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[Piney II]

Appogee, on 14 May 2015 - 09:49 AM, said:

You need to get out of the prediction game, son

Agreed. Looks like I really blew this call.

[Tombstoner]

Jacon Ceronia, on 14 May 2015 - 10:10 AM, said:

I've noticed a significant increase in head shots, recently. Not just in my machines, but on our team. It's a little more than suspect when you have more than one or two guys die from head hits in the same drop, multiple times. It's as if the ban announcement has open the flood gates to even more players using these hacks-- but maybe we just had a night with some *really* bad luck. Either way, I appreciate MischiefSC's post.

When you build perfect convergence into your game .... expect people to take advantage of it. if we had a COF how ever this problem gets reduced.

[MischiefSC]

Mystere, on 14 May 2015 - 01:19 PM, said:

"No, we must form a lynch mob. We need to get our pound of flesh." - Typical online player

I don't know if that's typical. The typical online player can be counted on to say 'meh. Whatever. I'll buy it.'

That's WHY we have F2P games in the first place; most people are apathetically willing to just go with whatever and ignore problems and use exploits if it seems easy and viable and they'll get away with it.

There's just a really vocal subset who goes through life, on and off line, bouncing between emergencies and drama and over-reactions to stuff and gets their validation from proving other people 'wrong', in large part because they've never done anything in their life that provides any real validation or value from proving themselves 'right'. For a measurable segment of people the most significant thing they can hope to do or be attached to is finding relevance in opposition to something worthy of attention, good or bad.

Anyway. Bit of a tangent.

I am pleased that PGI has put forward a willingness to put the energy into addressing cheating. I hope they actually keep it up instead of doing what most games do; take a hard stance, see how difficult and thankless it is and wander off somewhere else.

Tombstoner, on 14 May 2015 - 01:38 PM, said:

When you build perfect convergence into your game .... expect people to take advantage of it. if we had a COF how ever this problem gets reduced.

People just find something else to exploit. One thing I can say is - whatever you do, there are players who will find a way to cheat at it. For some people it's more fun to play against the game itself than actually play the game.

[Piney II]

Cheaters gonna cheat.................and I'm not sweating it. The hand wringing and hysteria will fade and Mech life will go on.

[Johnny Z]

MischiefSC, on 14 May 2015 - 01:46 PM, said:

I don't know if that's typical. The typical online player can be counted on to say 'meh. Whatever. I'll buy it.'

That's WHY we have F2P games in the first place; most people are apathetically willing to just go with whatever and ignore problems and use exploits if it seems easy and viable and they'll get away with it.

There's just a really vocal subset who goes through life, on and off line, bouncing between emergencies and drama and over-reactions to stuff and gets their validation from proving other people 'wrong', in large part because they've never done anything in their life that provides any real validation or value from proving themselves 'right'. For a measurable segment of people the most significant thing they can hope to do or be attached to is finding relevance in opposition to something worthy of attention, good or bad.

Anyway. Bit of a tangent.

I am pleased that PGI has put forward a willingness to put the energy into addressing cheating. I hope they actually keep it up instead of doing what most games do; take a hard stance, see how difficult and thankless it is and wander off somewhere else.



People just find something else to exploit. One thing I can say is - whatever you do, there are players who will find a way to cheat at it. For some people it's more fun to play against the game itself than actually play the game.

Haha dude you need to rethink everything you put in this reply is all I have to say. Its like you got everything wrong on purpose here. Funny stuff. Has to be troll bait. Um nevermind.

Edited by Johnny Z, 14 May 2015 - 01:55 PM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Tombstoner, on 14 May 2015 - 01:38 PM, said:

When you build perfect convergence into your game .... expect people to take advantage of it. if we had a COF how ever this problem gets reduced.

And most people who left games with COF would have left this one as well.

[Bill Lumbar]

I don't know anyone that has used "cheats" in this game. If I get stomped in a drop, someone cheating it the last thing on my mind. I just come back even harder next match.... Kinda like this

https://youtu.be/H3GPrFZ33lo

Edited by Bill Lumbar, 15 May 2015 - 08:17 PM.

[lshtaria]

Copypasta from another similar thread......

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Basically PGI can't actually "detect" these scriddies and have to rely on submissions from us to weed them out. Even if we were to submit detailed evidence to them they would still have to verify the accused player by directly observing them themselves before hitting the ban hammer.

