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[OznerpaG]

from yesterdays town hall:

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Has recently reached out to Harmony Gold. Zero Change. Its less about Harmony Gold now and now about the movie rights that are in Sony's hand. Probably not going to happen, but who knows we might just go for it and change them enough to defend the decision.

from what i understand HG could only license the Robotech storyline and not any of the mecha designs so any Sony movie would not include the original mecha designs. but the possibility of seeing an altered Marauder and Warhammer? could be interesting, even if a modified version of the Marauder would have to be stunning for me to like it...

[Felbombling]

Just grab some intestinal fortitude and have Alex redesign the Mechs so that they are PGI originals and slap the name Marauder, Warhammer, Rifleman, etc. on them. I'm tired of hearing about Harmony Gold says no to this, Harmony Gold says no to that. Screw them if they can't be bothered with profit sharing. At least 99% of the population here understands the situation and the fact that the Mechs cannot resemble the Harmony Gold licenced product. Just wing it already.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

StaggerCheck, on 17 April 2015 - 11:00 AM, said:

Just grab some intestinal fortitude and have Alex redesign the Mechs so that they are PGI originals and slap the name Marauder, Warhammer, Rifleman, etc. on them. I'm tired of hearing about Harmony Gold says no to this, Harmony Gold says no to that. Screw them if they can't be bothered with profit sharing. At least 99% of the population here understands the situation and the fact that the Mechs cannot resemble the Harmony Gold licenced product. Just wing it already.

You have no idea of the shitstorm the "Old Guard" would cause on the forums if they didn't use the original design...

[Revis Volek]

Lord Scarlett Johan, on 17 April 2015 - 11:29 AM, said:

You have no idea of the shitstorm the "Old Guard" would cause on the forums if they didn't use the original design...

They can shitstorm all they want, no amount of **** tossing from fanboys would be enough for me to try and do something illegal.

[Metus regem]

Lord Scarlett Johan, on 17 April 2015 - 11:29 AM, said:

You have no idea of the shitstorm the "Old Guard" would cause on the forums if they didn't use the original design...

At this point, I think a lot of us 'old guard' may want something with the right feel, less the right looks... since you know, we don really see our mechs anyways... Well if you've gone beyond using third person....

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

DarthRevis, on 17 April 2015 - 11:32 AM, said:

They can shitstorm all they want, no amount of **** tossing from fanboys would be enough for me to try and do something illegal.

Which is why PGI won't touch them. They can get into a lawsuit with HG, they can use the Reseens and have their forums burned to the ground, or they can just ignore the existence of the Macross Mechs.

The best one for business is option 3.

Metus regem, on 17 April 2015 - 11:34 AM, said:

At this point, I think a lot of us 'old guard' may want something with the right feel, less the right looks... since you know, we don really see our mechs anyways... Well if you've gone beyond using third person....

Judging by the large swath of posts from "Old Guard" in the topics covering the Unseen, you'd be an exception and not a rule. The vast majority won't accept anything but the Macross Mechs.

[Nova Cameron]

WizKids and FanPro did a complete make over of the Unseen way back in 2003. Titled under Project Phoenix it rebuilt all the mechs in the unseen category. I think that the new mech designs fit in much much better to the BT universe than the poor amine knockoffs that just look outdated and wrong. PGI can use the Project Phoenix mechs for the game. I know old ppl will complain but honestly I think it is good to dump the Harmony Gold crap mechs and get shiny new mechs that look like mechs and not gundams.

[Metus regem]

Lord Scarlett Johan, on 17 April 2015 - 11:41 AM, said:

Which is why PGI won't touch them. They can get into a lawsuit with HG, they can use the Reseens and have their forums burned to the ground, or they can just ignore the existence of the Macross Mechs.

The best one for business is option 3.



Judging by the large swath of posts from "Old Guard" in the topics covering the Unseen, you'd be an exception and not a rule. The vast majority won't accept anything but the Macross Mechs.

I've said before, if they were to use something like the Warhammer IIC4 as a base to work from for a MWO warhammer, it'd be a good place to start...

If I were to do it, well I'd use the fallowing 'parts' to splice it together... now I'm no photo shop wizard... so yea, imagination time!

CT/head -- use the center torso 'head' of the Dire Wolf.
ST's -- look to the Orion for these, a good place to start
Arms -- again look to the Orion
Legs -- Urbi

I think that could make a nice looking place to start for a Warhammer...

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Metus regem, on 17 April 2015 - 11:46 AM, said:

I've said before, if they were to use something like the Warhammer IIC4 as a base to work from for a MWO warhammer, it'd be a good place to start...

If I were to do it, well I'd use the fallowing 'parts' to splice it together... now I'm no photo shop wizard... so yea, imagination time!

