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[mogs01gt]

Appogee, on 29 April 2015 - 07:11 AM, said:

Is there some kind of "infinite armor" hack around, too?
Three nights ago, I was playing a certain unit who I've since learned are infamous for using hacks.
I was focusing a Hellbringer in my 6LL Stalker. I put about 12 sets of 3LLs (ie about 330 points of damage) into his CT, at a time when we were facing each other relatively straight on, and a range of about 100-150mm. My three lancemates said they were focussing him too.
But I couldn't even remove the armor from his CT, let kill him. Even if we allow for 'bad aim', it's hard to understand how we could not have removed his armor. It's not like he was even able to use the Jump Jet hit box exploit.
It was a short match as they just rolled over the top of us. At the end of the match, that Hellbringer was still alive, zero deaths.

I've seen this soo many times I've come to the conclusion its major lag or the servers are severely over worked. Its a primary reason why I dont play much.

WarHippy, on 29 April 2015 - 07:56 AM, said:

I have been gaming for years(probably as much if not a lot more than you) with a lot of it in FPS, and what I have personally found is that while there are a lot of cheats out there we also have a lot of people like yourself that so firmly believe they can identify cheats that they falsely get people banned from servers who were not in any way cheating. Their only crime was being significantly better than their accusers and not having the server admins ear. While I'm sure there are some cheats floating around for MWO in all of my games and time spent in this game I can't think of a single instance that had me thinking someone was cheating. As buggy as HSR and the netcode for this game is we do see some strange stuff sometimes, and the serious lack of situational awareness people have in this game doesn't help because those are often the people that immediately jump on the "they were cheating" bandwagon.

When I used to play on XBC, I was part of a team that found the cheaters and banned them....Once you know what to look for, it easy to see who was cheating.

Edited by mogs01gt, 29 April 2015 - 08:06 AM.

[Dracol]

WarHippy, on 29 April 2015 - 07:56 AM, said:

and the serious lack of situational awareness people have in this game doesn't help because those are often the people that immediately jump on the "they were cheating" bandwagon.

My favorites are the people who say "How did he shoot me in the back? He's right in front of me?" when it was in fact the enemy's allied jenner getting in behind while the target is otherwise engaged.

[Ghogiel]

Dracol, on 29 April 2015 - 08:03 AM, said:

My favorites are the people who say "How did he shoot me in the back? He's right in front of me?" when it was in fact the enemy's allied jenner getting in behind while the target is otherwise engaged.

There is a fairly well know bug where damage can sometimes be taken in the front and gets applied to the rear. And conversely.

I think we have all experienced it at some point.

[warner2]

I would be willing to bet the vast majority of hacking suspicions are for innocuous reasons

1) Bad understanding of game mechanics and / or game behaviour (e.g. the hit registration in CW is worse than in regular play)
2) Bad players and teams getting beaten by good players and teams and crying foul (e.g. some people can aim, many can't)

That's not to say it doesn't happen but it seems unlikely to be widespread.

[WarHippy]

mogs01gt, on 29 April 2015 - 08:02 AM, said:

When I used to play on XBC, I was part of a team that found the cheaters and banned them....Once you know what to look for, it easy to see who was cheating.

Once you know what to look for it certainly helps in particular with the obvious stuff, but as with any human you are not perfect. Telling the difference between those that are truly skilled(especially when that skill is beyond your own) and the well crafted cheats out there is sometimes a great deal harder than you might think because often ones ego gets in the way of being objective. I can't speak on the Xbox stuff since I only played multiplayer FPS on a proper gaming platform such as the PC so maybe its different.

[Water Bear]

warner2, on 29 April 2015 - 08:10 AM, said:

I would be willing to bet the vast majority of hacking suspicions are for innocuous reasons

1) Bad understanding of game mechanics and / or game behaviour (e.g. the hit registration in CW is worse than in regular play)
2) Bad players and teams getting beaten by good players and teams and crying foul (e.g. some people can aim, many can't)

That's not to say it doesn't happen but it seems unlikely to be widespread.

I agree. Someone earlier in this thread said something about being shot on River City night when they were too far away to be seen by night or thermal vision. That person apparently doesn't know that you can dim the lights in your cockpit and see enemy mechs on river city night further than with night vision. In fact, if it's dark in the room I'm playing the game, using no night vision allows me to see much further than with it.

As someone else pointed out, sometimes (probably due to hit box / bounding box overlap) you get shot from the front and take damage in the back.

Sometimes you think you're getting shot through a wall but it's actually because there's a black jack with an ac/20 pop tarting so high over the wall you're next to that he has to use his arm actuators to aim down on to your head. Your mech can't physically turn its head up high enough for you to see this, so you assume it's a bullet coming through the wall.

Etc, etc.

