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[Brazo Izquierdo de Muerte]

ok so after reading some posts on here about how every one KNOWS how this game is gonna turn out, i feel have to retort. so first and for most

THE DEVS ARE NOT STUPID. ill say this one more time for the reading impared. THE DEVS ARE NOT STUPID. all it takes is half a brain to just spend about 30 min here on the site to figured out that these guys LOVE this game and the world that it comes from. they are not gonna mess up this game by making some silly mistake that every one seams to be worried about. (wanna know how i know this? ) cuase i read the forums and 99.9% of any thing that could get messed up as been discused to hell and back in this community and pretty much every one knows how every one feels about what ever subject.

Not to mention that if you read half of the questions that have been asked to the devs you start to notice that PPL KEEP ASKING THE SAME FRIGGING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND OVER. and yet our devs keep giving the same answers and even take time to reiterate the same answers they have given. (never mind that they could easlily just add a link to there post and tell ppl "here this has been covered to death and back in this topic here") so if they care about it this much to keep answering said same questions, i think the game will be ok.


On another note. (and yes i feel have to state the obvious here) this is mech warrior online. IT ITS NOT WoW,IT IS NOT AION,IT IS NOT WORLD OF TANKS, IT IS NOT RIFT, IT IS NOT EVE, IT IS NOT PLANETSIDE. it is mech warrior online. guess what its gonna play like? ITS GONNA PLAY LIKE MECH WARRIOR ONLINE. ( I know crazy thought huh?) now im sure it might have some smililaritys to some games but thats it.

oh and to be clear there is no lvl 1 mech and lvl 10 mech. there are just mechs and you pilot them. you kill with them or you be killed with them. there is no tonnage = lvl of mech. (this is in referance to some one thinking that a jenner or other light mech is a lvl 1 mech and an atlas or other is a lvl 10 there for they thought when they got the higher lvl mech there was no point in the light mechs since they were lvl 1 and therefore junk.) its a mech, you blow stuff up with it. its a really simple concept.

Also i know this is asking alot of ppl but if you are new to this world i have to tell you something, http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Main_Page for the love of god use this. its got tons of info on mechs,weapons, tanks, aerospace figters,omnimechs, and all kinds of other stuff like dropships and jumpships and olympus class recharge stations hell there is a break down on the hyper pulse generators there too. not to mention the Inner Sphere houses and planets and also the merc corps there and theres just a lil bit on there about those crazy clanners .

oh speaking of the clans. since i keep reading this "oh god the game is gonna get all unbalanced when the clans come nonsence." i have something to tell you. no it is not. wanna know how i know this? BECAUSE THE DEVS ARE NOT STUPID. the only way this gets unbalanced is if they just give up bring the clanners in and dont care what happens. hmmm i think i can see that happening, never mind all the hard work that garth and paul and the rest have put in to this game, ya i really think there just gonna throw that all away for nothing. i mean lets ask them. Garth, paul? yall are just gonna throw the clanners in and walk away right? and not care about making sure the game is still oh i dunno fun? Garth? Garth? wow no responce. see that thought is so crazy he cant even begin to answer it.

Not to mention that this thought is a lil offensive if you think about it. i mean they only answer questions they have already answerd but i really see them just giving up and ya screw this game and community.

i guess in the end what im trying to say is if you wanna play this game and you like it you should read up on some of the things in the mechwarrior univers. i mean i would wanna do some reading (notice i said SOME not become a battletech expert).

Also just have some faith in MWO and its creators. i myself dropped 120 in to this game already. and you know what? i wont even get to play this game cause im stuck on a boat with a crappy computer till october. and you know what im happy spending that kind of money because I BELIVE in the game and the devs. and no i dont think you should just get a beta key. i think you should have to spend the money to get in the beta and here is why. Becuase the beta is the time where WE get to really put our 2 cents in to things about the game, and as far as me the only ppl i want putting their 2 cents in to this game are the ppl that really wanna be here. (not saying that if you dont pay your opinon should not count at all) but i want my game to be influenced by fans and ppl that love mechwarrior. not some random person that cant be bothered to get off there butt and do some reading and research in to the univers.

