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[Elizander]

The phract has no lt/rt hardpoints which are the only high mounts on any phract. It will be low slung weapons only.

The battlemaster will be a double ams battlemaster but that's not so hot.

[Hit the Deck]

Ugh..., I had bad experience with Cataphract because the arm and side torso hardpoints are so low mounted

[Vassago Rain]

Greenjulius, on 04 May 2015 - 12:55 PM, said:

We're getting too many ECM mechs in the next few months. CTF-0X, GRF-2N, Arctic Cheetah and Shadowcat.

It's only going to be laser vomit and gauss spam from here on out at this pace.

2015 is the year of ECM. Most taboo subject. Biggest seller.

[Gas Guzzler]

Greenjulius, on 04 May 2015 - 12:55 PM, said:

We're getting too many ECM mechs in the next few months. CTF-0X, GRF-2N, Arctic Cheetah and Shadowcat.

It's only going to be laser vomit and gauss spam from here on out at this pace.

That is all it is anyway at high tier play.

[Shae Starfyre]

Hit the Deck, on 04 May 2015 - 12:57 PM, said:

Ugh..., I had bad experience with Cataphract because the arm and side torso hardpoints are so low mounted

I haaad a baaad experience!

[Karen Supreme]

Ecm...Ecm everywhere.....

I assume we are going to play "Mecha Dishonored" ....or "Mecha-Thief the dark project" for kill stealing.

Good work, PGI

[Gas Guzzler]

Gyrok, on 04 May 2015 - 12:25 PM, said:

So, IS gets 55 ton ECM medium and 70 ton ECM heavy?

Clans get 65 ton ECM heavy and 45 ton ECM medium...

...

I don't understand why you are worried. Neither the Griffin or the CTF is meta-compliant, while the HBR does everything perfectly fine (laser vomit, gauss + lasers).

[Vassago Rain]

Gas Guzzler, on 04 May 2015 - 01:05 PM, said:

I don't understand why you are worried. Neither the Griffin or the CTF is meta-compliant, while the HBR does everything perfectly fine (laser vomit, gauss + lasers).

Because that's what Gyrok does.

Edited by Vassago Rain, 04 May 2015 - 01:08 PM.

[Xetelian]

I'm just glad they're getting the ecm heavy they desired. Many people want this.

[Gas Guzzler]

Vassago Rain, on 04 May 2015 - 01:08 PM, said:

Because that's what Gyrok does.

I know. I guess I just hope that someday, he'll just get it man, just get it..

[Gyrok]

FupDup, on 04 May 2015 - 12:27 PM, said:

The Loki is probably going to be overall more effective than that Phract, so it more than makes up for being 5 tons lighter.

The Scat isn't as clear to predict, but it probably won't be a "bad" mech. I'm expecting it to be average at worst, and pretty good at best. It won't rule the medium class, but I'm expecting it to be a viable gundam.

Not thinking that it will not be a decent mech, in fact, I expect in some niches, it does really well...

However, the GRF-2N is pretty salty already...and has blessed hit boxes...

[Gyrok]

Gas Guzzler, on 04 May 2015 - 01:15 PM, said:

I know. I guess I just hope that someday, he'll just get it man, just get it..

I would not listen to Vassago for anything...I have him on ignore for a reason...it would behoove you to do the same.

As for "getting it"...I already understand lots about this game, probably more than many on these forums ever would. I realize those chassis may not be "meta compliant" for now...however, hardpoint inflation in the 0X will certainly happen, and there was a time when there was no more effective dakka/sniping/brawling mech in the heavy class than the Cataphract, period. So...forgive me if taking something seriously when others laugh knowing, full well, that the meta of today will not even be the meta of 3-4 months from now...

[Crotch RockIt]

Terciel1976, on 04 May 2015 - 12:35 PM, said:

I had just checked Sarna and think this is likely.

Russ tweeted that the Battlemaster won't have ECM.

Alistair Winter, on 04 May 2015 - 12:49 PM, said:

It would be nice if the CTF-0X had 2E in each arm. It's never going to be a sniper with such lower ballistic hardpoint and no energy hardpoints in the torsos anyway. But it might make an ok brawler if it has the right quirks and enough arm-mounted lasers.

I can't really think of any really fun builds though.AC20, 2LL, 2ML, ECM, STD260 and glass armour, maybe.

Anyone have any good ideas for niec CTF-0X builds? Make any assumptions about hardpoints you feel would be realistic, but keep in mind that PGI tends to increase the number of existing hardpoints, they don't suddenly add hardpoints where the stock variant had no weapons.