This is why I don't ever cry 'hax.' Number 1 I'm too old for that ****. If you blame your losses on hax at age 28 you've got a much bigger problem to deal with. Number 2 I have learned in my old age (I know the real old fogies on the forum are chuckling now) that losing is a chance for you to learn. If you don't examine your loss, admit you did something stupid and figure out what it was, you won't ever get better and I want to get better.

[Ragtag soldier]

cryengine's been hacked for ages- and since PGI apparently has been fairly slapdash there's big holes where the code can be used to a hacker's advantage. i just accepted that a chunk of this game is hackers and remember that before i consider pulling out money for it.

[Mercules]

Dracol, on 29 April 2015 - 07:52 AM, said:

Launch UAVs back behind friendlies, in sight of the enemy. Enemy fires on UAV, friendlies watch where the shots come from and now know were the enemy is.

No one fired on any of them. 12 man looking up in the sky going, "WTH? Why would they drop that there? Oh well, ignore their UAVs since there is no reason to shoot them.

Although that might work in a PuG. Even so a bit of a waste to an item that is great for earning XP.

[DaZur]

In e-sport online game and or other online games where there is a bartering / trade system I can see where there would be incentive for hackers to provide access to hacks to net profit or advancement... In the current state of MW:O it seems fairly senseless save for trolling to both provide and or utilize hacks.

It's kind'a like purchasing a high-tech sniper rifle ($22,000) to "plink" soda cans in the backyard...

Sometime the logic of society truly baffles me.

[Mercules]

WarHippy, on 29 April 2015 - 07:56 AM, said:

...and the serious lack of situational awareness people have in this game doesn't help because those are often the people that immediately jump on the "they were cheating" bandwagon.

No kidding. I once got accused of hacking running around in a Commando.

I shot a guy, dodged his return fire and ran behind him. I then stopped on a dime and since his teamates were about to crest and come to his rescued I spun and ran back the way I came as he turned right... I was now on his left. A quick duck behind some buildings and suddenly I'm a hacker who just teleported a mech.

Dracol, on 29 April 2015 - 08:03 AM, said:

My favorites are the people who say "How did he shoot me in the back? He's right in front of me?" when it was in fact the enemy's allied jenner getting in behind while the target is otherwise engaged.

I watched a guy light up chat screaming about a hacker who shot him through armor. He had basically full front armor but had lost his back armor fairly early in to me poking at him. I had pulled back until he was disengaged and then snuck up on him again and cored him out through the back timing my shots to match up more or less with the front shots he was taking from teammates. Since he was WAY back from the front lines standing on a building sniping with a dual gauss Jagger he was ignoring most of the front shots(too far to do much damage) until his CT was red and he suddenly popped still having front armor.

[Kali Rinpoche]

http://mwomercs.com/...party-programs/

I've only seen a couple of blatant hacks in the last year, but PGI is obviously seeing that their use has increased. Regardless of 7 pages of hack vs skill jibberish, PGI is aware they are being used and are most likely on the rise, if Tina had to post about it.

Edited by Kali Rinpoche, 29 April 2015 - 09:39 AM.

[Revis Volek]

Myself and my teammates were accused of this 2 times just last night....


I have 17 headshots on over 5,000 drops if i aimbotted that would not be so low.

I take it as a compliment when people accuse me of such things because i surely do not. Not to say others dont, i have a few suspicions just like everyone else.

Ghogiel, on 29 April 2015 - 06:06 AM, said:

Loads of teams are using aimbots. Especially at high Elo. Even in Pugland you see them every now and again.

You know that for sure? You have proof?

Thats a pretty bold statement....

Davegt27, on 29 April 2015 - 06:11 AM, said:

I would not worry about it PGI knows what they are doing

This game is heavily computer controlled they can defeat any so called program

When I was a kid we used to hunt snakes, the thing is to get a confirmed kill you have to shoot a snake in the head so we all became damn good shots

It did not take too long after I started this game I was knocking Jenner’s out of the air

Then PGI through me a curve ball and made the gun go off in azimuth and I could not hit the broad side of a drop ship

So I took the AC20 off

Recently I revisited dual AC20s' on my Jager and on the third trigger pull the Mech blew up

You may think your hot stuff but it’s really the computer either buffing or nerfing
In CW it goes by side Units get a Buff pugs get a nerf
They now let you get some kills to make you feel good but the computer controls the whole thing

what?

Maybe time to take the tinfoil hat off? You think 12 mans get BUFFED every match and solos and pugs get nerfed?

Outside the 12 maybe being on comms...you are way out there my friend, way out.

Edited by DarthRevis, 29 April 2015 - 09:49 AM.

[WarHippy]

Kali Rinpoche, on 29 April 2015 - 09:38 AM, said:

http://mwomercs.com/...party-programs/

I've only seen a couple of blatant hacks in the last year, but PGI is obviously seeing that their use has increased. Regardless of 7 pages of hack vs skill jibberish, PGI is aware they are being used and are most likely on the rise, if Tina had to post about it.

