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[Metus regem]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 April 2015 - 02:05 PM, said:

learn to play hardmode like me....stock SMN-P baby! Carry Harder!

But I went that route....

VIndy's (Still like my Centurions better)
Awesomes
Non 1N Dragons
Locusts....

Edited by Metus regem, 14 April 2015 - 02:07 PM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Abisha, on 14 April 2015 - 11:40 AM, said:

true story.
so many times i walk into a ambush for not having map Intel.
i will never understand how ECM can counter Satellite images.
ECM on it's own is already powerful to counter and disable a whole weapon system

Do our sensors work by satellite imaging? Does each faction have satellites orbiting every planet? If it was satellite imaging wouldn't we have doritos far beyond max sensor range?


I don't think our Mech sensors rely on satellite imaging at all is my point.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 14 April 2015 - 02:13 PM.

[TexAce]

Mister Raven, on 13 April 2015 - 12:35 PM, said:

public matches to me are like toilet paper.

im not sure how that works but im not gonna think about it too much.

also pubbers never listen.

Are you not realizing you are the problem? You are the kind of pugger everybody hates and you give us the bad name while doing the stuff nobody wants to see in pug matches.

Thanks alot *******.
Now your opinion is like toilet paper to me.

Edited by TexAss, 14 April 2015 - 02:59 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

Gyrok, on 14 April 2015 - 05:24 AM, said:

Only terrible pilots with poor situational awareness cannot keep track of what units are where on the battlefield.

I am not preoccupied with anything when I am trading with another mech, and I am not standing in the open when I am not shooting.

Been living that PUGlife for too long?

If you had read the thread, you would realize how redundant your first two sentences are. But I'm feeling [slightly] magnanimous, so I'll break it down for you:

• Only an idiot or a suitably fast light engages in trading shots alone at range
  
• Because you aren't trading shots alone, your target may be looking at one of your friends instead of you, and thus not see the PPC blast arriving
  
• Holding a burn on a target precludes you the option of dodging, because doing so throws off your aim and causes spread or wasted damage.

I know for a fact that you, personally, are neither fast enough nor have the appropriate levels of situational awareness to consistently dodge a PPC shot as demonstrated by your poor showings against me and mine. You can't even hold a steady enough burn while running with a pulse-equipped Firestarter to give me confidence that you can juke a shot without also interrupting the longer burn times of your Clan 'Mechs, and you and your unit have a tendency to either wander straight into traps or otherwise single-mindedly pursue a small cluster of targets while ignoring your flanks.

So, really, you are in no position to even begin lecturing me on how good or bad the ERPPC is in a long-range trade. You are not close enough to the top levels of play for realizing these kinds of fringe benefits to even be on your radar.

[Gas Guzzler]

Yeonne Greene, on 15 April 2015 - 08:51 PM, said:

So, really, you are in no position to even begin lecturing me on how good or bad the ERPPC is in a long-range trade. You are not close enough to the top levels of play for realizing these kinds of fringe benefits to even be on your radar.

Who are you? Are you like some comp team champion or something?

I doubt it, because those guys wouldn't advocate that slow ER PPCs trade as well as quirked ER LLs..

[Y E O N N E]

Gas Guzzler, on 15 April 2015 - 09:07 PM, said:

Who are you? Are you like some comp team champion or something?

I doubt it, because those guys wouldn't advocate that slow ER PPCs trade as well as quirked ER LLs..

Spoiler

Does it matter? Does one have to be amazing to know when another player isn't as amazing as he's implying he is? If you see Sebastian Vettel routinely miss clear passing opportunities during a race, do you have to be an amazing F1 driver to know that he's not on his A-game anymore? No, you don't.