CT/head -- use the center torso 'head' of the Dire Wolf.
ST's -- look to the Orion for these, a good place to start
Arms -- again look to the Orion
Legs -- Urbi

I think that could make a nice looking place to start for a Warhammer...

I was thinking for the Whammy of using the Hellbringer as the base. Just take the Hellbringer and make it look older and more IS-ish. Especially since the Hellbringer in TT was essentially a clan tech Whammy.

For the Marauder, it'd take a mixture of inspiration from the Catapult and Cataphract. Mostly because the Phract was pieced from Marauder parts. And the Cat because of the hunched over "bird of prey" feel it has.

Or we could get Alex to work his magic with the Reseens. He's done a fantastic job with everything so far.

[Metus regem]

Lord Scarlett Johan, on 17 April 2015 - 11:54 AM, said:

I was thinking for the Whammy of using the Hellbringer as the base. Just take the Hellbringer and make it look older and more IS-ish. Especially since the Hellbringer in TT was essentially a clan tech Whammy.

For the Marauder, it'd take a mixture of inspiration from the Catapult and Cataphract. Mostly because the Phract was pieced from Marauder parts. And the Cat because of the hunched over "bird of prey" feel it has.

Or we could get Alex to work his magic with the Reseens. He's done a fantastic job with everything so far.

Very true, but if you are unfamiliar with the Warhammer IIC 4, well here is an image



See how 'easy' it would be to re-use assets that are already found in game, using the parts I mentioned...

[Mars2]

Metus regem, on 17 April 2015 - 11:34 AM, said:

At this point, I think a lot of us 'old guard' may want something with the right feel, less the right looks... since you know, we don really see our mechs anyways... Well if you've gone beyond using third person....

I am part of that "old guard" and I say just give me something with the same feel and to heck with the looks! I have seen so rockin new designs so I say go for it!

[Bishop Steiner]

Lord Scarlett Johan, on 17 April 2015 - 11:29 AM, said:

You have no idea of the shitstorm the "Old Guard" would cause on the forums if they didn't use the original design...

Eh, I'm older guard then most of them, and don't give a crap. I want my Warhammer.

[FupDup]

I'll probably eat some flak for this, but I honestly think that many of the unseens looked terrible anyways. Being redesigned would be an improvement, provided that we didn't just use the reseen art (which is almost as bad or sometimes even worse).

[Bishop Steiner]

FupDup, on 17 April 2015 - 12:13 PM, said:

I'll probably eat some flak for this, but I honestly think that many of the unseens looked terrible anyways. Being redesigned would be an improvement, provided that we didn't just use the reseen art (which is almost as bad or sometimes even worse).

Reseen Whammy is the ugliest Whammy ever. What was used as the WHM-IIC shoulda been the Whammy.

[Dawnstealer]

I, too, am incredibly ancient and would be fine with something that gets the "feel" right. Like a lot of you, the old Macross mechs never really fit the BT meta in looks, so something redesigned would be just fine by me.

[Gagis]

The MWO concept artist is so inredibly good that he could probably draw a **** on a stick, call it Marauder and I'd be so impressed of his genious design that I wouldn't even remember what Marauders used to look like in the past.

[Kain Demos]

I have seen multiple reports of what the official "test" to pass without litigation from HG is with the most popular one being the supposed "silhouette test".

If the bar is truly that low they should be able to make something that at least pays tribute to the original designs but looks like it fits in with what we have here.

Edited by Kain Thul, 17 April 2015 - 12:17 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Kain Thul, on 17 April 2015 - 12:17 PM, said:

I have seen multiple reports of what the official "test" to pass without litigation from HG is with the most popular one being the supposed "silhouette test".

If the bar is truly that low they should be able to make something that at least pays tribute to the original designs but looks like it fits in with what we have here.

It's not what would actually win in a court of law, it's finding something so different that HG won't put out a frivolous suit. Because the threat of a lawsuit PGI cannot even afford to fight.

If the Bar was that low, the Macross Unseen would be prominently reseen and featured under the new stuff.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 17 April 2015 - 12:20 PM.

[Senor Cataclysmo]

If *anyone* can make the reseens look sexy it's Alex. I wouldn't trust anyone else to redesign them to satisfy legal requirements and still keep the spirit of the originals.

Edited by Senor Cataclysmo, 17 April 2015 - 12:20 PM.

[Agent 0 Fortune]

If fear of Harmony Gold was keeping PGI in check before, there is no way they are prepared to go up against Sony, who may actually have a vested interest in the video game rights to Robotech.

And if PGI does go ahead, and deviates too far from the source material, they would lose the nostalgia aspect of the mechs. And lets face it, a Marauder with a new skin is just an Orion. And the Warhammer is just a reskinned Catapult/Cataphract.