Do you know what the word potential means? Tina used it several times in that statement which gives a different perspective than what you are implying. Hacking accusations are on the rise for any numbers of reasons be they good, bad, or uninformed and as such the community manager made a general statement about the potential problems.

[XX Sulla XX]

I play I lot and have not noticed any hacks. What I do notice are most players are not good at looking for and shooting UAVs and most players are not good at looking for ECM lights spotting them. And most players/teams/units are not good at countering LRMs.

I also have not noticed top teams/players using any cheats like wall hacks or aim bots. For example if they are using wall hacks they should always be able to figure out where you are and but they dont. And they should always be able to shoot you as soon as you move out of cover and they dont. And they should never miss but they do.

I know there is supposed to be a hack out there but I just have not seen it in game.

What I do notice though are very very bad teams/units/players getting killed without doing any damage hardly or in many cases zero damage. You do not need hacks to kill these players. The other things that is just human nature is we all tend to think our skill is higher than it is. So many players do not relize the huge difference between their skill and the skill at the top end of the game.

Edited by XX Sulla XX, 29 April 2015 - 09:54 AM.

[Johnny Z]

AUSwarrior24, on 29 April 2015 - 05:52 AM, said:

I think you're jumping the gun by immediately labelling the 'comp' community as illegitimate.

I would think any competitive teams would be legit in fact. Seriously. They would call each other for cheating etc.

Tough subject though.

Only party that can really be trusted to name and shame is Mechwarrior game itself though, thats for sure, and I hope they do name and shame cheats. I have seen this done in another game and it is amazing how when " So and so has been banned" flashes across the screen of every player in game, the effect it has. Its noticable really. This isnt lore friendly or immersive for mechwarrior so I hope they just post banned players name on the forums or something and I hope they dont make mistakes also. Been a victim of fraud real life 2 times in 1 year and mistakes like that really hurt. (dumb construction worker prime target for pencil pusher fraudsters, just a heads up)

Edited by Johnny Z, 29 April 2015 - 10:02 AM.

[WarHippy]

DarthRevis, on 29 April 2015 - 09:44 AM, said:

what?

Maybe time to take the tinfoil hat off? You think 12 mans get BUFFED every match and solos and pugs get nerfed?

Outside the 12 maybe being on comms...you are way out there my friend, way out.

I remember only glancing over the first few lines of that post but I really should have finished reading it because that is some next level lunacy he was spouting off.

[mogs01gt]

Mercules, on 29 April 2015 - 09:35 AM, said:

No kidding. I once got accused of hacking running around in a Commando.
I shot a guy, dodged his return fire and ran behind him. I then stopped on a dime and since his teamates were about to crest and come to his rescued I spun and ran back the way I came as he turned right... I was now on his left. A quick duck behind some buildings and suddenly I'm a hacker who just teleported a mech.

Teleporting lights is an issue but its not a hack. So technically he was right about the teleporting .

[Mercules]

mogs01gt, on 29 April 2015 - 10:00 AM, said:

Teleporting lights is an issue but its not a hack. So technically he was right about the teleporting .

I have a 32 ping... if my mech teleports it's because the other guy has a 300+ ping at which point many mediums teleport too.

[lpmagic]

JaxRiot, on 28 April 2015 - 10:45 PM, said:

Ya pretty close. Except the other guy had more kills, less deaths, and did more damage.

Just to throw out a disclaimer here: Im not saying the guy was hacking. I thought we were just getting our butts kicked (story of my life). The thought of hacking hadnt even crossed my mind until my group started calling Hax.

It wasnt until after the match and I got to look at the scores did think that maybe they could have had a point. I had never seen a score like that before, but then again I hadnt done CW much before this event. So I really didnt know what kind of score would be considered Too high.

I have seen many players with 3500 plus damage and 20+ kills in CW, and the folks that have done it are most assuredly NOT hackers. if you are surprised at 3k damage and 15 kills, you need to play more CW good sir many good players will regularly top 3k damage, like almost every match.

[lpmagic]

warner2, on 29 April 2015 - 08:10 AM, said:

I would be willing to bet the vast majority of hacking suspicions are for innocuous reasons

1) Bad understanding of game mechanics and / or game behaviour (e.g. the hit registration in CW is worse than in regular play)
2) Bad players and teams getting beaten by good players and teams and crying foul (e.g. some people can aim, many can't)

That's not to say it doesn't happen but it seems unlikely to be widespread.

Good science is indistinguishable from magic, the same thing applies here Great skill is indistinguishable from hacking to an extent.

There are hacks of course, and there is a very big kerfuffle over it right this very moment, I'm sure we will hear from PGI shortly on the issue.