But I'll entertain your question. Who am I? I am a casual player who started playing last February with something of an obsession with Locusts or otherwise only playing 'Mechs I find pretty. I make them all work well enough to be useful, regardless of reputation. Although it eventually dropped in the closing hours, after only four hours of play for the entire weekend I had obtained and maintained a visible position on the Locust leader-board the last time we had chassis tournaments, and I got there through the less efficient route of earning my own kills instead of stealing final blows. I'm currently in Triarii, and I've been in BWC, WBH, and the now-defunct MTAC. I also drop with CROW and IFF (the Steiner guys, I think that's their tag) with regularity. Although getting outclassed is not unheard of for me and I have strings of bad games same as everybody else, I'm no slouch. I've been in many, many games against CWDG in large and small groups. Gyrok can typically be found leading charges, mostly in meta-built assault and heavy 'Mechs, soaking damage with his face for better or worse. Pushing is his game, and that's what he does best. I only recall two losses to his unit: once on Tourmaline last August while I was with an MTAC 4-man against a CWDG 12-man and once on Crimson Straights in a CROW 7-man against a CWDG 10-man. Why should I remember that? Because Gyrok's polarizing posts on these forums makes games with his unit memorable in the same way that SeanLang's status with PGI makes those games memorable.

I don't bear him any ill-will, but I see so much nit-picking of what does or doesn't make a good robot on these forums based on the assessments of those players who are at the top and a whole heaping of confirmation bias. It is baffling to me when a player who has demonstrated an inability to defend against my play-style choices starts acting patronizing toward me on the subject of what does and doesn't work while simultaneously ignoring the conditionals.

Now, if we're done with the wanking contest, I'd like to be clear:

What I'm not doing is claiming the PPC to be outright superior. What I am doing is stating that it isn't so terrible that even your above average player can easily avoid getting shot by it, meaning it still has utility if you can aim well enough. I even openly admit that I am a so-so shot with it, but that it works out just fine for me in CW. I may sometimes come off as a pompous a** in-game and on the forums, but I know and recognize my limits. What you and he can't seem to grasp is the concept that somebody can have an experience different from yours even within those limits. You don't like using the ERPPC for whatever reason? Great, more power to you. But it has served me just fine, and whole teams still get demolished in CW by coordinated PPC fire. If I were to get into competitive play and get really good at it, I'm sure I would say that PPCs are total trash. But I'm not there, and neither is he, and so I'm calling him out.

[Gyrok]

Yeonne Greene, on 15 April 2015 - 11:07 PM, said:

Spoiler

Does it matter? Does one have to be amazing to know when another player isn't as amazing as he's implying he is? If you see Sebastian Vettel routinely miss clear passing opportunities during a race, do you have to be an amazing F1 driver to know that he's not on his A-game anymore? No, you don't.

But I'll entertain your question. Who am I? I am a casual player who started playing last February with something of an obsession with Locusts or otherwise only playing 'Mechs I find pretty. I make them all work well enough to be useful, regardless of reputation. Although it eventually dropped in the closing hours, after only four hours of play for the entire weekend I had obtained and maintained a visible position on the Locust leader-board the last time we had chassis tournaments, and I got there through the less efficient route of earning my own kills instead of stealing final blows. I'm currently in Triarii, and I've been in BWC, WBH, and the now-defunct MTAC. I also drop with CROW and IFF (the Steiner guys, I think that's their tag) with regularity. Although getting outclassed is not unheard of for me and I have strings of bad games same as everybody else, I'm no slouch. I've been in many, many games against CWDG in large and small groups. Gyrok can typically be found leading charges, mostly in meta-built assault and heavy 'Mechs, soaking damage with his face for better or worse. Pushing is his game, and that's what he does best. I only recall two losses to his unit: once on Tourmaline last August while I was with an MTAC 4-man against a CWDG 12-man and once on Crimson Straights in a CROW 7-man against a CWDG 10-man. Why should I remember that? Because Gyrok's polarizing posts on these forums makes games with his unit memorable in the same way that SeanLang's status with PGI makes those games memorable.

I don't bear him any ill-will, but I see so much nit-picking of what does or doesn't make a good robot on these forums based on the assessments of those players who are at the top and a whole heaping of confirmation bias. It is baffling to me when a player who has demonstrated an inability to defend against my play-style choices starts acting patronizing toward me on the subject of what does and doesn't work while simultaneously ignoring the conditionals.

Now, if we're done with the wanking contest, I'd like to be clear:

What I'm not doing is claiming the PPC to be outright superior. What I am doing is stating that it isn't so terrible that even your above average player can easily avoid getting shot by it, meaning it still has utility if you can aim well enough. I even openly admit that I am a so-so shot with it, but that it works out just fine for me in CW. I may sometimes come off as a pompous a** in-game and on the forums, but I know and recognize my limits. What you and he can't seem to grasp is the concept that somebody can have an experience different from yours even within those limits. You don't like using the ERPPC for whatever reason? Great, more power to you. But it has served me just fine, and whole teams still get demolished in CW by coordinated PPC fire. If I were to get into competitive play and get really good at it, I'm sure I would say that PPCs are total trash. But I'm not there, and neither is he, and so I'm calling him out.

