Uptick In Lrm Usage...
#1
Posted 09 May 2015 - 05:39 PM
Starting a few days into Tukayyid I noticed that I was seeing clan LRMs, and clan LRMS boats. I was seeing Mad Dogs a fair bit, and I even saw some LRM Catapults on the IS side.
Now, I haven't played CW in a week or two due to personal stuff going on in my family life and also because I have been venturing into the group queue for the first time in conjenction with other members of my new unit. But I have heard from a number of people that clan LRM usage has gone up even further.
So I was just wondering if anybody cares to theorize about this LRM resurgence - or to explain why if they know the reasons for a fact. Is the lack of CW-viable ECM mechs on the IS side driving this? I mean sure there's the Raven, but neither Stalkers, T-Bolts, nor Grid Irons have ECM obviously, and this is generally true along the rest of the IS CW-viable mechs. The new 'Phract May change this.
But yeah, any theories / explaination that people would venture to give?
#2
Posted 09 May 2015 - 05:50 PM
#3
Posted 09 May 2015 - 06:29 PM
But Turkyayd was all the PUG queue with less meta, so CW saw a lot more LRM players than usual.
Whether they have stayed popular or not I dont know, CW has been quiet since Turkyayd with burnout.
People may have worked out that the Stalker meta is actually very vulnerable to LRM unless they bring 3 ECM along to keep them covered. The ECM Cataphract may change that.
Clan meta less vulnerable because it already involves lots of Hellbringer.
#4
Posted 09 May 2015 - 10:43 PM
#5
Posted 10 May 2015 - 02:55 AM
#6
Posted 10 May 2015 - 01:21 PM
Edited by Mar X maN, 10 May 2015 - 01:22 PM.
#7
Posted 10 May 2015 - 01:35 PM
grendeldog, on 09 May 2015 - 05:39 PM, said:
People have become less dumb...
LRMs are great, but people didn't know how to use them properly, they just spam chain-fire (lol). The LRM resurgence is due to people starting to figure out how to use them effectively. I've been using lrm-boats for months. Since doing so, my k/d and w/l ratios have risen by 15%.
Man I swear, too many people limit themselves by obsessing over meta. Yea, direct-fire has been the status quo from the start of the year, and the few of us REAL lrm-boaters have been stomping that meta since early January. Sad that people are only waking up to this now, maybe Tukayyid would have played out differently if the IS wasn't so obsessed with ACs & Lasers and threw on a pair of lrm launchers once in a while.
#8
Posted 10 May 2015 - 02:02 PM
Repasy, on 10 May 2015 - 01:35 PM, said:
People have become less dumb...
LRMs are great, but people didn't know how to use them properly, they just spam chain-fire (lol). The LRM resurgence is due to people starting to figure out how to use them effectively. I've been using lrm-boats for months. Since doing so, my k/d and w/l ratios have risen by 15%.
Man I swear, too many people limit themselves by obsessing over meta. Yea, direct-fire has been the status quo from the start of the year, and the few of us REAL lrm-boaters have been stomping that meta since early January. Sad that people are only waking up to this now, maybe Tukayyid would have played out differently if the IS wasn't so obsessed with ACs & Lasers and threw on a pair of lrm launchers once in a while.
You mean the opposite (not necessarily dumber but way more complacent). When ECM is literally everywhere, people tend to forget that indirect missile fire exists let alone the need to avoid it. That said I usually pack multiple AMS on both my Summoner (a strong anti-missile platform) and Nova (the ultimate anti-missile platform).
Edited by Chagatay, 10 May 2015 - 02:02 PM.
#9
Posted 11 May 2015 - 04:50 AM
#10
Posted 11 May 2015 - 04:58 AM
#11
Posted 11 May 2015 - 08:03 AM
grendeldog, on 09 May 2015 - 05:39 PM, said:
Starting a few days into Tukayyid I noticed that I was seeing clan LRMs, and clan LRMS boats. I was seeing Mad Dogs a fair bit, and I even saw some LRM Catapults on the IS side.
Now, I haven't played CW in a week or two due to personal stuff going on in my family life and also because I have been venturing into the group queue for the first time in conjenction with other members of my new unit. But I have heard from a number of people that clan LRM usage has gone up even further.
So I was just wondering if anybody cares to theorize about this LRM resurgence - or to explain why if they know the reasons for a fact. Is the lack of CW-viable ECM mechs on the IS side driving this? I mean sure there's the Raven, but neither Stalkers, T-Bolts, nor Grid Irons have ECM obviously, and this is generally true along the rest of the IS CW-viable mechs. The new 'Phract May change this.
