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[Zen555]

So I've never been in a match where I seriously suspected cheating. Ever. I've heard plenty of people complain, sure, but half the time they're on my team and I'm doing just fine. I'd seriously thought that there was NO actual, bona fide way to cheat.

But now this announcement says that there are, in fact, ways to cheat, and at least one person was using it. And that person was a top tier player, so it stands to reason that the cheat was pretty effective or they wouldn't have bothered.

So can anyone please explain what types of cheats have historically existed (just in this game...don't care about how you got unfairly fragged in Quake III). I mean stuff that actually happened, not theoretical what-ifs. I'm well aware of theoretical technology; I just don't see how any of it is actually giving someone a competitive advantage in this particular game.

Thanks!

[Appogee]

All the top tier players area using it. Every single one. You didn't realise before now...?

Basically, the hack gives them a wireframe view of the entire map, autopilots their Mech in the direction of the enemy Mech with the weakest armor, and then alphas all the weapons direct at the enemy Mech's CT with no heat penalty. After every enemy kill, it redistributes the players' own armor so that any exposed components are again fully armored.

Oh and it also gives them +50kph speed, unlimited ammo and 3X weapon range.











* I'm kidding.

Edited by Appogee, 12 May 2015 - 02:20 PM.

[Piney II]

I predict a very short life for this thread.

[Zaccheus]

Interesting thread considering they said giving such information could be bannable. I have no idea what cheats may exist, just pointing out you might not want to dig this particular hole

[LordNothing]

ive seen things that could be cheating, but there is also the distinct possibility of game bugs or network issues.

[Ragtag soldier]

while i'm not gonna go into any detail, the most common game "Assisting" software tends to provide:

• aimbots: a program that autocorrects your cursor towards the closest valid target
  
• maphack: a program that shows you the location of enemies through obsticles and at any range
  
• infobot: a variably detailed description of any enemy tailored to tell you what you need to know about them.

of the three, the map hacking is most serious, since it lets you fight enemies on your terms pretty much every time. if one guy in the group has a maphack they can direct their team into position to roll pretty much every time. you'll find this in just about any game online eventually. there's probably more stuff, but i'm too lazy to find out the full packages people make for this specific game.

[Pjwned]

People (read: idiots) were getting in a huff and a tizzy about cheaters being everywhere with loads of drama involved (because they're idiots) so PGI had to step in and waste their time saying something about it so that people would calm down.

The general consensus before all this seemed to be that cheating was pretty much non-existent, with the occasional wild claim/accusation about cheating posted with no real evidence, but apparently it does exist even if it's not very good nor is it safe to use without getting banned, so since it exists then naturally people went apeshit about it.

Edited by Pjwned, 12 May 2015 - 02:43 PM.

[CDLord HHGD]

inb4lock

I'm glad PGI came forward and PGI is taking action. I have nothing to worry about so it should stop right there for the majority of us.

[Kristov Kerensky]

It exists, it existed before MWO was created, the CryTek engine has many many working hacks that worked in Closed Beta just fine. PGI changed the network coding from client to serverside auth, so the hacks were out for about a week, then they came back.

Aimbots, wallhacks, etc.

PGI will detect their usage because it's obvious, even the people making know this, they don't care, they charge for them, so it's good for business that PGI be able to stop them for a bit.

1 top tier player has been busted so far, expect more to be found as time goes along, its what happens, especially when money gets put in as prizes.

[LORD TSARKON]

There are Worse things than cheatin...according to the Patriots

[Triordinant]

Zen555, on 12 May 2015 - 02:15 PM, said:

So I've never been in a match where I seriously suspected cheating. Ever. I've heard plenty of people complain, sure, but half the time they're on my team and I'm doing just fine. I'd seriously thought that there was NO actual, bona fide way to cheat.

But now this announcement says that there are, in fact, ways to cheat, and at least one person was using it. And that person was a top tier player, so it stands to reason that the cheat was pretty effective or they wouldn't have bothered.

So can anyone please explain what types of cheats have historically existed (just in this game...don't care about how you got unfairly fragged in Quake III). I mean stuff that actually happened, not theoretical what-ifs. I'm well aware of theoretical technology; I just don't see how any of it is actually giving someone a competitive advantage in this particular game.

Thanks!

That announcement has a corresponding forum thread. Everything you need to know is here.

[Mechteric]

It has more to do with a program that unnaturally guides your reticle to just the right spot on the enemy mech. Thing is that if the MWO devs are clever they can tell the difference in aiming data points that are natural and those that aren't, so hopefully that is exactly how they are detecting this.

[Troutmonkey]

If you actually bothered to read the post -

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The discussion and proliferation of these tools through any of the Piranha Games and MechWarrior Online services, such as in-game chat or through the forums, is prohibited by the Terms of Service and Code of Conduct. Any such discussions will be subject to appropriate moderation. This includes "name and shame" topics or posts.

[N0ni]

Give it a rest ok? If you're so concerned about cheating in this game go read the 200 other threads about it.

The person that used it was not a top tier player (otherwise why cheat?), was banned... let's move on.

Go play some drops in solo/group/CW instead of fanning the flames.

-kthx

[Mystere]

Pjwned, on 12 May 2015 - 02:34 PM, said:

People (read: idiots) were getting in a huff and a tizzy about cheaters being everywhere with loads of drama involved (because they're idiots) so PGI had to step in and waste their time saying something about it so that people would calm down.

The general consensus before all this seemed to be that cheating was pretty much non-existent, with the occasional wild claim/accusation about cheating posted with no real evidence, but apparently it does exist even if it's not very good nor is it safe to use without getting banned, so since it exists then naturally people went apeshit about it.

Well, just to be accurate, quite a number of people playing MWO go apeshit on almost anything.

[Kilo 40]

Mystere, on 12 May 2015 - 08:50 PM, said:

Well, just to be accurate, quite a number of people playing MWO go apeshit on almost anything.

OMG!!!! I CANTBELIEVE YOU EVEN SAID THAT!!!1!1!! WHAT BS!1!!!!1!

[Pjwned]

Mystere, on 12 May 2015 - 08:50 PM, said:

Well, just to be accurate, quite a number of people playing MWO go apeshit on almost anything.

Those other matters tend to be observable to a much greater extent though, unlike the 1 or 2 incidents showing cheats lately and suddenly that means rampant cheating everywhere to some people.

[CocoaJin]

Whatcha talking about in here...uh-oh

Edited by CocoaJin, 12 May 2015 - 09:22 PM.

[Mystere]

Pjwned, on 12 May 2015 - 09:16 PM, said:

Those other matters tend to be observable to a much greater extent though, unlike the 1 or 2 incidents showing cheats lately and suddenly that means rampant cheating everywhere to some people.

I see the PGI statement as just the excuse many people have been waiting for for a long time now.

Kilo 40, on 12 May 2015 - 08:54 PM, said:

OMG!!!! I CANTBELIEVE YOU EVEN SAID THAT!!!1!1!! WHAT BS!1!!!!1!

I dare to go where no one else does.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Pjwned, on 12 May 2015 - 02:34 PM, said:

People (read: idiots) were getting in a huff and a tizzy about cheaters being everywhere with loads of drama involved (because they're idiots) so PGI had to step in and waste their time saying something about it so that people would calm down.

So to you they banned the pilot for nothing?

CocoaJin, on 12 May 2015 - 09:19 PM, said:

Whatcha talking about in here...uh-oh