Honestly...

We used to push super aggressively before some changes to the dynamics of clan mechs through heat nerfs.

Now we play mostly mid-range, and sometimes long range, and less often, extremely long range...when we lose in the queue...there are multiple recognizable names on the other side. I cannot recall any drops against you...honestly...that is no slight to you...I have played over 10k matches. Out of all those matches, I vividly recall maybe a handful, and those were mostly against extremely good units.

Now, as far as ERPPCs out trading IS LLs.

A stalker can emerge from cover at 600m and drop an alpha and be back in cover in the .85 sec burn duration on IS lasers...especially a good pilot driving one.

Your CERPPCs will not be there in time to make an impact.

[Gas Guzzler]

Gyrok, on 17 April 2015 - 06:58 AM, said:

Honestly...

We used to push super aggressively before some changes to the dynamics of clan mechs through heat nerfs.

Now we play mostly mid-range, and sometimes long range, and less often, extremely long range...when we lose in the queue...there are multiple recognizable names on the other side. I cannot recall any drops against you...honestly...that is no slight to you...I have played over 10k matches. Out of all those matches, I vividly recall maybe a handful, and those were mostly against extremely good units.

Now, as far as ERPPCs out trading IS LLs.

A stalker can emerge from cover at 600m and drop an alpha and be back in cover in the .85 sec burn duration on IS lasers...especially a good pilot driving one.

Your CERPPCs will not be there in time to make an impact.

Try 1.0 second burn time, where you got .85, I do not know. It will take the stalker more than that to lumber out of cover into position to fire, Stalkers are incredibly easy to hit with PPCs at 600 m. The 800-1000 m range firing on something a lot more agile than a Stalker is what is inefficient.

Maybe with the TBR-A coming out you can stop pushing the Stalker 4N is OP nonsense? Now that you have 3 PERFECT energy hard points.

[Gyrok]

Gas Guzzler, on 17 April 2015 - 07:26 AM, said:

Try 1.0 second burn time, where you got .85, I do not know. It will take the stalker more than that to lumber out of cover into position to fire, Stalkers are incredibly easy to hit with PPCs at 600 m. The 800-1000 m range firing on something a lot more agile than a Stalker is what is inefficient.

Maybe with the TBR-A coming out you can stop pushing the Stalker 4N is OP nonsense? Now that you have 3 PERFECT energy hard points.

Sure, for the $24 the TW-D was I can imagine...?

I may buy one...have to see...

Edited by Gyrok, 17 April 2015 - 07:55 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Gyrok, on 17 April 2015 - 07:55 AM, said:

Sure, for the $24 the TW-D was I can imagine...?

I may buy one...have to see...

Indeed... I will probably wait until it comes out for c-bills

[Revis Volek]

Gas Guzzler, on 17 April 2015 - 07:57 AM, said:

Indeed... I will probably wait until it comes out for c-bills

At long ranges like that the WHK Prime is my go to mech to hit STK's at range. 4 erppc's run OK on that mech now. I was tossing 600 dmg down last night like it was no thang.

TC4 plus Prime arm quirks = 25.5% faster ERPPC Velocity. Give it a shot...those big nosed stalker sure dont like it at range.

But that TBR with the high laser points...im drooling over here.

Edited by DarthRevis, 17 April 2015 - 08:12 AM.

[Abisha]

Gas Guzzler, on 14 April 2015 - 02:12 PM, said:

Do our sensors work by satellite imaging? Does each faction have satellites orbiting every planet? If it was satellite imaging wouldn't we have doritos far beyond max sensor range?


I don't think our Mech sensors rely on satellite imaging at all is my point.

so travel somehow faster then light is more realistic then a deployable satellite... uh hu.....

