Catamount, on 09 January 2012 - 08:32 AM, said:
Oh, and you showed this so unequivocally, did you?
No, the shows did. We see time and time again in Trek that the weapons they carry usually only end up wounding people, especially in the later series. Even when it comes down to more advanced tech such as that produced by the Dominion, they have the frequent habit of only wounding a person unless they're a goldshirt. The biggest example of this can be seen in "The Ship" in which one background character apparently takes a killing shot and takes days to actually die from the wound. A more infamous one can be seen in, again, "Resistance" which has Janeway being shot full in the face by a energy weapon and yet being perfectly fine once the opening credits end.
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Note that to match even that lowest end figure among what we've garnered, a 9mm pistol would have to fire over 1400 rounds/second, having energies of only ~550-700J/shot (depending on the round and firearm).
All of which you're getting by applying science to this. The problem with applying science to this is, like most series, Trek plays fast and loose with science. One of the most obvious moments, aside from accellerating up to infinite speed, is a ship escaping a black hole by flying through a crack in the event horizon.
Due to this problem i'm trying to rely upon things actually seen in each series, in part because Trek seems to work on a different law of physics than real life, and because you openly rejected the officially published tech stats of other franchises. If you're not willing to accept that of another series, there's no reason why I should accept yours.
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Note that that number was actually for TNG Chain of Command (yes, there's more than one instance of this sort of vaporization; it's not a one-off thing).
Except of course that, aside from a handfull of moments this never occours. It only appears when the plot requires it.
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Would you mind linking me to a 9mm pistol that can match even the middle outputs there, required to vaporize a person? Of course you can't. You couldn't even show a 9mm pistol with the capability to match the lowest canonical outputs of phasers, let alone a middling or high-end figure.
Well for one thing it wouldn't need to. It just needs to put a hole in a person and make sure they don't get back up, something which Trek phasers have remarkable trouble doing unless it's a background extra with barely any lines. And even then one of the highest bodycounts from a weapon used in a Trek episode was one which used solid bullets, which Starfleet chose not to use.
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And this is pretty much the content of your posts, absurd, already-debunked and long-tired talking points that we've not only already addressed, but addressed in multiple posts, just as we've already discussed troop numbers, Trek personal shields, and most, if not all of everything else you've brought up to date.
Discussed or did you try to ram them down someone's throat? Again, we see nothing of personal shields in the episodes save for a home-made one, troop numbers are constantly suspect from the ammount of times the Federation has to draft fleet officers into ground battles and the problems it has fighting smaller powers like the Cardassians, and one on screen displays of weapons frequently are pitiful.
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Did you READ the discussion we had? Of course not, otherwise you'd bring up something new.
If you didn't want to read through the whole thread, you could have asked for a quick summary, or at least made points with the caveat that they might already have been addressed, instead of treating them as unequivocal refutations to the so-called fanboy poster who's posts you clearly never even bothered to read in the first place
I'm not going to read through more of your tripe, especially if it consists of the same things i've seen from you so far, using this as an excuse to throw up bile at the mention of Star Wars or Warhammer. Considering your own posts, considerable bias and desire to see Trek beat everything than actually discuss any topic, i'd be lucky if that summary consisted of anything more than "Trek Wins, everyone else loses".
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Instead, you ran in, offered a nasty characterization of us as posters, and of the posts we made, without even really bothering to read them, and this is why you are not worth having a discussion with.
I read your posts in response. All they cosisted of was you acting like a common internet troll, adding nothing to the discussion and apparently being more concerned with trying to prove how much better your favourite series is than all others. Also, you were the ones offiering nasty characterisations, I just quoted what you had already posted.
Catamount, on 09 January 2012 - 10:25 AM, said:
We actually had a pretty good discussion covering quite a lot about 40k, from weapon yields, and likely ranges, to industrial capacity.
But yes, we beat it to death for about a dozen pages, so it definitely is time to move on unless someone has something new to say there, and honestly, we covered a lot
You mean you openly sneered at it, insulted it and got a great many things wrong about the canon. Or did you try and pass everything off as you being able to beat the Imperium due to subspace containment technology?