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[Barbados]

I made a mistake i just noticed too. I Changed the title too. This happens too often too many of us and I was just tired of it and I made a mistake, so I edited the post and changed it.

my apologies,

Barbados

Edited by Barbados, 20 May 2015 - 01:38 PM.

[Bilbo]

You should send that to support@mwomercs.com
You'll get nothing but a thread lock here.

[Nathan Foxbane]

This thread also falls under Name and Shame which is against the ToS and also not cool.

[627]

in lance chat?

[Carrioncrows]

Also and this is just from my personal code of ethics.

If you are actively fighting the enemy, then carry on.

However if you are AFK / Shutdown / off in a corner hiding out the match because you don't want a "Death" on your KD / Ratio by trying to burn out the clock then I simply have to call fair game on this one.

Locking out 23 other mechs for additional 8-10 minutes for something so menial is exasperating. People that run off in a corner and shutdown. Drives me nuts.

However, as I said if you are actively fighting then by all means, carry on.

[Revis Volek]

Carrioncrows, on 20 May 2015 - 01:34 PM, said:

Also and this is just from my personal code of ethics.

If you are actively fighting the enemy, then carry on.

However if you are AFK / Shutdown / off in a corner hiding out the match because you don't want a "Death" on your KD / Ratio by trying to burn out the clock then I simply have to call fair game on this one.

Locking out 23 other mechs for additional 8-10 minutes for something so menial is exasperating. People that run off in a corner and shutdown. Drives me nuts.

However, as I said if you are actively fighting then by all means, carry on.

The official statement is "If they player is not actively trying to WIN THE MODE (Either by killing stuff, Capping, or Base cap) then they are in violation of the CoC" But if you have the cap lead and you go hide in the corner to hope to win that is not a problem if you are playing conquest that is. If you are playing skirmish and you go hide in the corner and wait for the match to end you are NOT trying to win and NOT playing the game mode so it is reportable.

But "actively fighting" is a bit inaccurate, you dont have to fight in conquest to win.

Aslo no Name and Shame is right, if you want to report em go ahead. The will make a call...

Edited by DarthRevis, 20 May 2015 - 01:37 PM.

[Barbados]

I was actively fighting enemies, at this point is mute. I was just angry because time and time again people have given away positions and I've grown tired of it so I reported it as soon as I saw it without paying attention to what they were doing. Which is my fault and I don't have a problem admitting that, but there is a big problem in pug games where people think that you're wasting their time when you're trying to actively play the game and then your teammate reports your position.

Edited by Barbados, 20 May 2015 - 01:45 PM.

[Revis Volek]

Barbados, on 20 May 2015 - 01:44 PM, said:

I was actively fighting enemies, at this point is mute. I was just angry because time and time again people have given away positions and I've grown tired of it so I reported it as soon as I saw it without paying attention to what they were doing. Which is my fault and I don't have a problem admitting that, but there is a big problem in pug games where people think that you're wasting their time when you're trying to actively play the game and then your teammate reports your position.

Haters always gonna hate, its the way or the world unfortunately.

Best you can do is like you have, dont post it here just send the name and screenshots of them doing it to Support or Moderation and they will deal with it.

Also, i link them the CoC in game when babies complain....so they can find out how wrong they are. If you where playing the game mode the way its intended then THEY are in fact in the wrong, not you.

Edited by DarthRevis, 20 May 2015 - 01:51 PM.

[Intrepid]

DarthRevis, on 20 May 2015 - 01:37 PM, said:

The official statement is "If they player is not actively trying to WIN THE MODE (Either by killing stuff, Capping, or Base cap) then they are in violation of the CoC"

No, the official statement is that Team Treason is NEVER permitted. Bird-dogging/Betraying positions is not allowed at anytime regardless of what your teammate is or is not doing or how you wish to view it.

[Revis Volek]

Intrepid, on 20 May 2015 - 01:56 PM, said:

No, the official statement is that Team Treason is NEVER permitted. Bird-dogging/Betraying positions is not allowed at anytime regardless of what your teammate is or is not doing or how you wish to view it.

