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[Kilo 40]

I can't believe all the people here defending a bad game design, only meant to appease a vocal minority of Russ's twitter harassers, while leaving the vast majority of the player base behind. defend it all you want, but the player population numbers in CW speaks for itself. It's driving away players instead of attracting them.

stop blaming those who aren't playing CW as some sort of "me!me!me!" social misfits, and start realizing the design of the mode was a mistake.

[Joseph Mallan]

Kilo 40, on 23 April 2015 - 05:24 AM, said:

I can't believe all the people here defending a bad game design, only meant to appease a vocal minority of Russ's twitter harassers, while leaving the vast majority of the player base behind. defend it all you want, but the player population numbers in CW speaks for itself. It's driving away players instead of attracting them.

stop blaming those who aren't playing CW as some sort of "me!me!me!" social misfits, and start realizing the design of the mode was a mistake.

Or one that just isn't for you.

[Kilo 40]

Joseph Mallan, on 23 April 2015 - 05:54 AM, said:

Or one that just isn't for you.

Not for me....or that rest of the community that isn't playing.

Like I said, the player population numbers speak for itself.

[Almond Brown]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 22 April 2015 - 08:17 AM, said:

piss poor design breeds piss poor play. Who do YOU think should be blamed? Im guessing anyone but poor Brittney... er I mean PGI

Who do you blame when you get 12-0 in PUG games? PGI or the Team? Last I heard Camping happens on both ends. How is that possible when only one end has a Generator that needs to be destroyed? Piss poor Defense is what.

[Almond Brown]

Mystere, on 22 April 2015 - 08:39 AM, said:

Hey, if you keep that line of reasoning, someone might also call you "special".

Or a "2%'r". That would be the percentage of players who actually take some responsibility for their level of play, and not just Hate on PGI for everything, all the time.

[Lexx]

I know the forum mods hate image only posts, but this sums up all I have to say about what happens to PUGs in CW

Edited by Lexx, 23 April 2015 - 06:37 AM.

[Almond Brown]

Cathy, on 22 April 2015 - 12:55 PM, said:

stuff
however I do agree that bribing people to play an event is pretty extreme and just places a beacon on how badly its failed

So PGI's promoting CW is a Bribe? Wow. That glass of yours in quite empty. Is it a bribe when they promote PUG Weekend play too? With Prizes no less?

Just for curiosity. If PGI did not offer any Prizes for the event, would that change the Bribe angle your taking or just change how you would hate on them?

[Almond Brown]

Kilo 40, on 23 April 2015 - 05:24 AM, said:

I can't believe all the people here defending a bad game design, only meant to appease a vocal minority of Russ's twitter harassers, while leaving the vast majority of the player base behind. defend it all you want, but the player population numbers in CW speaks for itself. It's driving away players instead of attracting them.

stop blaming those who aren't playing CW as some sort of "me!me!me!" social misfits, and start realizing the design of the mode was a mistake.

Well just 2 things. You opinion on what CW is, or is not, is just one among many. The other is, CW is not complete. So if you wish to Hate on, or not Partake, fine. But do everyone a favor and pick one. Doing both makes you look bitter over a Video Game. Life is to short for such pettiness.

[Kilo 40]

Almond Brown, on 23 April 2015 - 06:31 AM, said:

Or a "2%'r". That would be the percentage of players who actually take some responsibility for their level of play, and not just Hate on PGI for everything, all the time.

I don't hate on PGI, and I completely take responsibility for my skill level, and I don't hate my team for when I do poorly.

The design of CW, in that it caters to large groups at the expense of small groups and solo players was a very poor decision. Stop blaming players for poor design choices.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Lexx, on 23 April 2015 - 06:32 AM, said:

I know the forum mods hate image only posts, but this sums up all I have to say about what happens to PUGs in CW

Wel, yes that IS the only way to play after all

[Kilo 40]

Almond Brown, on 23 April 2015 - 06:44 AM, said:

Well just 2 things. You opinion on what CW is, or is not, is just one among many. The other is, CW is not complete. So if you wish to Hate on, or not Partake, fine. But do everyone a favor and pick one. Doing both makes you look bitter over a Video Game. Life is to short for such pettiness.

Bitter? Pettiness? Nope. Just giving my opinion on a fiant srompy robot game just like everyone else here is doing, in the hopes that PGI will fix their poor design decision beyond "maybe 4v4 in late summer...maybe..."

[Joseph Mallan]

Lexx, on 23 April 2015 - 06:32 AM, said:

I know the forum mods hate image only posts, but this sums up all I have to say about what happens to PUGs in CW

Why isn't teh Phoenix Hawk fighting back?