To "detect" such software being used directly they would have to program something to look for the signatures of the hackware or subscribe to an anti-cheat. But even then a compliant anti-cheat requires synergy between the game devs and the anti-cheat operators, something that was desperately lacking in APB:Reloaded - an example of a game near enough destroyed by scriddies.

Now I'm not saying that the end of the world is nigh or we are being overrun by basement dwellers, we're not. Cheating in this game is extremely small but this is only because we're a blip on the radar of "what is worth cheating in".

PGI have relied on a small and niche playerbase and various server sided mechanics but that can only take them so far. Even in this environment we're starting to reach the stage of needing some kind of cheat protection/scanning.

ModeratePudding was the tip of the iceberg and only someone who was pointed out to them because of their blatant use of wallhacking in a comp environment. There are a lot more out there who are using the H***** toolset.

Epidemic? No. Potentially? Yes. This is now something that PGI can no longer ignore and unfortunately part of their budget now has to go towards this.

[lshtaria]

Careful where you point those hacks yo!

[Tombstoner]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 15 May 2015 - 04:29 PM, said:

And most people who left games with COF would have left this one as well.

That's why you start with a COF and let players chose to add equipment , modify play style, grind better gear, level a pilot skill tree all to make it pin point once again.... it also makes inter weapon balancing much easier. then you can add on the anti cheat systems.

Over all you make game play deeper. Theirs a reason aim bots use sniper rifles.....

[Ragtag soldier]

there's other ways to fix convergence than CoF, you know.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

So any new ppl with the badge of shame?

[ThatGuy1972]

I quit this game because of all the cheating. When you are playing a Timberwolf and an opponent hits you at over 1000 yds, in the cockpit only with a AC 20, he is cheating. When I reported this to PGI I was told I would be banned if I repeated calling players cheaters. The hackers in this game don't even try to hide the fact they are hacking anymore, its why I quit, and will nvr come back, **** you PGI! Also, when the admin of the forum is defending a clan of hackers because he is friends with them, even after you watched them cheat, this game and its admins are ruined, so like I said **** you PGI!

[pbiggz]

[Dauntless Blint]

Black Ivan, on 13 May 2015 - 11:28 PM, said:

Best thing I had was 3 Gauss shots to a Adder's torso center was already stripped of armor. Scored 3 Gauss hits + Lasers and machine guns and the center was only orange.

Packet loss is common, the network architecture and damage desync is definitely iffy. Mainly I think it's connection issues.

[PocketYoda]

Dauntless Blint, on 19 March 2021 - 07:20 PM, said:

Packet loss is common, the network architecture and damage desync is definitely iffy. Mainly I think it's connection issues.

1000 yard Ac/20 headshots is not packet loss rofl.. but funny as.

[Nightbird]

To ban someone from cheating, all you need to do is provide a video from their perspective and PGI will ban them right away. Stop complaining...

[MTier Slayed Up]

Zaccheus, on 12 May 2015 - 02:20 PM, said:

Interesting thread considering they said giving such information could be bannable. I have no idea what cheats may exist, just pointing out you might not want to dig this particular hole

It's not bannable by discussing what has existed in the past.

A few of the commons ones have been wall hacks, and aimbots. Our lord and savior FantasticTuesday headshotted a hacker before she got banned like the next day. Can't make this stuff up. Lol.

Anyways, the hacks themselves have been stated by PGI in the past that they're not very reliable, and thus, has never been really an issue.

No one really hacks at this game really unless they're really really new and have an ego problem. AKA: Most kids.

Edit - If you are aware of such hacking sites or where they may be available or which player is using it, obviously report it both to PGI and the FTC (if you're in the U.S.).

Edited by DrtyDshSoap, 20 March 2021 - 01:02 AM.

[Gagis]

DrtyDshSoap, on 20 March 2021 - 12:57 AM, said:

Edit - If you are aware of such hacking sites or where they may be available or which player is using it, obviously report it both to PGI and the FTC (if you're in the U.S.).

The developer for the biggest Cryengine cheat tool to have affected MWO in the past actually got taken out by the FTC if I recall right. This works.

Also, this thread was 6 years old. 6 years.

[Abisha]

I think they means stuff like rapid-fire (so you can optimize your firing) by a marco
still i not sure if that's considered cheating or not it's not really clear it's not like you "hack or anything"

and most advanced mouse's have this type of functions.
macro's always have been the gray area