Any way this is just my 2 cents. cant wait to be blasting the hell out of all of you in the coming months

Not mad at any one (to fat to be mad) just trying to get ppl to do that crazy thing called thinking before spewing some of this none sence

[HybridTheory]

Everyone is going to have opinions... it just blows my mind that many of them are based on zero knowledge of Mechwarrior lore, and more importantly... judging a game that hasn't even been released yet. Very ignorant to say the least. WoT is NOTHING like Mechwarrior ever was or (I hope at least) ever will be... have no fear... the WoT freaks will dwindle over time

[Brazo Izquierdo de Muerte]

blows my mind too hybrid ol buddy. it blows my mind too.

[Bluey]

I made tons of stuff in my life but this picture maybe abit simple yet It makes a Ultimate point


"MWO is superiour, WoT is inferior"
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Edited by Bluey, 02 July 2012 - 11:22 PM.

[Vosgedzam]

Alisyn Chaynes, on 02 July 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

ok so after reading some posts on here about how every one KNOWS how this game is gonna turn out, i feel have to retort. so first and for most

THE DEVS ARE NOT STUPID. ill say this one more time for the hearing impared. THE DEVS ARE NOT STUPID.

I'm deaf and I caught that one.. What does our hearing abilities have to do with our abilities to READ the devs' blogs, and their explanations for the game?

Bluey, on 02 July 2012 - 11:18 PM, said:

I made tons of stuff in my life but this picture maybe abit simple yet It makes a Ultimate point


"MWO is superiour, WoT is inferior"
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I like that!

[Tzeentch]

Vosgedzam, on 02 July 2012 - 11:20 PM, said:

I'm deaf and I caught that one.. What does our hearing abilities have to do with our abilities to READ the devs' blogs, and their explanations for the game?

The word he was searching for is illiterate.

[DarkCain]

Classic. I think he meant the mentally impaired...

I am still trying to figure out why these player clans coming in from WoT and EVE think that their success and experience in those games will translate into instant success in MWO. I've played both games in question. There is nothing that I've seen to date in either that will help them here. MWO's mechanics and proposed player progression are the key reasons for why I say this.

In light of what I've seen and experienced so far, the only people that will have any sort of advantage here are avid fans of the Mechwarrior genre or ones that played in MPBT, MWL, ISW, or any other long term Mech leagues that used Mechwarrior games for conflict resolution. This advantage will be tempered by the learning curve that is inherent with this game.

Edited by DarkCain, 03 July 2012 - 12:02 AM.

[Nacon]

Alisyn Chaynes, on 02 July 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

THE DEVS ARE NOT STUPID. ill say this one more time for the hearing impared. THE DEVS ARE NOT STUPID.

I'm hearing impaired, not blind.

EDIT: at least the OP corrected himself. Thanks!

Edited by Nacon, 03 July 2012 - 12:06 AM.

[CCC Dober]

OP: The people are expressing their worries in a way that suggests they are fed up with second rate games. What I read between the lines is that they don't want MW:O to be like that. But since they have nothing to compare it to, they repeatedly fall back to those very same 2nd rate games and this is the only mistake (and I'm guilty as well in that regard). If you think it's bad now, brace for the exodus that is in the making once this game goes live. There's been considerable hype about it in the WoT community and people are fed up with how that game is handled. You can be sure they will be on their guard and express their hopes and wishes in kind. In other words: people got burned and don't want to be burned again, even though they like MW:O already. It's the same reason why WoT and other games have drawn their attention.

[BigJim]

Indeed, if I never heard the words "Tanks", "of" and "World" again I could die happy.

Edited by BigJim, 03 July 2012 - 12:09 AM.

[csebal]

OP: I understand your frustration, the "types" you mention did really rub us all the wrong way. Luckily tho, the moderators are already aware of "them". This thread however is not the solution. If anything, threads like this only make things worse. The next time around, if you are frustrated and angry, use the report option to report offensive and obviously trolling posts, instead of starting one of your own just to vent some coolant from your heatsinks.