[Lightfoot]

MWO fears the PPC/ERPPC so they gave them back the heat level that requires full DHS 2.0 to keep cool and slowed the lightning bolt down to the speed of the cool and fast-firing AC10, when the weight and space of PPC/ERPPC's are more than the cooler, faster, AC10 after DHS are added. It's not Balance or Lore it is pure Fear. Fear of what skilled players can do with working PPC/ERPPC.

Damage/ton-wise the Laser will always be the the top DPS, but Lasers are low skill for high damage. You just point&click and are rewarded with greater accuracy for not moving your mech. A noob's dream come true for sure.

[Gas Guzzler]

Abisha, on 17 April 2015 - 08:14 AM, said:

so travel somehow faster then light is more realistic then a deployable satellite... uh hu.....

That only addressed one thing though...


Besides, why would we have things like improved sensor range if we got our target info from a satellite?

How would satellites get loadout information? I mean they are really far away to be sensing that, it would be more feasible to put sensor packages on the mechs themselves, not try to power a receiver to listen to a satellite in stationary orbit, that just doesn't make sense.

Not that alot of things make sense in this game but I have never heard of this satellite uplink system before in any of the books or previous MechWarrior games. I am pretty sure the sensors are always on the mechs.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 17 April 2015 - 08:43 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Lightfoot, on 17 April 2015 - 08:30 AM, said:

MWO fears the PPC/ERPPC so they gave them back the heat level that requires full DHS 2.0 to keep cool and slowed the lightning bolt down to the speed of the cool and fast-firing AC10, when the weight and space of PPC/ERPPC's are more than the cooler, faster, AC10 after DHS are added. It's not Balance or Lore it is pure Fear. Fear of what skilled players can do with working PPC/ERPPC.

Damage/ton-wise the Laser will always be the the top DPS, but Lasers are low skill for high damage. You just point&click and are rewarded with greater accuracy for not moving your mech. A noob's dream come true for sure.

But to let that fear drive us to destroy what hope we have... don't you see? That is madness!

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 17 April 2015 - 09:13 AM.

[CrushLibs]

Prosperity Park, on 13 April 2015 - 10:36 AM, said:

Clan ERPPC weighs less than IS ERPPC, takes up fewer slots, and deals extra damage with no cons whatsoever. It is better than the IS ERPPC in every way with no drawbacks in comparison with the IS ERPPC.

In order to make the game more fair and balanced, they took that extra damage and spread it out to nearby body parts instead of making it all pinpoint. That is very fair. If yo think thebClan ERPPC that deals more damage, weighs less, and takes up fewer slots isn't good enough, then I would love to hear how you feel about IS ERPPCs...

Quirks for cool down , heat generation , and range make up for IS ERPPC shortfalls.

[Gas Guzzler]

CrushLibs, on 17 April 2015 - 09:21 AM, said:

Quirks for cool down , heat generation , and range make up for IS ERPPC shortfalls.

Only on a couple of mechs.

Now clan mechs are getting ER PPC buffs too! See Warhawk and Adder

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 17 April 2015 - 09:25 AM.

[Gyrok]

Gas Guzzler, on 17 April 2015 - 09:24 AM, said:

Only on a couple of mechs.

Now clan mechs are getting ER PPC buffs too! See Warhawk and Adder

Only on a couple of mechs...and I see no -25% heat, 30% velocity type quirks either...even on the badder.

[CptGier]

Gas Guzzler, on 17 April 2015 - 09:24 AM, said:

Only on a couple of mechs.

Now clan mechs are getting ER PPC buffs too! See Warhawk and Adder

I would still rather PGI buffs the damage on the CERPPC......that 10 dmg just isnt worth even firing. NOt when lasers deal all their damage alot easier, alot faster, alot cooler......

[Lightfoot]

Gas Guzzler, on 17 April 2015 - 09:13 AM, said:

But to let that fear drive us to destroy what hope we have... don't you see? That is madness!

I have just kind of given up on PGI making MWO a solid Battle Tech game. They seem to want MWO to be a robot brawling game so they bend the canon of Battle Tech to create that game. To me MechWarrior is not a robot brawler, it's a game of tactics where brawling will occur when the tactics call for it, but the tactics might just as easily call for long range PPCs and Gauss Rifles. It's the not knowing what your opponent will do each match that keeps MechWarrior interesting and alive. Just playing the current forced Laser-Brawl gets old fast.