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[Gyrok]

Bishop Steiner, on 21 April 2015 - 01:06 PM, said:

Another very legitimate possibility is that Clantech users recieved a massive boost to their Elo during the Wave 1 paywall era, artificially inflating their Elo due the how significantly better clan tech was.

Want an insight into Elo? Look here where the teams top 15 players are rated and ranked by Elo, http://challonge.com...iorS1/standings

I see ONE clan unit. And they were excellent even prior to Clantech. You can stop saying Clanners have higher average Elo now, the data that PGI released that was used for this just disproved your little theory

Really?

EmpyreaL
SJR
CSJ
Restless Adders
Antares Scorpions
MercStar - (not sure which one is the clan unit)

Hmm...nah...no clan units in there at all...especially not the top 3 seeds.

Edited by Gyrok, 21 April 2015 - 02:03 PM.

[Adiuvo]

Gyrok, on 21 April 2015 - 02:02 PM, said:

Really?

EmpyreaL
SJR
CSJ
Restless Adders
Antares Scorpions
MercStar - (not sure which one is the clan unit)

Hmm...nah...no clan units in there at all...especially not the top 3 seeds.

We're not a clan unit, we don't even play CW. SJR switches between factions constantly.

I don't think CSJx plays CW either.

[Bishop Steiner]

Gyrok, on 21 April 2015 - 02:02 PM, said:

Really?

EmpyreaL
SJR
CSJ
Restless Adders
Antares Scorpions
MercStar - (not sure which one is the clan unit)

Hmm...nah...no clan units in there at all...especially not the top 3 seeds.

all those units have changed faction based on meta. Except maybe 228.

Gyrok, on 21 April 2015 - 02:02 PM, said:

Really?

EmpyreaL
SJR
CSJ
Restless Adders
Antares Scorpions
MercStar - (not sure which one is the clan unit)

Hmm...nah...no clan units in there at all...especially not the top 3 seeds.

Lso why are you attributing that to me? That was Scarlett Johan. If you are going to post something at least get your facts straight.

[Summon3r]

Adiuvo, on 21 April 2015 - 02:05 PM, said:

We're not a clan unit, we don't even play CW. SJR switches between factions constantly.

I don't think CSJx plays CW either.

does anyone play CW anymore

[Fate 6]

Sandersson Jankins, on 21 April 2015 - 01:35 PM, said:

Of course I'm able to comment on balance! I'm a thoughtful and active player.

a player that has never set foot in a clan-mech

That's the problem right there. You are commenting on clan mechs without having played one.

You might have good ideas on IS mechs, though.

[Kin3ticX]

These things will sell like hotcakes

Gyrok wrong about everything as usual.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Bishop Steiner, on 21 April 2015 - 02:07 PM, said:

all those units have changed faction based on meta. Except maybe 228.


Lso why are you attributing that to me? That was Scarlett Johan. If you are going to post something at least get your facts straight.

Not even so much as that as they do what most units do and switch between the Clans and IS on a set schedule.

[Roadkill]

Repasy, on 21 April 2015 - 01:15 PM, said:

This is some good insight into ELO. If what you say is true, perhaps it's time for elo to be reset once we move into CW Beta 2.

Two problems with that:

1) Elo isn't used in CW, so there's no point in "resetting" Elo ratings as we move into CW Beta 2.

2) Elo ratings are continuously self-correcting, so there's no point in "resetting" Elo at all.

Not sure where this is suddenly coming from, but it serves no purpose to reset Elo ratings. Within 50 or so games you'll be right back to where you are now, but with the side effect of chaos until everyone has played those 50 games.

[Lightfoot]

Gas Guzzler, on 21 April 2015 - 08:51 AM, said:

Pros don't use IS mechs save for lights. They use Stormcrows, Timber Wolves and Dire Wolves. I'm sure they just do that because they want to play at a disadvantage...

I am not talking about PUGs. I am talking about CW mostly. When an I.S. faction pre-made team goes to CW drops they bring the FotM quirked IS mechs and they are very much the over-powered team. I guess we will see with the Tukkiyad event, but I think PGI is going to be shocked if they think the Clan mechs are the OP mechs. Inner Sphere weaponry is just so much more accurate and cooler running and the Inner Sphere mechs have the larger payloads to carry a boatload. We'll see soon enough.

[Wildstreak]

Currently, I would wonder more about the ECM Griffin that people who cannot spend cash for have to wait who knows how many months to get, there are already some IS players convinced it is needed for CW balance. It will fit nicely into drop decks and is some ECM countering the IS wants but they have to pay cash for it so there will be P2B complaints until it is available for CB.
I also am completely thrown by the Nova-C Right Arm. Compare to other Nova Right Arms, is a 32 armor buff and no hardpoints worth it? How many Nova pilots want a shield arm? Compare to the Nova-C Left Arm that has the same Armor buff, a Ballistic hardpoint and quirks. WTF?
A $2 Locust is not big deal.
Those are the ones that stood out to me, I have not had time to go over the rest though I have to look at the Fox and Adder since I have some of those.

[Sandersson Jankins]

Fate 6, on 21 April 2015 - 02:24 PM, said:

That's the problem right there. You are commenting on clan mechs without having played one.

You might have good ideas on IS mechs, though.

Alright.

So, could you please tell me if my (apparently completely uneducated and illegitimate) opinion is simply wrong?

If you are a proper person to comment on balance, are clan mechs then more powerful than IS mechs? Or the other way around?

