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[Sereglach]

Lyoto Machida, on 15 May 2015 - 12:09 PM, said:

So...how far has the game really come in the last year? We've got a CW mode that nobody really plays...what else?

Let's hear it.

Look at all the bug fixes in the patch notes. Go look at the amazing MechLab overhaul that's coming, VOIP, 3D vision support, and a boatload of other features you probably don't care about because it's not YOUR vision of what the game should be, despite having a smaller staff of ~50 people.

Also, if you look at the CW BETA, it's coming along quite nicely. Who cares if people aren't flocking to it at this exact second. There was a HUGE event that had a great turnout, and now we're in-between iterations. I'm sure once the next series of modifications and advancements come to CW people will go back to it and the population there will liven up again.

If you actually took the time to take into account how quickly they're cranking out maps (6 since December . . . that's averaging one a month), and what they've got in store for the original series of maps, you'd realize that they've come a long way, they're knocking things out reasonably fast for their staff size, and that the game will continue to expand at a very respectable pace.

But I'm sure all of that isn't good enough for you, and I'm sure if I were to actually go back and list the HUGE pile of improvements and advances (seriously, just start with all the geometry fixes on maps and patch notes, that alone is quite a list), bullet by bullet, it still wouldn't be good enough for you. I'm sure if the game were even further along then it is now it STILL wouldn't be good enough for you.

There's a very sad number of people on these forums who are like that. No matter what state a game is in, it's not good enough for them.

[R E T I]

So even though you put plenty of money in this game now its all about founders lately hmmmmm.

[Grynos]

Sereglach, on 15 May 2015 - 11:15 AM, said:

With everything you say, you call MWO a mere shell of a game. You say there's been no advancements because all they spend time on are mechs, and that there've been no improvements or substance.

All of it couldn't be further from the truth if you've actually been paying attention to how far the game has come in the past year. These beliefs alone render everything you have to say moot and pointless.

You're the kind of person where trying to talk it out would be a waste of time, because no mater what PGI does, if it doesn't fulfill YOUR vision of the game, it's not enough. Therefore I bid you good day.

No I am the person looking at this rather logically instead of blind passion. Is CW not a shell of what it should be of what it could be? Of course it is , if you think otherwise you are merely blinded by shiny new mechs. I truly want MWO to succeed, but it almost seems to me like they are more concerned by a marketing standpoint than by a developer standpoint. Realistically, the game needs more substance for it to generate a long term commitment for players, especially with the hopes of launching on Steam. There needs to be more substance because if so, that is not only the draw for new players, but also retains players to continue to play, which in turn can generate more money in the long run because players would gladly spend money on a game when it is fun and there is a sense of accomplishment.

My vision of the game, is a CW that is more than just different colored pixels that have no actual or tactical value. That actually more than 18% of the players would want to play.

My vision of the game, is a Solaris that is an actual competitive game mode with rankings for both groups as well as solo players.

My visions of the game are probably similar to a lot of current players, sorry if you may not be one of them.

Edited by Grynos, 15 May 2015 - 12:36 PM.

[Renegade Robot]

I imagine there is plenty of people who would want to buy the Project Phoenix Pack and the Sabre Reinforcement Pack. Some didn't buy it, because of financial issues at the time. Some didn't buy it, because they didn't have enough faith in the game to justify it. Some didn't buy it simply, because they were not aware of the game until after it was gone. I own both packs and I'm perfectly fine with them being made available again.

I see the Project Phoenix Pack as the first true IS Mech Pack (besides the founders). You have the Project Phoenix/Sabre Pack, Resistance 1 Pack, and the Resistance 2 Pack. Then for clans you have Wave 1, Wave 2, and then Wave 3. Had they envisioned back when they made the Project Phoenix Pack, that they were going to continue releasing non-hero mechs in packs, I doubt they would have ever made the pack limited time only. Sometimes you go back on something and say "Hey, this should have been done this way instead of this way.".

I honestly don't care what their motive is for the poll. It could be them listening to part of the community. It could be a money grab. Regardless, it allows people to purchase something they missed out on, that was for a limited time only, that shouldn't have been. A lot of people purchased the Founder's Pack and the Project Phoenix Pack just to support the game. Not because of some limited edition non-sense and parading it around. As a Founder, Project Phoenix, and Sabre Mech Pack owner it was about supporting the game for me.

I just feel the need to speak up in addition to the others that will vote yes. Simply because people are much more motivated to speak up when they are unhappy about something then when they are. More of us who are ok with this need to say so. So that people who don't have a vote in this, knows someone was thinking about them, and not just about ourselves. Looking forward to see where the vote ends up going. Good luck to everyone in the Leaderboards.

[Rascally Jack]

So many bad things I want to say to PGI for this very scum bag move.

[Moldur]

Short question:

I wasn't active at the original time of the Phoenix Package sale. For what reason was this specific package a limited-time sale?

As far as I can tell, it seems like an arbitrary decision as nothing appears to set it apart from any of the other released packs, besides the fact that it's limited-edition..

