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[One Medic Army]

It's only pay to win if they're better (ahem, Misery, looking at you).

Pay-2-Win is paying money to get an advantage over other players, which is different than having additional options. Additional options are only P2W if they're upgrades rather than side grades.

Hero variants aren't (generally speaking) any better than non-hero variants.

[Mcgral18]

Name each pay only variant that is better.


Dragon Slayer? Misery?
Ember isn't that robot anymore.


PGI has done a pretty good job on keeping them in line. One isn't obnoxiously better than anything you can buy with Cbills.

[Metus regem]

Mcgral18, on 11 April 2015 - 11:41 PM, said:

Name each pay only variant that is better.


Dragon Slayer? Misery?
Ember isn't that robot anymore.


PGI has done a pretty good job on keeping them in line. One isn't obnoxiously better than anything you can buy with Cbills.

I'd say that the Wang is the best centurion hands down...

[sneeking]

Which hero/champions are better than their standard variants ?

Please do tell, there are only one or two perhaps but even that is subjective.

[Metus regem]

MessyBopzz, on 11 April 2015 - 11:49 PM, said:

The Panther mech is only available through MC.

For now, like the clan mechs, and the King Crab, they will go c-bills in time, just wait. Right now, I'd call them "Pay to use early", and well I think that's fair, as people putting money into MWO, should get something out of it, so that we actually have a game to play.

[sneeking]

Resistance mechs will come, we only paid for early access, and they aint op p2w in any way.

In fact panther has been slowed down and made more like clan light than glitch twitch IS light of the past.

[One Medic Army]

MessyBopzz, on 11 April 2015 - 11:49 PM, said:

True, not obnoxiously better - but still - I don't want to pay money to outfit my spider mech with 2 energy weapons and 2 ballistic weapons. This is just one example of many.

The Panther mech is only available through MC.

The sad thing is that for the spider, it's pay to be worse. Same for quite a few of the hero mechs. If you want a jumping light with 2B and 2E there are other options that are more effective (Firestarter H, Raven 4X).

[sneeking]

Anyway, are you really new here or just a new account ?

If ya really are new then perhaps you're not qualified to make assessment on mechs behind the pay wall and what they offer ( in general ) above standard variants.

If you're not new then you're trolling because we all know there is little advantage other than stacking rewards from a hero with preem time at what is quite often the cost of a niche play style.

[One Medic Army]

MessyBopzz, on 12 April 2015 - 12:04 AM, said:

The sad thing is that this statement dodges my points entirely.
I think there should be less variants to the mechs., and make more loadouts available for free.

There's only 1 variant per chassis that's a "hero mech" (only available for MC). Every other variant in the game is available for free. (Or will be available for free)

The majority of mechs are either available for cbills, or will be available for cbills (every non-hero)

For example, there are 34 inner sphere light variants, of those 6 are heroes. Of those heroes only 2 are actually good, with 2 more as passable.

Edited by One Medic Army, 12 April 2015 - 12:10 AM.

[sneeking]

nothing about a 5k ( unless its a 5kc ) costs real money.

Its all space bucks, play earn spend learn and win.

How is any of that pay to win ?

Its more like play to win

[Durant Carlyle]

Messy is saying "pay" when referring to C-Bills.

That is confusing some people, who thought "pay" referred to real money.

[Destructicus]

Look you guys, somebody complaining about the monetization of this game!
This is new!

loljk

Suck it up
Hero mechs are very hit or miss
If you really think mechs like Pretty Baby are p2w just because it's behind a paywall then you suck at this game

[One Medic Army]

MessyBopzz, on 12 April 2015 - 12:11 AM, said:

Because of hardpoints, I either have to buy a new engine for my current spider or buy a new spider. I bought the 5k at first.

May I suggest using http://mwo.smurfy-net.de to plan your mech builds before buying them. You can also consult http://metamechs.com to see what variants are worthless (like the 5K).

Im not exactly getting the logic behind hardpoints making you need to buy a new engine for your spider.

Also, for every single mech you ever buy (this includes most of the "hero" mechs) you should expect to spend 5-10million fitting it out. Double heatsinks for 1.5 million, endosteel structure, new engine, new/additional weapons, possibly ferro armor.

If you want a mech that is low CBill cost, light mechs aren't the place to start, look for medium mechs that can get away with Standard engines.