You are wrong....

End of story.

[Burktross]

DarthRevis, on 20 May 2015 - 01:57 PM, said:

You are wrong....

End of story.

DarthRevis, on 20 May 2015 - 01:37 PM, said:

The official statement is "If they player is not actively trying to WIN THE MODE (Either by killing stuff, Capping, or Base cap) then they are in violation of the CoC" But if you have the cap lead and you go hide in the corner to hope to win that is not a problem if you are playing conquest that is. If you are playing skirmish and you go hide in the corner and wait for the match to end you are NOT trying to win and NOT playing the game mode so it is reportable.

But "actively fighting" is a bit inaccurate, you dont have to fight in conquest to win.

Aslo no Name and Shame is right, if you want to report em go ahead. The will make a call...

There's only one way to settle this:
Are you ready, kids?
Let's play...
Cite
That
Source!
Bonus points for finding a contradiction in what PGI has stated!

Edited by Burktross, 20 May 2015 - 02:00 PM.

[Templar Dane]

Depriving 23 people of 8 minutes of their lives, is the same as depriving one guy of of THREE HOURS of his life.

[Bilbo]

Burktross, on 20 May 2015 - 02:00 PM, said:

There's only one way to settle this:
Are you ready, kids?
Let's play...
Cite
That
Source!
Bonus points for finding a contradiction in what PGI has stated!

Non-Participation Abuse
If a player has joined a match, they must have launched the game with intent to play. Players who are not moving, or are otherwise not participating in the spirit of the game, fall under this category. While we all understand the call of nature: Repeated abuse of this behaviour, similarly to 'Mech Suicide and Team Killing, results in an unfair advantage for the enemy teams, and is thus not considered acceptable use. Please keep in mind that idling on your cap point without armour or moving does not constitute a form of tactical "Base Defense".

Team Treason
Treasonous provision of information to enemy combatants, also known as "bird-doging" is forbidden. This involves a player using the in-game chat to provide the enemy team with the locations of their own team mates. While we appreciate that some players may wish to have a round end early by calling out the location of an AFK team-mate, the risk that this could be used against an active participant of the match to deny them the use of cover and movement makes this a form of a griefing. You may declare a teammate AFK but not their coordinates or position.

From here: http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__1514160

[Burktross]

Bilbo, on 20 May 2015 - 02:10 PM, said:

Non-Participation Abuse
If a player has joined a match, they must have launched the game with intent to play. Players who are not moving, or are otherwise not participating in the spirit of the game, fall under this category. While we all understand the call of nature: Repeated abuse of this behaviour, similarly to 'Mech Suicide and Team Killing, results in an unfair advantage for the enemy teams, and is thus not considered acceptable use. Please keep in mind that idling on your cap point without armour or moving does not constitute a form of tactical "Base Defense".

Team Treason
Treasonous provision of information to enemy combatants, also known as "bird-doging" is forbidden. This involves a player using the in-game chat to provide the enemy team with the locations of their own team mates. While we appreciate that some players may wish to have a round end early by calling out the location of an AFK team-mate, the risk that this could be used against an active participant of the match to deny them the use of cover and movement makes this a form of a griefing. You may declare a teammate AFK but not their coordinates or position.

From here: http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__1514160

Dingdingding!
Winner!
You get one
Now we wait for a contradiction (if it even exists!)

[Intrepid]

DarthRevis, on 20 May 2015 - 01:57 PM, said:

You are wrong....

End of story.

No - you are. Ignorance at its finest!

[Kristov Kerensky]

Burktross, on 20 May 2015 - 02:12 PM, said:

Dingdingding!
Winner!
You get one
Now we wait for a contradiction (if it even exists!)

The contradiction would be the responses from PGI's Support staff when you email them about this directly.