But yeah, any theories / explaination that people would venture to give?
WONDERFUL advice. Well thought out. One problem, though.
New players.
Now, if you're referring to organized groups that field large teams, that's one thing.....if you're talking to the solos and smaller groups, you've forgotten something very important....a lot of the solos you're seeing are new players that use trial mechs. Trial mechs are LRM heavy...and besides, one of the first things anyone learns is to make the lock happen, then fling things that don't miss.
Trial mechs can't have any modules, can't be unlocked in the skill trees....they're pretty much useless in CW, yet they're a staple of every PUG match.
It is what it is, man.
#12
Posted 11 May 2015 - 08:44 AM
Problem with LRMs is that they need a bad unexperienced enemy team to be even remotly useful.
UAV and NARC just doesn't cut it against a team that is aware of LRMs has multiple ECM/AMS and a dynamic playstyle.
That's why LRMs are not "Meta" and flat out inferior to any other weapon except the flamer. You simply wont get to use them against skilled enemies. Neither on Boreal nor on Caustic. ECM works in a way that renders LRMs useless when it comes to competetive play.
That being said i have to mention that LRMs have a purpose in MW:O. They help greatly when getting started and are pretty much the only weapon a player can use when playing with HoTaS or thelike.
Furthermore not everyone is eager to play the twitchy, torsotwisting, laservomiting, SRM-boating, peek-a-boo style that this game encourages to win. Some want a more vehicle-combat-sim style gameplay and they can have it here with MW:O and LRMs. Other than that I can't see a reason to bring LRMs. They are just bad.
When PGI wants to see LRMs used by more skilled players they need to change the way ECM behaves.
#13
Posted 11 May 2015 - 10:02 PM
Bring as much LRM's as u can, put them on any missile hardpoint a mech can fit. Makes life much more easier for us in CW.
#14
Posted 11 May 2015 - 11:05 PM
1) IS forces bring less ECM, thus LRM is more viable
2) Clan LRM weigh HALF what IS LRM weigh, lessening the opportunity cost to bringing LRMs
Why LRM still bad:
1) ECM still going to be all over the place
2) Cover, most pilots know how to use it
3) Spreads damage as bad or worse than any laser
#15
Posted 12 May 2015 - 02:22 PM
Adamski, on 11 May 2015 - 11:05 PM, said:
1) IS forces bring less ECM, thus LRM is more viable
2) Clan LRM weigh HALF what IS LRM weigh, lessening the opportunity cost to bringing LRMs
Why LRM still bad:
1) ECM still going to be all over the place
2) Cover, most pilots know how to use it
3) Spreads damage as bad or worse than any laser
Also, add the following in there somewhere:
Monthly crop of new players (it tends to happen during the first week of each month. The marketing people know how to do their jobs, I guess).
Allowing drop decks that consist of all trial mechs and implementing yet another poorly thought out event, the most recent one aimed at CW in particular.
Simply requiring 1 owned mech would cut down on the LRM usage in CW significantly. One would hope that by the time someone has managed to buy their own mech, they will have noticed how ineffective they are.
#16
Posted 12 May 2015 - 03:30 PM
But if you're good at the game, you will be more efficient (deal more death per damage) and far more consistent using other weapons.
Even with a Stalker, you can ridgehump, blast all lasers at an LRM boat, back down and usually completely dodge the LRMs thanks to Radar Deprivation (if the LRM boat even gets a lock). It's an annoyance, takes a bit more time than regular ridge humping, but in the end you'll end up taking less damage than if you were shooting at a direct fire mech, and what damage you do take is spread all around your mech instead of opening critical components.
#17
Posted 12 May 2015 - 03:44 PM
Willard Phule, on 12 May 2015 - 02:22 PM, said:
heh, when the event forced me to play cw having only kit foxes at that time i had to begin to use lurms to get the required 80 score, tried multiple builds, lasers, ballistics, srms/streaks, but a deck of a trial mech and 3 kit foxes vs people who are generally more organized and experienced... it's either lrm or suffering
Edited by bad arcade kitty, 12 May 2015 - 03:44 PM.
#18
Posted 12 May 2015 - 07:02 PM
#19
Posted 13 May 2015 - 06:04 AM
The Ice Ferret is probably going to get replaced by the Shadowcat... which is ALSO an ECM mech.
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