[Adamski]

Looks more like a Stinger than a Phoenix Hawk

[Joseph Mallan]

Adamski, on 23 April 2015 - 08:45 AM, said:

Looks more like a Stinger than a Phoenix Hawk

Stinger Wasp and Phoenix Hawks always look similar, depending on the artist. Its the Jump jet Pack that I always miss.

[Screech]

As a solo player I have found CW provides the best teammates.

[Apnu]

Ursh, on 22 April 2015 - 04:36 AM, said:

Maybe I'm crazy, but I think every match, solo, grouped, whatever, should be working towards CW.

Everyone, even if they only have time for one 15 minute match, should feel like they're part of something bigger.

^^^ This!

CW should have a play mode for everybody. Thinking and designing it so its only for hard-core units is myopic. Making that mode for the tryhards and then needing the casuals to "fill in the spots" is wrong headed and bad for business.

Either CW is for tryhards only and they put up a wall to keep the casuals out, or they import all the game modes of the public queue into CW, make all players fight for a faction (even Lone Wolves in one-off engagements), and all games have some kind of meaning towards the Inner Sphere map.

That's kinda what Russ is talking about for 4v4 in the last Town Hall. He's looking at 4v4 scouting mode as a way for factions to open attack lanes for the Invasion game mode.

While that's nice, its too little right now. And they still need to lure suckers -- *cough* *cough* I meant 'PUGs' -- into Invasion for all the try hards that can't fill out a full 12-man, or the high population factions that can field several 12-man groups on a planet, but the defender is low pop and doesn't have that manpower.

Every time I hear someone from PGI and/or NGNG say "needing PUGs" I cringe, it shows a glaring problem with the game.

And that's because CW is an inch deep and an inch wide right now. If it had depth, then solos, small groups, large groups and comps would all have something to do in CW w/out trampling each other in the process.

Edited by Apnu, 23 April 2015 - 09:01 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Kilo 40, on 23 April 2015 - 06:11 AM, said:

Not for me....or that rest of the community that isn't playing.

Like I said, the player population numbers speak for itself.

Boo Hoo! We are playing a niche game that never was going to have a large populace. Add to that that every single player likely played by some level of house rules or another. So playing by "THE Rules" isn't going to sit well with most.

[Telmasa]

Joseph Mallan, on 23 April 2015 - 05:03 AM, said:

Yes. I could try to get some Lawmen together, but decided to drop solo. So Yes My fault.

In other words you are saying it's your fault, when you get spawncamped and prevented from playing the game, for trying to play the game.

There's really nothing left for me to say.

Joseph Mallan, on 23 April 2015 - 09:13 AM, said:

Boo Hoo! We are playing a niche game that never was going to have a large populace. Add to that that every single player likely played by some level of house rules or another. So playing by "THE Rules" isn't going to sit well with most.

That's just a really narrow and pessimistic way of looking at things...with a proper roleplay & storyline element, with acceptable game balance and variety, this game would be able to fullfil alot more than a small-populace "niche".

[Joseph Mallan]

Telmasa, on 23 April 2015 - 09:22 AM, said:

In other words you are saying it's your fault, when you get spawncamped and prevented from playing the game, for trying to play the game.

There's really nothing left for me to say.

If I died and had to go back to Spawn... Yes it is my fault. Cause I haven't seen a spawn camped from the original drop.

Telmasa, on 23 April 2015 - 09:22 AM, said:

That's just a really narrow and pessimistic way of looking at things...with a proper roleplay & storyline element, with acceptable game balance and variety, this game would be able to fullfil alot more than a small-populace "niche".

So how many players would we lose if there was a roleplay element? I was a die hard CBT player for over 25 years. I played MechWarrior (the RPG) twice.

Also I prefer to thing its pragmatic not pessimistic.

If it was pessimistic I would be complaining about it which I'm not.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 23 April 2015 - 09:27 AM.

[Stoned Prophet]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 22 April 2015 - 10:25 AM, said:

ignore actual response, instead troll and threaten.

Mhmm

VitiateDiabolus, on 22 April 2015 - 12:23 PM, said:

I don't care for this train of logic. League of Legends eventually removed the option to play free rotation champions in all ranked games because the consensus both by the community and the developers was that it was not conducive to competitive play.

I think most people would agree that it is at least partially the responsibility of the game's developers to minimize potentially toxic activity that the community will partake in given the option. Expecting the community to police themselves is impractical and unrealistic.

Your opinion is noted. However, since my opinion differs, I guess its up to the devs to decide.
I think most intelligent people would go into a match intending to play the game it is intended to be. Or are you saying going into a game of checkers and moving my checkers as though it were chess is the fault of the designers of checkers?

Lexx, on 23 April 2015 - 06:32 AM, said:

I know the forum mods hate image only posts, but this sums up all I have to say about what happens to PUGs in CW

But, see, thats NOT what happens to all pugs in CW. Just the ones who cant be bothered to organize and work hard for the win, then come cry in the forums.