Assuming 4 energy hardpoints, I might run it like this. Basically a 3D brawler with ECM instead of JJ.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...a3cdd64a4dab437

[Novawrecker]

Xetelian, on 04 May 2015 - 01:11 PM, said:

I'm just glad they're getting the ecm heavy they desired. Many people want this.

Eh, TBH, IS didn't need an ECM Heavy. Something more productive could have been released.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Gyrok, on 04 May 2015 - 01:55 PM, said:

I would not listen to Vassago for anything...I have him on ignore for a reason...it would behoove you to do the same.

As for "getting it"...I already understand lots about this game, probably more than many on these forums ever would. I realize those chassis may not be "meta compliant" for now...however, hardpoint inflation in the 0X will certainly happen, and there was a time when there was no more effective dakka/sniping/brawling mech in the heavy class than the Cataphract, period. So...forgive me if taking something seriously when others laugh knowing, full well, that the meta of today will not even be the meta of 3-4 months from now...

How the heck are we supposed to take you seriously? You are comparing the Hellbringer to a Cataphract that *was* meta-compliant back when poptarting was king and gauss+PPC were fired at a single trigger-pull. To compare the hellbringer to a cataphract now is not something I can take seriously, especially a cataphract without any shoulder hard points...

Seriously.

[Gas Guzzler]

Gyrok, on 04 May 2015 - 01:55 PM, said:

I would not listen to Vassago for anything...I have him on ignore for a reason...it would behoove you to do the same.

As for "getting it"...I already understand lots about this game, probably more than many on these forums ever would. I realize those chassis may not be "meta compliant" for now...however, hardpoint inflation in the 0X will certainly happen, and there was a time when there was no more effective dakka/sniping/brawling mech in the heavy class than the Cataphract, period. So...forgive me if taking something seriously when others laugh knowing, full well, that the meta of today will not even be the meta of 3-4 months from now...

The problem is, it can(should)not take a Gauss in the torso with an XL engine (instant death), and it cannot take a Gauss with something meaningful (something other than 3-4 IS MLs (lets face it, it isn't going to have more than 4E hardpoints)) with a STD engine, therefore it will at best be mediocre.

Hellbringer runs 90, has a high ballistic hardpoint and 4 high energy hardpoints that can sport 400 m 1 ton lasers, and can sport a Gauss in the Torso without dying when it explodes.

Cataphract will run somewhere in the 70s, will likely have low hardpoints for the ballistic and the energies if the current Phracts are any indication (the high energy hardpoints are in the torsos in the other ones, the 0X gets no torso energy), and cannot run a Gauss with an XL.


In what world will this Cataphract ever surpass the Hellbringer? There is literally nothing, barring an AC10 non-JJ meta, that would make this mech better than a Hellbringer.

[Vassago Rain]

Prosperity Park, on 04 May 2015 - 02:04 PM, said:

How the heck are we supposed to take you seriously? You are comparing the Hellbringer to a Cataphract that *was* meta-compliant back when poptarting was king and gauss+PPC were fired at a single trigger-pull. To compare the hellbringer to a cataphract now is not something I can take seriously, especially a cataphract without any shoulder hard points...

Seriously.

It's Gyrok, man. He truly, actually, believes the things he says. Just ignore him.

[Gas Guzzler]

Prosperity Park, on 04 May 2015 - 02:04 PM, said:

How the heck are we supposed to take you seriously? You are comparing the Hellbringer to a Cataphract that *was* meta-compliant back when poptarting was king and gauss+PPC were fired at a single trigger-pull. To compare the hellbringer to a cataphract now is not something I can take seriously, especially a cataphract without any shoulder hard points...

Seriously.

That Catahract had JJ's too, this one does not. Even with a return to poptarting, you would see the 3D above this one.

[Ultimax]

FupDup, on 04 May 2015 - 12:43 PM, said:

Maybe the RT ballistic(s) will be high-mounted like the original artwork?



That might help.

That would help, but without high energy mounts it's at best one Gauss rifle, and highly unlikely to even receive 1/3rd the quirks a grid iron gets.

It will be decent, but it's going to need a bit more high mounted firepower if it wants to play in the same league as the HBR.

[Bishop Steiner]

Gyrok, on 04 May 2015 - 12:25 PM, said:

So, IS gets 55 ton ECM medium and 70 ton ECM heavy?

Clans get 65 ton ECM heavy and 45 ton ECM medium...

...

And Immortal XL engines, 2 crit DHS, etc.

Really, you gotta stop being a buster and learn to let go of the QQ, man.