner runs with a sub-250 engine and therefore never gets hit by the FauxDubs unless they want to.

In the meantime us Commando pilots were scratching our heads wondering why they punish US for something they were afraid the pilots of the already superior Jenner would benefit from?

Also, with proper BT-style heat penalties that start at say 40-50% heat, none of this would be necessary.

[Sorbic]

Frosty Brand, on 13 April 2015 - 08:28 PM, said:

My trash cans are fine with shs or even dhs x 10 (-engine mounted).
It just feels like people just want a 20t dwf some days.

The keyword here is "my". Also, no people (well most) don't want a 20t dw. However a HS system that made some sort of since would be nice. Go look at the radiator on a 600cc motorcycle. Then go look at a beefy v8's radiator and take note of how the bigger motor needs more cooling than the small one...

Hell, it doesn't even have to have all of the HS's be internal. Just give 1 or 2 HS slots when it's a small engine. Maybe make HS's on small motors only take up 2 slots. I don't know what's best but the current system is just silly.