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[HellJumper]

looking at the current CW event going around and with most of the people on the IS side to play against the clans makes me wonder the one thing that many did stated..


Clans are P2W and are OP...

with most people playing IS mechs in the competitive environment its quite clear imo that clans are NOT P2W .


your thoughts?

[The Mechromancer]

well, clans are more expensive, and alot of people cannot field a full deck.

that is a big part of the population slant.

[Whatzituyah]

The Mechromancer, on 26 April 2015 - 11:29 PM, said:

well, clans are more expensive, and alot of people cannot field a full deck.

that is a big part of the population slant.

My thoughts exactly IS is cheaper then Clan mechs.

[Xetelian]

IS stock mechs are cheaper than clan mechs however endo or ff and DHS make these prices a lot closer.


Nothing in this game is P2W, you get pay 2 play it early but it eventually comes out for Cbills so this is either a really bad troll or...nah just really bad troll.

[Beastbear]

timbergod and doomcrow are (arguably) top of their respective brackets right now. That said a drop in is vs a drop in clan mechs from scratch are completely different experiences.

Until you've got each one mastered, setup how you want it, and several drops after noone can really give you a one on one. P2W they ain't, but it does raise an eyebrow that we haven't seen hero's outside of the invasion variants.

[Vaderman]

IS mechs do not cost less.

Total up the chassis cost of an IS mech + upgrades and they are close to, if not more, than a clan mech of the same weight.

Good IS units beat good IS clan units as much as they lose to them brother.

[Lily from animove]

Whatzituyah, on 26 April 2015 - 11:31 PM, said:

My thoughts exactly IS is cheaper then Clan mechs.

No, any IS light with proper sized engine + ES/FF upgrades is actually more expensive than the most clanlights. IS seems cheaper because they come without all the shiny upgrades. And any player past newbie state knows this.

And anyone that buys IS mechs because of this is either truly a newbie or a fool.

Stalkers and Dragons, are actually some of the absolutely best chassis you can get.

It's just a lot grind to win, because you need the C-bills.

Edited by Lily from animove, 26 April 2015 - 11:57 PM.

[Chagatay]

Vaderman, on 26 April 2015 - 11:53 PM, said:

IS mechs do not cost less.

Total up the chassis cost of an IS mech + upgrades and they are close to, if not more, than a clan mech of the same weight.

Good IS units beat good IS clan units as much as they lose to them brother.

I think prices are close but I definitely think clan mechs have steeper costs. For the longest time (until the 9S nerfs), thunderbolts were the way to go. With STD engines and just endo/double sinks they were a cheap entry platform (given you could put 3 in your deck as a newbie).

[Ens]

they never were 8[
some are just op

[Juodas Varnas]

Lily from animove, on 26 April 2015 - 11:56 PM, said:

No, any IS light with proper sized engine + ES/FF upgrades is actually more expensive than the most clanlights. IS seems cheaper because they come without all the shiny upgrades. And any player past newbie state knows this.

And anyone that buys IS mechs because of this is either truly a newbie or a fool.

They're cheaper, because to master 1 mech, you only need to buy 1 engine for those 3 variants (just switch it around the variants whichever you're leveling)(also not all mechs, need their engines changed, i for one, often run default engine on my Thunderbolts) and usually you can skip the endo/ferro while leveling the other variants, because not having them isn't gamebreaking.

On another note, about clans being op. Well, IN GENERAL, they're not overpowered. It's just the unholy trinity, which just happens to be clan mechs.

Edited by Juodas Varnas, 27 April 2015 - 12:00 AM.

[Whatzituyah]

Lily from animove, on 26 April 2015 - 11:56 PM, said:

No, any IS light with proper sized engine + ES/FF upgrades is actually more expensive than the most clanlights. IS seems cheaper because they come without all the shiny upgrades. And any player past newbie state knows this.

And anyone that buys IS mechs because of this is either truly a newbie or a fool.

Stalkers and Dragons, are actually some of the absolutely best chassis you can get.

It's just a lot grind to win, because you need the C-bills.

I am saying it more as its easier to get to first even if it is not upgraded its a cheap stock mech so you can buy it then upgrade it clan mechs different story they already have upgrades like you said so they are expensive.

Chagatay, on 26 April 2015 - 11:57 PM, said:

I think prices are close but I definitely think clan mechs have steeper costs. For the longest time (until the 9S nerfs), thunderbolts were the way to go. With STD engines and just endo/double sinks they were a cheap entry platform (given you could put 3 in your deck as a newbie).

Juodas Varnas, on 26 April 2015 - 11:59 PM, said:

They're cheaper, because to master 1 mech, you only need to buy 1 engine for those 3 variants (just switch it around the variants whichever you're leveling)(also not all mechs, need their engines changed, i for one, often run default engine on my Thunderbolts) and usually you can skip the endo/ferro while leveling the other variants, because not having them isn't gamebreaking.

On another note, about clans being op. Well, IN GENERAL, they're not overpowered. It's just the unholy trinity, which just happens to be clan mechs.

These two are the ones to argue with I am tired need some sleep before I can type clearly.