DarkCain, on 02 July 2012 - 11:57 PM, said:

I am still trying to figure out why these player clans coming in from WoT and EVE think that their success and experience in those games will translate into instant success in MWO. I've played both games in question. There is nothing that I've seen to date in either that will help them here. The MWO's mechanics and proposed player progression is the key reason for why I say this.

I do not know about WoT, but as for EVE, you better accept the fact, that the player organizations in that game are pretty hardcore simply due to the unforgiving nature of that game. Those players coming from EVE, at least from the large PVP corporations have two distinct advantages over many.

1) Discipline - to be successful in EVE, you have to learn to follow the orders of your leaders to the letter in combat, or else you not only risk your own life, but the success of the whole operation, and if you do that too often, you will soon not be a part of the team.
2) Leadership - also grown out of neccessity, when dealing with groups of sometimes several hundreds of people at once in combat, you need to have a chain of command. You need to have leaders who are not only capable of tactical decision making in the heat of battle, but have the authority and skills to communicate those decisions in the forms of orders to the friendly combatants.

Large PVP corporations of EVE have mastered both those aspects and while being a good EVE player does not make you be a good MWO player from the get go, success in a team based game is at best 30% skill, the reamining 70% are teamwork and tactics, aspects in which EVE veterans will definitely be ahead of the pack. Not to mention, that in the case of certain EVE organizations, due to the sheer size of them, there bound to be at least a few players who turn out to be very good at MWO.

[Otto Cannon]

Tzeentch, on 02 July 2012 - 11:28 PM, said:

The word he was searching for is illiterate.

Tzeentch? Dude, you realise that if that name actually does suit you then you have to change it? Catch 22...

[Bluey]

Otto Cannon, on 03 July 2012 - 12:15 AM, said:

Tzeentch? Dude, you realise that if that name actually does suit you then you have to change it? Catch 22...

Stuff of Chaos
HERESY

[Otto Cannon]

Bluey, on 03 July 2012 - 12:23 AM, said:

Stuff of Chaos
HERESY

I had no idea that you could get Imperial Guard beastmen in blue dog flavour.

[Jardoval]

Alisyn Chaynes, on 02 July 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

oh and to be clear there is no lvl 1 mech and lvl 10 mech. there are just mechs and you pilot them. you kill with them or you be killed with them. there is no tonnage = lvl of mech. its a mech, you blow stuff up with it. its a really simple concept.

Alisyn Chaynes, on 02 July 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Main_Page for the love of god use this.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Tech_Level

just sayin ...

[Sparks Murphey]

Alisyn Chaynes, on 02 July 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

oh speaking of the clans. since i keep reading this "oh god the game is gonna get all unbalanced when the clans come nonsence." i have something to tell you. no it is not. wanna know how i know this? BECAUSE THE DEVS ARE NOT STUPID. the only way this gets unbalanced is if they just give up bring the clanners in and dont care what happens. hmmm i think i can see that happening, never mind all the hard work that garth and paul and the rest have put in to this game, ya i really think there just gonna throw that all away for nothing. i mean lets ask them. Garth, paul? yall are just gonna throw the clanners in and walk away right? and not care about making sure the game is still oh i dunno fun? Garth? Garth? wow no responce. see that thought is so crazy he cant even begin to answer it.

I'm gonna go a step further, and present the following little play, entitled "What Year Should We Set It In?"

.oOo.

INT. PGI OFFICES. DAY.

DEV1 is working hard on MechWarrior 5. Suddenly, DEV 2 bursts through the door.

DEV1: "Hi, Dev2! How are you?"

DEV2: "Great, Dev1! Say, what's that you are working on?"

DEV1: "It's the new MechWarrior game! It's set on the planet Deshler in the year 3015!"

DEV2: "Sounds great, Dev1! But here's a thought: how about we move the the setting to the year 3049?"

DEV1: "3049?!? But that's right before the Clan invasion! And nothing else nearly significant happens then! If we wanted lostech in the game, we could just set it at the start of the War of '39 and ensure a decade of play before having to deal with the clans! How will we deal with the power imbalance inherent in the Clans?"