Or are they mostly balanced, with small outliers here and there as I claim?

Or do you refuse to enlighten a smelly pleb with enlightened advice from an MWO sage like yourself?

[Ultimax]

Lord Scarlett Johan, on 21 April 2015 - 01:06 PM, said:

Another very legitimate possibility is that Clantech users recieved a massive boost to their Elo during the Wave 1 paywall era, artificially inflating their Elo due the how significantly better clan tech was.

Want an insight into Elo? Look here where the teams top 15 players are rated and ranked by Elo, http://challonge.com...iorS1/standings

I see ONE clan unit. And they were excellent even prior to Clantech. You can stop saying Clanners have higher average Elo now, the data that PGI released that was used for this just disproved your little theory

Too much fun watching Gyrok's elo fantasy get rekt.

Newsflash, the elo tests were in the PUBLIC QUEUES where anyone who wants to win and perform better will likely be clan mech.

That doesn't mean CLAN UNITS have higher elo, it means higher elo players know that the best performing mechs are clan mechs and choose accordingly when its time to make cbills.

Edited by Ultimatum X, 22 April 2015 - 07:40 AM.

[XX Sulla XX]

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That doesn't mean CLAN UNITS have higher elo, it means higher elo players know that the best performing mechs are clan mechs and choose accordingly when its time to make cbills.

Thats it exactly. You could also add win/carry. People brings the to Clan mechs because they are the best mechs in the game.

[Gyrok]

Kin3ticX, on 21 April 2015 - 02:25 PM, said:

These things will sell like hotcakes

Gyrok wrong about everything as usual.

Not seeing them in droves like the last round...played for 3 hours last night, and I did not see but 2-3 TW-A variants all night...and even then, they were running PPCs...LOL! They overheated so fast, and died shortly after....

We shall see...I know of about 5 TW-A mechs they would have sold that they will not sell now...I am sure there are others...

Ultimatum X, on 22 April 2015 - 07:39 AM, said:

Too much fun watching Gyrok's elo fantasy get rekt.

Newsflash, the elo tests were in the PUBLIC QUEUES where anyone who wants to win and perform better will likely be clan mech.

That doesn't mean CLAN UNITS have higher elo, it means higher elo players know that the best performing mechs are clan mechs and choose accordingly when its time to make cbills.

They run you out of reddit with downvotes again because they do not even listen to you there? Why do you always come here where you cannot get downvoted when they run you out of threads over there...?

[Fate 6]

Sandersson Jankins, on 21 April 2015 - 03:06 PM, said:

Alright.

So, could you please tell me if my (apparently completely uneducated and illegitimate) opinion is simply wrong?

If you are a proper person to comment on balance, are clan mechs then more powerful than IS mechs? Or the other way around?

Or are they mostly balanced, with small outliers here and there as I claim?

Or do you refuse to enlighten a smelly pleb with enlightened advice from an MWO sage like yourself?

Timber Wolf, Storm Crow, and Dire Wolf are the best mechs in the game. Most clan mechs are balanced compared to IS (or still better tbh) except these 3 which basically break the game

[Poisoner]

Fate 6, on 22 April 2015 - 09:11 AM, said:

Timber Wolf, Storm Crow, and Dire Wolf are the best mechs in the game. Most clan mechs are balanced compared to IS (or still better tbh) except these 3 which basically break the game

Those mechs do not break the game. The Timberwolf is much easier to kill than a Thunderbolt.

[Torgun]

Poisoner, on 22 April 2015 - 10:08 AM, said:

Those mechs do not break the game. The Timberwolf is much easier to kill than a Thunderbolt.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Gyrok, on 22 April 2015 - 09:04 AM, said:

Not seeing them in droves like the last round...played for 3 hours last night, and I did not see but 2-3 TW-A variants all night...and even then, they were running PPCs...LOL! They overheated so fast, and died shortly after....

We shall see...I know of about 5 TW-A mechs they would have sold that they will not sell now...I am sure there are others...

I dropped into 4 matches and saw 5. I also know people in QQ that bought them. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.

[Gas Guzzler]

I ran into an experienced player running the TBR-A left shoulder. He said he loved it.

Just because you aren't seeing TBR-As doesn't mean people aren't running that omni-pod on their Timber.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 22 April 2015 - 11:27 AM.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Sandersson Jankins, on 21 April 2015 - 03:06 PM, said:

Alright.

So, could you please tell me if my (apparently completely uneducated and illegitimate) opinion is simply wrong?

If you are a proper person to comment on balance, are clan mechs then more powerful than IS mechs? Or the other way around?

Or are they mostly balanced, with small outliers here and there as I claim?

Or do you refuse to enlighten a smelly pleb with enlightened advice from an MWO sage like yourself?

Prequirks, the IS was no match with the exception of the Dragonslayer, Ember, JR7-F, and CTF-3D.

Now with quirks, that gap has been closed tremendously where the IS mechs are on par with a few cases being better. For instance, between the Summoner and CTF post JJ nerf, it was a no brainer until quirks. The Summoner was in every way superior to the CTF. Now with quirks, it's pretty much a toss-up. The Stalkers and Battlemasters were woefully inferior to the Warhawk (which was seen as "bad" because it was competing with the Dire), now with quirks, there is a Stalker that is a touch better than the Warhawks at peekaboo and rest of the Stalkers and Battlemasters are nearly on par.

It's basically right now, the IS doesn't have a heavy or medium to compete with the Timberwolf and Scrow except in one or two very specific edge cases.