[Ovion]

Rascally Jack, on 15 May 2015 - 01:21 PM, said:

So many bad things I want to say to PGI for this very scum bag move.

Giving the people that purchased it the option to decide if they should be able to reopen the package that the community is asking for?

Moldur, on 15 May 2015 - 01:23 PM, said:

Short question:
I wasn't active at the original time of the Phoenix Package sale. For what reason was this specific package a limited-time sale?

As far as I can tell, it seems like an arbitrary decision as nothing appears to set it apart from any of the other released packs, besides the fact that it's limited-edition..

Entirely arbitrary decision.

In fact, the end date was moved a few times.

It's digital content, any restrictions on quantity or time are imposed by choice.

[NRP]

You know what would be cool? If the 65,000 kills goal is reached, they give the original phoenix purchasers a refund. The phoenix pack was definitely not worth what I paid for it.

[Linkin]

Sable, on 14 May 2015 - 01:39 PM, said:

You know some friends of mine make wise cracks about PGI needing money which is why the keep releasing mechpacks and i always shrugged it off because the mechpacks were always new and it seemed like natural progression. But... now they want to go back and sell old mech packs again? Evidence seems to be shifting sides.

I'm a founder and i'll vote right now, and it's a no. Move on to new things you said it was limited time it should stay that way.

Have to agree, limited time should remain limited time. They didn't offer the founder packages again with the last challenge, as they shouldn't have, despite me kicking myself for not buying one when I should have, I wouldn't ask for it to be opened again.

[Gremlich Johns]

Sereglach, on 15 May 2015 - 12:23 PM, said:

No matter what state a game is in, it's not good enough for them.

Knockdown needs to be reinstated so that we can alpha-shot or AC20 a light mech within 100m, have it fall over so we can kill it quickly. The previous version was too good (Dragon-bowling) and not appropriate to the game.

[Conrade]

I want to Piranyas gain more money. then - they will make this game better and better. Because they will receive a good salary. So I will play with my pleasure. So I think they can sell Phoenix again!^)

[RavenKnight86]

Why can't something digital be limited content? This is the ONLY limited pack you see people asking to bring back and people being ok with it. If we bring back this limited edition pack then ALL limited edition content should be brought back as well. I think some of the people advocating the HUGE difference between Phoenix and Founders forget how precarious a place this game was at the time of Phoenix release. If I recall right that was around the time 3PV was implemented and a lot of people were pisses at IGP/PGI for going back on their word about 3PV. This would just be another example of that. However I wouldn't be against a release of a package similar to Phoenix with a lot of the goodies but without the custom geometry and different badges.

All this being said though I will give a kudos to PGI for letting those who purchased this and were promised it would be limited content make the decision instead of doing what a lot of businesses would do and just re-release the pack without asking.

And lastly Wolverine and Thunderbolt heroes??

[Grey Ghost]

InnerSphereNews, on 14 May 2015 - 01:11 PM, said:

• a poll will run for Phoenix owners to determine if the Phoenix Program will be available for sale again

So after several months of much improved communication & community relations you decide that another classic PGI flip-flop was something worth trying again? Kudos for using a polling option in your attempt to shirk your responsibility by putting it all on the current Phoenix Pack owners. Nice job potentially forcing us into the position of the Good, Bad, Apathetic, or Uninformed Guy / Gal!

I wonder... Would it even matter if it was a minority or a majority of Phoenix Pack owners who actually take part in this poll?

When this topic first came up during the whole Loyalty Mech drama back in September, my initial reaction was that of apathy. That which made the pack unique was what I disliked most about it. So why should I care if people wanted to spend their money on some clunkers they'd be stuck with for the foreseeable future? Though at the same time I was also vehemently against the reselling the Founders Pack. Which I realized, due to their shared limited one time only nature, made me a massive hypocrite! So I'm none too happy that your trying this.

I just hope this isn't the beginning of where I start taking everything PGI says with a bucket of salt, again.

BTW: If you were to attempt anything remotely like this with the Founders Pack, I just might find that impossible to accept. Whatever miniscule bit of slack I'm prepared to give you in this instance in no way applies towards anything else.

Kevjack, on 14 May 2015 - 05:59 PM, said:

Phoenix owners, please, all I want in my life is a BLR-1G(P).

This is the only (P) variant I begrudgingly accept, despite it's mammoth size & massively humped back. Still, I'd rather have to ability to transfer it's bonuses to a regular BLR-1G. The camo you get stuck with is so very dull.

[Clownwarlord]

RavenKnight86, on 15 May 2015 - 02:41 PM, said:

Why can't something digital be limited content? This is the ONLY limited pack you see people asking to bring back and people being ok with it. If we bring back this limited edition pack then ALL limited edition content should be brought back as well. I think some of the people advocating the HUGE difference between Phoenix and Founders forget how precarious a place this game was at the time of Phoenix release. If I recall right that was around the time 3PV was implemented and a lot of people were pisses at IGP/PGI for going back on their word about 3PV. This would just be another example of that. However I wouldn't be against a release of a package similar to Phoenix with a lot of the goodies but without the custom geometry and different badges.