Edited by Whatzituyah, 27 April 2015 - 12:01 AM.

[The Mechromancer]

Vaderman, on 26 April 2015 - 11:53 PM, said:

IS mechs do not cost less.

Total up the chassis cost of an IS mech + upgrades and they are close to, if not more, than a clan mech of the same weight.

Good IS units beat good IS clan units as much as they lose to them brother.

upon buying a new chassis, yes they are cheaper.

people dont wait until they have enough money to buy a new chassis AND its upgrades, they get it as soon as they can and up it as they go

Juodas Varnas, on 26 April 2015 - 11:59 PM, said:

On another note, about clans being op. Well, IN GENERAL, they're not overpowered. It's just the unholy trinity, which just happens to be clan mechs.

Stalker 4N, 2 Firestarters, TDRs, etc...

IS has just as many god-tier mechs as clan.

Beastbear, on 26 April 2015 - 11:39 PM, said:

Until you've got each one mastered, setup how you want it, and several drops after noone can really give you a one on one. P2W they ain't, but it does raise an eyebrow that we haven't seen hero's outside of the invasion variants.

unique vatiants with omnipods is a balance landmine, and a tricky sell if it is not straight better in some way.

IS mechs can be made to be diffrent, but equal much more easy.

Edited by The Mechromancer, 27 April 2015 - 12:07 AM.

[HellJumper]

The Mechromancer, on 26 April 2015 - 11:29 PM, said:

well, clans are more expensive, and alot of people cannot field a full deck.

that is a big part of the population slant.

well the clan wave 1 was a huge success when it came to sales of the mech packs and a la carte mechs... yet we see more IS players than clan players.. you can see in the call to arms page that many have requested to have their contract canceled and move back to clans.

so imo its not about clan mechs being expensive but more about people (who own clan mechs and full decks) shifting back to IS mechs to play the event

[El Bandito]

That Timbie-A shoulder pod is P2W currently. Not out for C-Bills.

Edited by El Bandito, 27 April 2015 - 12:12 AM.

[Juodas Varnas]

El Bandito, on 27 April 2015 - 12:12 AM, said:

That Timbie-A shoulder pod is P2W currently. Not out for C-Bills.

But, but, but, THOSE VERY MINOR NEGATIVE QUIRKS!

[kesmai]

Yes clanmechs are pay to win and they are completely overpowered. Clanners need no skill to win and IS is just losing.
if you pay money for red colors it is also pay to win, everyone should know by now that painting your mechs red they run 10% faster. Premium colors are faster than the cheap ones.

Edited by kesmai, 27 April 2015 - 12:28 AM.

[Vaderman]

The Mechromancer, on 27 April 2015 - 12:05 AM, said:

upon buying a new chassis, yes they are cheaper.

people dont wait until they have enough money to buy a new chassis AND its upgrades, they get it as soon as they can and up it as they go

Are these the same people that wonder why they lose so much?

[Lily from animove]

Juodas Varnas, on 26 April 2015 - 11:59 PM, said:

They're cheaper, because to master 1 mech, you only need to buy 1 engine for those 3 variants (just switch it around the variants whichever you're leveling)(also not all mechs, need their engines changed, i for one, often run default engine on my Thunderbolts) and usually you can skip the endo/ferro while leveling the other variants, because not having them isn't gamebreaking.

On another note, about clans being op. Well, IN GENERAL, they're not overpowered. It's just the unholy trinity, which just happens to be clan mechs.

this only counts IF you use the same engine size on all the chassis,
This only counts if you do not want to take them all to CW, or does one with a dropdeck of 4 FS9's bring one with maxed engine and 3stock?

Many people keep their mechs past the "bought for skilling only"

The Mechromancer, on 27 April 2015 - 12:05 AM, said:

people dont wait until they have enough money to buy a new chassis AND its upgrades, they get it as soon as they can and up it as they go

Yes this is how fools act, because then you play in a gimped mech, getting XP and C-bills even harder and slower. The only emch where I did this was my Atlas as the first mech. because I did not had any own mech otherwise. But past this, where is the sense in that?

Edited by Lily from animove, 27 April 2015 - 12:55 AM.

[STEF_]

HellJumper, on 26 April 2015 - 11:09 PM, said:

looking at the current CW event going around and with most of the people on the IS side to play against the clans makes me wonder the one thing that many did stated..


Clans are P2W and are OP...

with most people playing IS mechs in the competitive environment its quite clear imo that clans are NOT P2W .


your thoughts?

My thought, after 28 drops in Tukayyid, is that a lot of noobs chose to buy IS mechs, because they think those mechs are cheaper. So, a looot of noobs are in the IS factions.
I write this because I saw a lot of solo IS puggies without any clue about how to pilot, and with bad builds too.

Also, if the mayority of players have chose IS factions, maybe it's because Clan mechs aren't that OP.

Edited by Stefka Kerensky, 27 April 2015 - 01:18 AM.

[Rushin Roulette]

Yes, clans are deffinitely still pay to whine... but the IS are slowly catching up with that to even out the field.