If the player is AFK, you can't give their location, but you CAN report them.
If the player has a 0 ping, you can disclose their location if they are they last player alive on the team.
If the player is not AFK and has a ping but isn't doing anything, you can't give their location, but you CAN report them.
If the player is AFK, you can give their grid location.
If the player is AFK, you can give their coordinate location.
If the player has a 0 ping, you can't give away their location.
If the player is not AFK and has a ping but isn't doing anything, you can give their location and report them.

Depending on who answers the email, you can get any or all of the above or something totally different!

General rule, if they have a 0 ping, NOT Disconnected instead of a ping, you can give their coords, they never got into the drop and won't be back. PGI won't ding you if someone reports you for that action.

Otherwise, report the person, don't give their location away.

[Kiiyor]

Carrioncrows, on 20 May 2015 - 01:34 PM, said:

Also and this is just from my personal code of ethics.

If you are actively fighting the enemy, then carry on.

However if you are AFK / Shutdown / off in a corner hiding out the match because you don't want a "Death" on your KD / Ratio by trying to burn out the clock then I simply have to call fair game on this one.

Locking out 23 other mechs for additional 8-10 minutes for something so menial is exasperating. People that run off in a corner and shutdown. Drives me nuts.

However, as I said if you are actively fighting then by all means, carry on.

Yep, exasperating is right.

I had three matches in the group queue last night, where by some cruel and spiteful twist of fate, the last mech remaining on the enemy team was the same Spider with a single LPL. That Spider managed to drag out the games for an extra 5 minutes, 7 minutes, and 9 minutes respectively.

They weren't hiding, but they weren't doing any real fighting either. Normally, I only ever dip into anger when the last mech hides and shuts down, but this same pilot had probably managed to take a whole game from me with my friends thus far. I had also been drinking, and in the last game, may have been begging the enemy to give out positions. And saying... things. MEAN THINGS. I may have bitten my keyboard after the spider was legged at the top of one of the hills in the bog last night... and stayed there for 4 freaking minutes, because none of our remaining team members could get there.

I've been in plenty of matches where the last remaining pilot is called out by the rest of the team, and i've told them to shut the hell up, because gritty and tenacious last stands are freaking awesome. Not this time though.

[Intrepid]

Kristov Kerensky, on 20 May 2015 - 02:37 PM, said:

If the player has a 0 ping, you can disclose their location if they are they last player alive on the team.

If the player is AFK, you can give their grid location.
If the player is AFK, you can give their coordinate location.

If the player is not AFK and has a ping but isn't doing anything, you can give their location and report them.

General rule, if they have a 0 ping, NOT Disconnected instead of a ping, you can give their coords, they never got into the drop and won't be back.

These are all false. At NO POINT may you ever disclose a teammate's position. The rule is so simple because it is unequivocal.

[Kristov Kerensky]

Intrepid, on 20 May 2015 - 02:42 PM, said:

These are all false. At NO POINT may you ever disclose a teammate's position. The rule is so simple because it is unequivocal.

As I said, contact support@mwomercs.com and ask them directly, a LOT of us have and we've gotten multiple responses depending on who was answering.

General rule that PGI follows, if the player has a 0 ping, you can give their location because they never got INTO the drop in the first place, so they can't even reconnect like someone with a Disconnect for ping can do. Otherwise, you report them and that's all you do, no giving out locations for anyone with a ping or a Disconnect status.

[Carrioncrows]

DarthRevis, on 20 May 2015 - 01:37 PM, said:

The official statement is "If they player is not actively trying to WIN THE MODE (Either by killing stuff, Capping, or Base cap) then they are in violation of the CoC" But if you have the cap lead and you go hide in the corner to hope to win that is not a problem if you are playing conquest that is. If you are playing skirmish and you go hide in the corner and wait for the match to end you are NOT trying to win and NOT playing the game mode so it is reportable.

But "actively fighting" is a bit inaccurate, you dont have to fight in conquest to win.

Aslo no Name and Shame is right, if you want to report em go ahead. The will make a call...

Even then, that is actively fighting. I get conquest. What I am talking about is the Skirmish mode where match only ends once everyone is dead.