[bad arcade kitty]

imo the most pay 2 win side of mwo it's not selling hero mechs or the new stuff till it's hot for the real money only, those mechs may be nice but they are not especially op, the most pay 2 win moment of mwo is a bit less clear, it's the multiple upgrades and also skill trees which demand you to either spend a lot of time to earn c-bills to get a mech on the level with others or to buy stuff with real money, even c-bill only weapon/equipment since you can convert mc to c-bills (also you can convert exp to gxp for mc). generally speaking any limited access to playable assets which can be bought with real money is p2w even if you can buy those assets with game money too. it's a choice either you win right now or you grind (possibly losing to others) and win then, so it's like p2w right now. but it is a soft version of p2w (depending on the grindiness) and basically any mmo/moba has it (dota2 where you have the access to every hero from the very beginning and they are not modified additionally (visual upgrades only) is a huge exception here) so it's not really fair to blame mwo for it. albeit it's rather on the grindy side... imo they would better sell more cute color schemes or something and decreased the grindiness a bit, but may be the audience of this game don't like this stuff enough to justify such a turn... dunno

[sneeking]

Lol then he is complaining about playing

he wants to just have everything without making any effort...

Perhaps then he should pay ( real money ) and not play.

[stjobe]

Generally speaking, the 'mech chassis in this game come in three variants:
* 3 (or more) standard variants (available for CB and MC)
* 1 Champion variant (available as trial 'mech and for MC)
* 1 Hero variant (only available for MC)

For new chassis, they usually become available for pre-order (cash) for a month or more, then for MC for a month, and finally for CB.

The thinking is that you'll try out the Champion variant when it's a trial 'mech, love it to bits and buy that Champion for MC, realize you need to progress up the Pilot Skill tree, so you buy two (or more) of the 3 standard variants so you can grind them, and then hopefully at some point decide you like the chassis enough to buy the Hero for MC.

Please note that while MWO is a F2P game, not everything in it is free. Devs gotta eat too, as the saying goes

Edited by stjobe, 12 April 2015 - 12:32 AM.

[HlynkaCG]

MessyBopzz, on 11 April 2015 - 11:49 PM, said:

The Panther mech is only available through MC.

It will be out for CBills later this month.

[LordNothing]

most of the mechs eventually become available for cbills. goes mech pack->mc->cb. when you buy a mech pack all you are really paying for is a few months of exclusive access and some other goodies, most of it eventually becomes earnable.

the only things you need real money for is the heros, mech bays, premium time and vanity items (which you can totally do without). with the bonuses from cw ranking and events, its entirely possible to save up enough mc for most of that stuff (or win some of it). you probibly wont be able to unlock everything in the game, but at least you can play with some of that stuff. it helps to keep an eye out for sales.

ive been doing that for several months now. im sitting on like 1800mc that i did not pay for (though i did buy about $80 in mc before i got fed up by the lack of new content). probibly will buy another hero after a few more events and faction trees.

also if you think paying money will make this game any less grindy. then you thought wrong. you dont just buy the mech, you have to master the mech, which means you need to buy 3 of them. then equipment (and usually by mech 10 you have one of everything). then you need to grind for gxp to get modules, and cbills to buy them. after all that you might get somewhat competitive. if you want to do less of the outfitting, consider going clan mechs. you can mix and match their firing points with omnipods, and of course you dont have to buy all those expensive upgrades, they are fixed on the clans, the tradeoff is more expensive cost of course. just another day in the skinner box.

Edited by LordNothing, 12 April 2015 - 12:55 AM.

[One Medic Army]

MessyBopzz, on 12 April 2015 - 12:28 AM, said:

Much appreciated, this should be made known to new MWO players but I can see how the devs aren't likely to do that themselves.

This I understand

Thanks for the tip

Let's just say you're not the first to run afoul of the "new player experience", or lack thereof. People have been harping on PGI to make getting into the game easier, to put in tutorials and the like. At least you only bought a spider, some people spent their newbie cash on an Atlas, then learned that assaults are probably the class that most demands situational awareness (not newbie friendly) to not get stomped in.

Btw, lights aren't generally newbie friendly either, stick to mediums/heavies to start.

You'll also get more help if you start out asking advice, rather than talking about P2W.

[sneeking]

MessyBopzz, on 12 April 2015 - 12:25 AM, said:

I didn't pay real money for the spider 5k I just wasted all my c bills

You're cadet bonus wasted ? Lol

So did I, so did I

But I got over it.

5k was actually my first mech also ( thought id made a huge mistake ) then I went into centurions mastered those, then went back to my 5k and became a light pilot.

Its taken me two years.

Durant Carlyle, on 12 April 2015 - 12:22 AM, said:

Messy is saying "pay" when referring to C-Bills.

That is confusing some people, who thought "pay" referred to real money.

Ok, im understanding this guy more now, thanks for stepping in and interpreting for him.