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[Hayato1983]

"Project Phoenix will be made available for a limited time only, and once vaulted these packages will never be made available again!" statement right there. If your going to keep this path dont make these statements never ever!

Edited by Hayato1983, 14 May 2015 - 04:13 PM.

[Tank]

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20 points = Spring Hula Girl! (In addition to this standard Prize, Phoenix owners who reach this tier will also receive a Standing Beer Stein of their Phoenix level.)

PGI... I like that you facilitate my weird addiction with cockpit Hula Girls.


What can I say....

[Smoked]

Imperius, on 14 May 2015 - 04:08 PM, said:

This game needs more polish, lore, and a better new user experience before steam, not a mech pack! My list is huge on improvements but everything seems on hold till CW gets its crap...

Agreed. I will estimate, "using the ancient art of pulling numbers out of my nether regions", that upon steam release there will be about 8x more players for a period of 2 weeks. After that maybe down to 4x. Reception/reviews will be about 70% positive due to lack of polish, crashes to desktop, bugs, inability to reach server, extremely high system requirements to make this game playable, extremely long queue times for CW content, lack of good tutorials and fair to steep learning curve. Only about 1/16 of the new users will purchase anything. After a month playerbase will remain about 2x as what it has now. Any thoughts of a steam release in the near future will result in bad reviews and prevent any growth in population for a while. Because of the BT lore, MWO continues. If it didn't have that lore, if this game was all generic robots, I highly doubt many people would still be playing this game, just for product alone.

[Gattsus]

Niiiice!!!

[Imperius]

Bilbo, on 14 May 2015 - 04:12 PM, said:

Do you actually lose anything though? With the exception of the Gold mechs, which they will probably never do again on chassis new or old, they could put all the mechs already sold in previous packs in a package(s), stick a new letter behind their name, change the paintjob, rake in the cash, and you couldn't actually say they are reselling a package already sold.

Yeah I lose faith in thier word on sales... You know the part that says LIMITED TIME ONLY...

[Bilbo]

Imperius, on 14 May 2015 - 04:26 PM, said:

Yeah I lose faith in thier word on sales... You know the part that says LIMITED TIME ONLY...

Ok. Vote no then.

[Imperius]

You must not be a collector hence you won't ever understand how you feel cheated now that it's available made in China now and in mass.

[Bilbo]

Imperius, on 14 May 2015 - 04:31 PM, said:

You must not be a collector hence you won't ever understand how you feel cheated now that it's available made in China now and in mass.

In this game I am, as well as some IRL things. Since I'll never actually have a physical copy of anything I buy here, I see no real value in the rarity of any of it.

[Heckbird]

Well I'll be voting yes, because the phoenix package is a mech package and all the other mech packages are still in the store so I don't see why not.
As far as the founders package I don't see them putting it on sale because the value of that was more than just mechs. The MC you got in the package was worth the price of the package alone. That's why I only picked up the veterans level when that was available.

[YUyahoo]

Bilbo, on 14 May 2015 - 04:35 PM, said:

In this game I am, as well as some IRL things. Since I'll never actually have a physical copy of anything I buy here, I see no real value in the rarity of any of it.

You may not see a value but someone else might...everyone sees things differently and that is perfectly OK

[Bilbo]

YUyahoo, on 14 May 2015 - 04:38 PM, said:

You may not see a value but someone else might...everyone sees things differently and that is perfectly OK

That's why I'm fine with it either way. Probably why it's a good thing they are putting it up for vote to those who bought it.

[100 Tonne]

Of cause what they need to do for all future packs is NOT to have the never to be repeated line. That way the can always re-release them at some point. Perhaps not with the same early reward offers.

But they really need to stick to their word no matter what! just for the sake of creditability.

[Kali Rinpoche]

Was hoping this would be this weekend event. Frankly, I could care less about whether Phoenix gets brought back or not. It was my 1st micro transaction ever, but what ever helps keep the game profitable without totally ruining or gating content, I'm ok with. I continue to buy packages b/c I want the game to not go belly up. Every Phoenix package sold allows all the F2P folks to have a game to play and enjoy.

The only thing I would suggest, is a slightly different forum/game badge to differentiate b/w augural supporters and those that bought version 2.0. ( I think that would allay some of the limited time only folks.)

Edit: I am 100% against this ever happening to Founder's packages. I think that should never be touched.

Edited by Kali Rinpoche, 14 May 2015 - 04:56 PM.

[Chuanhao]

I cant imagine any good reason not to re release the phoenix pack other than the "lost" feeling of limitedness.

And then the event lets those that have no need for it to decide for the rest whether there should be a re release or not. So its a kind of justice. Let those that stand to lose out on their limitedness decide whether or not to.

For those that feel the lost from no longer being "special", the phoenix pack is not much different from resistance 1 and 2 in terms of format. So since waves 1 and 2 are available, no reason not to.

I make the exception for founders. Those are the special bunch that had the blind faith at the start. I cannot imagine myself getting a founders badge when im not actually one. So if founders is re released, the badges should be significantly different.

the founders deserve it.

[Moldur]

It's not like PGI is outright re-releasing a limited edition package. They're letting people who own it decide.

[Grendel408]

Founder Mechs SHOULD NOT become available again to the current community. Sorry folks, that was for us brave souls that wanted early access Closed Beta and paid for it... literally. Also... because I paid for Legendary, I got my name in the MWO credits... something you late-comes don't deserve in all honesty. We are part of a Founder's program... those type of things don't pop back up for people late to the party. Snooze, you lose...

Bringing back the Phoenix Package, I'm all for it. Barely a year ago it came out, lots missed out or held back because they were unsure... now they might have the chance to purchase something many of us enjoyed.

[Imperius]

Time to ask for a Wilson cockpit item, I'll need a friend back on my island of reason and mistrust.

[Twilight Fenrir]

Both sides have very valid arguments... they did say, "NEVER AGAIN" in their advertising... Leaving it up to vote is well and fine, but I feel like they should skew the criteria quite a bit... 50/50 isn't good enough of a consensus for something like this. It should be AT LEAST 60%, probably 70% before it will pass...

I want to buy the Phoenix packs, but I don't want to do so if it will lessen the original purchasers in their eyes. Some people are always gonna hate, I know that... So, I'm curious how this will turn out.

[Thunder Child]

As a Phoenix Overlord owner, I am definitely gonna vote No.

Yes, it would be nice to get the Saber Package, but Phoenix was a big thing at the time. It was a LIMITED TIME offer. It'd be like them re-releasing the Gold Mechs again in 3 weeks time.

Not like the Founders deal though. As posted above, that was a completely different kettle of fish. That was like buying a Lotto ticket and hoping for the jackpot (or, you know, investing in a kickstarter game....).

So in short, no, the Phoenix Package should NOT be available again. BUT, I would like to see a Tukayyid pack or packs (one for IS, one for Clan, perhaps). They could even be remix packages of currently available chassis, with a <CW> variant for each chassis per pack that provides bonus Loyalty Points.

[N0MAD]

IGP is making them do it, It was their position at the time, seriously these guys got no morals.
They said it was a limited time offer, they are trying to avoid taking blame for lies by putting it on the owners of the pack.
Smacks of desperation.
Man up keep your promises, ohhh LOL its PGI.