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[Deathlike]

FupDup, on 22 April 2015 - 08:48 PM, said:

For little mechs like the Commando, a good way to give them "more tonnage" without literally giving them Ghost Tonnage would be to integrate all 10 base heatsinks into the engine. This means you'd no longer have to spend 9-12 critical slots on external heatsinks, which would let you equip FF armor (in addition to Endo) for some minor weight savings.

The improved cooling of 2.0 engine Trudubs over 1.4 Poordubs would also in way give you "free heatsinks" (well, more like the heatsinks that every other mech gets to enjoy) due to that higher efficiency.

I don't think that'll work in a sense. If that were to be implemented in the game, it would kinda break stock builds (mechs suddenly become overweight). You "could" release them as a buyable option in the mechlab (PGI moneysink) or "upgrade" (another moneysink route) for the chassis to "upgrade" the engine (not upgraded by default), but it makes more sense if implemented as the "reverse" 25-engine heatsink upgrades (like 275+ engines get additional HS space, sub-225 engines would get additional HS space for every 25-engine levels).

I'd rather not have a moneysink (and my solution with HS space in the sub-225 engines would get them automatically-free of charge), but it would solve the problem as currently constituted. We can't really do the change "as is" outright because of the stock-TT construction rules...

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Weapon quirks can also be used as a more indirect form of "Ghost Tonnage." For example, you could give Commandos a massively tighter missile spread quirk, which would essentially give Commies access to weightless/slotless free Artemis.

That route seems alright... especially when the Commandos need some help.

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Literally giving some mechs "extra tonnage" out of completely nowhere is something that even Space Magic has a hard time with. Weapon/armor quirks at least have some reasoning behind them. If we're really worried about mechs like the Owens and Strider, I'd honestly just want to have PGI create their own non-canon "Mk II" versions that have somewhat more min-maxed base chassis (i.e. XL for the Strider, remove CASE from Strider, DHS for both of them, etc.).

"Space Magic" will get some people crazy for the mechs the OP wants "adjusted". It would be extraordinarily problematic...

[Andi Nagasia]

perhaps not the best idea, but i wanted your thoughts and now i have them,
so can we all please put all the torches down, and untie me from the Pire?
Edit- this

Edited by Andi Nagasia, 23 April 2015 - 04:49 PM.

[FupDup]

Deathlike, on 23 April 2015 - 04:27 PM, said:

I don't think that'll work in a sense. If that were to be implemented in the game, it would kinda break stock builds (mechs suddenly become overweight). You "could" release them as a buyable option in the mechlab (PGI moneysink) or "upgrade" (another moneysink route) for the chassis to "upgrade" the engine (not upgraded by default), but it makes more sense if implemented as the "reverse" 25-engine heatsink upgrades (like 275+ engines get additional HS space, sub-225 engines would get additional HS space for every 25-engine levels).

Stock weight wouldn't be effected. The heatsinks would just be shoved into the engine instead of being on the outside.

[Deathlike]

FupDup, on 23 April 2015 - 06:20 PM, said:

Stock weight wouldn't be effected. The heatsinks would just be shoved into the engine instead of being on the outside.

But wouldn't that break stock loadouts?

If the heatsinks (usually single) were supposed to be external anyways, then it would "break" the stock loadout.

Take the Commando-2D for instance:
http://www.solaris7....Info.asp?ID=536

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Heat Sinks: 10 - Single (6 in engine) 0.00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT

I'm just saying... PGI would have to "fix" all sub-250 stock builds. That would be a PITA.

Edited by Deathlike, 23 April 2015 - 06:41 PM.

[FupDup]

Deathlike, on 23 April 2015 - 06:41 PM, said:

But wouldn't that break stock loadouts?

Somebody would have to be a complete, unrelenting tightass to fuss over a sink getting moved to a different spot on a stock build. Also, Hellbringer Prime...

Deathlike, on 23 April 2015 - 06:41 PM, said:

If the heatsinks (usually single) were supposed to be external anyways, then it would "break" the stock loadout.

Take the Commando-2D for instance:
http://www.solaris7....Info.asp?ID=536


I'm just saying... PGI would have to "fix" all sub-250 stock builds. That would be a PITA.

In other words, Lostech, too hard, external Poordubs for everybody, Big Engine Stomp Meta go go goooooooo, arm's race to 35 ton 250-engine overlords.

[Deathlike]

FupDup, on 23 April 2015 - 06:46 PM, said:

Somebody would have to be a complete, unrelenting tightass to fuss over a sink getting moved to a different spot on a stock build. Also, Hellbringer Prime...

Oh, "the missing stuff".

If only we had infantry named "Paul"...

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In other words, Lostech, too hard, external Poordubs for everybody, Big Engine Stomp Meta go go goooooooo, arm's race to 35 ton 250-engine overlords.

Noooooo....

Edited by Deathlike, 23 April 2015 - 06:50 PM.

[Repasy Cooper]

Just close this thread man, it's a bad idea that needs to be killed NOW.

I don't care if I've spent close to $500 supporting this game. If these ideas followed through, I would delete MWO from my desktop and perma-block this website from my web browser. I would go THAT FAR.

Edited by Repasy, 24 April 2015 - 07:45 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Andi Nagasia, on 23 April 2015 - 03:09 PM, said:

so i guess this concludes my Bad Idea for the Week?

I wasn't expecting a good sport. You need to be watched. Actions like that show maturity!