DEV2: "I have no idea! But its so much better than not unbalancing the game horribly and leaving it in 3015, amirite?"

.oOo.

Okay, I'll admit it, I'm not a great writer. I should have really come up with some kind of reason that Dev2 wants to move the game to 3049. Unless...unless he really does have a plan in mind for the Clans! And they play a pivotal point in the game!

Gasp!

Hang on, need to contact my agent and get to redrafting this before it makes it to Broadway.

[Bluey]

Otto Cannon, on 03 July 2012 - 12:43 AM, said:

I had no idea that you could get Imperial Guard beastmen in blue dog flavour.

Atleast you know what a beastman is xD
And for the sake of everything GOOD I mah wolf not a dog xD Should I type it in my signature XD

[Lupin]

I am enjoying reading these types of posts over WoT and what MWO will or will not do. I am SURE DEVS are keeping an eye out for interesting ideas.
As I am sure that they have seen the MANY faults on other online games (Including WoT) and I hope they will learn to avoid them.

Sadly I do think genuine MW fans are in for a hard time over the first few months after game release, as we see TROLL and the plan dumb come and go. What will be left will be better for it and I hope worth the wait.

[Brazo Izquierdo de Muerte]

Jardoval, on 03 July 2012 - 12:43 AM, said:

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Tech_Level

just sayin ...

thats tech lvl not mech lvl ( i was refering to a post i had read earlyer where a person was considering a jenner a lvl 1 mech and an atlas a lvl 10 mech.

Edited by Alisyn Chaynes, 03 July 2012 - 01:11 AM.

[DarkCain]

csebal, on 03 July 2012 - 12:14 AM, said:

OP: I understand your frustration, the "types" you mention did really rub us all the wrong way. Luckily tho, the moderators are already aware of "them". This thread however is not the solution. If anything, threads like this only make things worse. The next time around, if you are frustrated and angry, use the report option to report offensive and obviously trolling posts, instead of starting one of your own just to vent some coolant from your heatsinks.


I do not know about WoT, but as for EVE, you better accept the fact, that the player organizations in that game are pretty hardcore simply due to the unforgiving nature of that game. Those players coming from EVE, at least from the large PVP corporations have two distinct advantages over many.

1) Discipline - to be successful in EVE, you have to learn to follow the orders of your leaders to the letter in combat, or else you not only risk your own life, but the success of the whole operation, and if you do that too often, you will soon not be a part of the team.
2) Leadership - also grown out of neccessity, when dealing with groups of sometimes several hundreds of people at once in combat, you need to have a chain of command. You need to have leaders who are not only capable of tactical decision making in the heat of battle, but have the authority and skills to communicate those decisions in the forms of orders to the friendly combatants.

Large PVP corporations of EVE have mastered both those aspects and while being a good EVE player does not make you be a good MWO player from the get go, success in a team based game is at best 30% skill, the reamining 70% are teamwork and tactics, aspects in which EVE veterans will definitely be ahead of the pack. Not to mention, that in the case of certain EVE organizations, due to the sheer size of them, there bound to be at least a few players who turn out to be very good at MWO.

This argument is hypothetical given that we do not know what community warfare is going to be like. From what has been hinted, there is a great deal more structure involved than EVE's sandbox format. So as having the advantage... Over the regular Joe and run of the mill gaming clans coming in to play the game, perhaps. What you are forgetting to add is skill and experience. So compared to MWL or ISW units? I would still take any MWL or ISW unit over the best EVE based one any day of the week. Units like KaoS and DHB have the advantage here with their leadership, discipline, skill, and years of experience with the system/genre in question. EVE gaming clans will still have to acquire the skill and experience before I would agree with you (and even then I'd put them behind the power curve that represents the head start that the veteran player Mechwarrior units will have. Sheer numbers do not translate into instant win, only a broader pool in which to maybe find someone with potential.)

The big problem many are having is the arrogant attitude and rule the roost mentality being exhibited by one of the larger EVE gaming clans (of very questionable reputation) coming into MWO. You don't come in and claim leadership, demand respect or trust. You earn it. These people haven't.