All this being said though I will give a kudos to PGI for letting those who purchased this and were promised it would be limited content make the decision instead of doing what a lot of businesses would do and just re-release the pack without asking.

And lastly Wolverine and Thunderbolt heroes??

Actually 3PV came out half way through the release of Project Phoenix. They had just had the September San Fran event at the start of the event where they promised CW before the next year or just into the next ... yeah lets say that never came. Instead right after they finished the release of Project Phoenix they had the Clan package come out not even a month after the Project Phoenix. Not to mention the booster pack you could buy during December for the Griffon and Wolverine.

Yeah needless to say a lot of empty promises during that point after a horrible of track record of broken promises to the Founders. So if we are going to have who has a BIGGER ****** neither group wins because we are all idiots for buying during that time when they broke promises back then, but at least now we sorta trust PGI now.

Actually to PGI I love the game and will continue to buy what I can when I can, but this vote thing I get why you are doing it so you can sell something while you work on broken things. Please after this gets voted yes please never ask the community to vote for something like this again (considering the only pack left would be Gold Mechs and Founders).

Edited by clownwarlord, 15 May 2015 - 03:46 PM.

[GI Journalist]

[color=#141823] I don't mind if they put the unique geometry of the Mechs on sale for new players, but they should consider different tags and banners to preserve the value of the "first edition" packages.[/color]

[IraqiWalker]

Hayato1983, on 15 May 2015 - 09:14 AM, said:

How can anyone be ok with this? Its a game yeah sure, but this is a statement from a company that we want to respect and this is not the way to go. Look at Nvidias problem (eg: Nvidia arguing 4gb when was 3.5) as a toll; many bought the Phoenix pack for marketing and for being a one time thing, that alone is what sold the package to many. If I knew what the locust and shadow hawk were going to be I would not have bought the whole pack. It is not that we do not want them to make money, we do but there are other ways (right ways). This is cheap and an example of what is wrong with many companies. Simple as that, keep your word and make a new set of unseen these practices wont help costumer satisfaction XD.

No one should commit to something and then back on their word, that action alone leads to miss trust and revenues loss.

The funny part is that PGI isn't the one bringing back the exclusive Phoenix package. It's us. If we vote yes, then PGI will do it, if we vote no, then PGI won't do it. Simple as that.

[IraqiWalker]

Hayato1983, on 15 May 2015 - 10:23 AM, said:

If that your reasoning fine, but that would mean that there is no need for packs and golden mechs or heroes should be available for c bills. Many are waiting on that day to come. I do respect you opinion though, thx for sharing.

Hereos aren't there for exclusivity! That's a very weak point. Heroes are there as grind mechs. Most of them are subpar, some are good, and the rest are ok. They are there to offer more fluff to the game (many are exact replicas of canon customs), and give the owner a 30% C-Bill boost, along with a unique paint scheme.

Hero mechs are Not even in the same universe as exclusive mechs. I can go right now, and buy a Firebrand. Is my Firebrand going to be different from that of someone who bought them when they first came out? Nope. Nothing exclusive about it.

Hero mechs are a great way to generate profit without introducing P2W.

[Grendel408]

I'm not going to white knight PGI here, but I will state some obvious facts from my observation dating back to Closed Beta.

1. IGP/PGI relation/partnership strained the development of the game
2. Sales and package deals were overall less forthcoming with IGP being publisher
3. Since IGP has folded under and PGI self-published the game, many improvements
4. IGP was the problem all along... PGI has come a long way in the last 12 months alone
5. MWO is a Free-2-Play game, PGI could just release the Project Phoenix again, but gives us the option to decide
-- (odd choice to allow a select group of the Community determine re-releasing a past exclusive sale)
6. PGI gives out a lot of free stuff vs when IGP was in the picture... who doesn't want free stuff?!?
7. MWO is still considered "beta" by many because some features are missing or were missing for so long
8. I'm clearly running out of observations and just filling up space now... but you get the point, right?

So... instead of everyone arguing/debating about why PGI is doing this or that on the Challenge and throwing in other plausible/possible/etc scenarios regarding sales... how about play the Personal Challenge as they've given and see what us Project Phoenix contributors decide upon?

I mean... us Founder's did decide the 1st map in MWO was in need of remodeling/facelift/revamping/changing/making better-kinda-thing so be happy about that. We as a Community can make some decisions about MWO in a somewhat sane manner for you all to enjoy later... or not (the re-sale).

[Hillslam]

It doesn't matter how the Phoenix owners vote. The tallies will magically become "yes".....

its already a done deal. sleazy bait and switch


As for money: PGI needs to figure out another way to monetize the game in addition to mech packs that brings actual gameplay content. ala NWN, WOW, GW, and on and on and on.... its not rocket science.

I could tell them two dozen ways off the top of my head.

business 101

Edited by Hillslam, 15 May 2015 - 04:36 PM.

[Grynos]

https://mobile.twitt...008967025528832


So basically you folks are playing for a marketing poll.