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[Igor Kozyrev]

Nope. I'd like to see Stock button for lobby, but I higly doubt that the whole stock queue would be somewhat popular.

[Mogney]

Please no. Dont make matchmakIng worse for this

[Jaeger Gonzo]

Igor Kozyrev, on 03 June 2015 - 05:05 AM, said:

Nope. I'd like to see Stock button for lobby, but I higly doubt that the whole stock queue would be somewhat popular.

I bet population would be better then in CW. And is not only for BT fans. Game play is clearly better and everybody would enjoy this. As I sed, its quiet the only thing that could bring back so many losted players, founders that felt cheated, players pushed out by short TTK and crazy meta chase dull game play. It would bring real fresh air to game that could be called real Battletech Game then.

MM is not an issue. I dont see any drama after CW went out.

[Speedy Plysitkos]

just no, why fighting with non-optimal BASIC mechs all with same loads?

[Kh0rn]

I would love this hands down All they need too do is just sort out game modes and one or two little things and this is one mode which I will play pretty much all the time.

[Jaeger Gonzo]

Titannium, on 09 June 2015 - 01:21 AM, said:

just no, why fighting with non-optimal BASIC mechs all with same loads?

In full custom you play all the time same mechs with same loads.
In Stock you would play any time different mechs with different loads.
Basically only Stock Mode can bring back already lost players BT fans and would bring something really fresh and new to the table. Any other proposed mode is just new variation of old thing, while Stock Mode would be something really new. In Stock this game is like Other New MWO game.

[Jaeger Gonzo]

Something that should be added is that making Stock Mode is so freaking easy.
Its not that they need to code anything new. Like new maps, new ships, whatever.
Just load damn different xml file.
The cheapest feature that I could think off and that would bring massive new quality to the game in exchange.
Not to mention all happy BT fans that founded that game.

[Kishida Sato]

oh, and when i see the comment below Fiona Marshe - I want a "stock" Koto

[Araevin Teshurr]

I would only support stock mech only if it had the following clause incorporated.
Stock mechs, trial mechs, and mechs that are not fully tweaked would be barred from entering Community Warfare.

[Jaeger Gonzo]

Do you still bother about this death disaster called CW?

[Serpentbane]

A huge chump of the stock mechs as close to useless with todays heat scaling, ghost heat, nerfs and smerfs. Why should I bother with a game mode that would only bring huge anoyance?

I'd rather have PGI focusing on scaling up the game, bigger maps, more role based mechs, electronic warfare, and teamplay. A game where Assaults are utterly powerfull but fewer in numbers, and lighs no longer act as the point of the dagger in every attack... Then PGI could remove GH and all this tweeks to make the mechs work in the current arena style maps.

[Kh0rn]

Well in stock mech Mondays I could see a totally different way of playing. there was also a greater variety of mechs and hell even tactics employed. Because now pilots had to use the mech in the way it was build for. If you wanted a different role you needed another variant. That is why variants existed. Personally for me Stock or closer to stock is where I would like to play.

[Jaeger Gonzo]

Serpentbane, on 17 August 2015 - 03:01 AM, said:

A huge chump of the stock mechs as close to useless with todays heat scaling, ghost heat, nerfs and smerfs. Why should I bother with a game mode that would only bring huge anoyance?

I'd rather have PGI focusing on scaling up the game, bigger maps, more role based mechs, electronic warfare, and teamplay. A game where Assaults are utterly powerfull but fewer in numbers, and lighs no longer act as the point of the dagger in every attack... Then PGI could remove GH and all this tweeks to make the mechs work in the current arena style maps.

You simply do not know about what you are talking about. We know, as we play in Stock since privet lobbys implementation to this game.
All mechs are perfectly viable and playable in Stock Mode. All mechs are different to play. All mechs have Soul brutally ripped off in Full Custom Madness Mode.
Saying that, all things that you mentioned about gameplay are in fact very a live in Stock Mode.

[RedMercury]

Gentlemen. The idea is fairly simple to implement and the downsides are fairly modest. The biggest problem is it does not make a profit. If we can help PGI think of mechanisms whereby this game mode generates profit, they will be more inclined to agree.

[Nyuuu]

Might I ask what your reasons are for wanting to play a stock mode?

In addition to splitting up the playerbase, the balance would be so utterly terrible its not even funny. The number of viable 'mech chasis could be counted on one hand. How is something like the stock Jagermech-S with its single ton of AC2 ammo for 2 cannons (absolute damage potential with all ammo before having only two medium lasers left is !450!) supposed to fight the almost meta SCR-Prime?

Ask yourself, how many 'mech variants would actually be worthwhile picking without putting yourself at a massive disadvantage...

[RedMercury]

Because it will not. A stock mode will be tech limited. So JM6-S will face other 3025 mechs.
That said, of course, HBK-4P will rule this battlefield. So I think a better stock mode should give random mech assignments. This also makes matchmaking much easier/faster.
As for splitting the playerbase, this is a weak argument. Players leaving because they do not like the non-battletech (i.e. custom designs) aspects of the game splits the playerbase far more, permanently.

Edited by RedMercury, 13 September 2015 - 08:04 AM.

[Nyuuu]

RedMercury, on 13 September 2015 - 08:02 AM, said:

So I think a better stock mode should give random mech assignments. This also makes matchmaking much easier/faster.

So that means I would know from the moment the loading screen is over whether I will get 19 damage in the Locust 1V the game assigned me or an effortless ace of spades against terrible 'mechs?
From what pool are the random mechs picked from? All the chassis you own?
If yes, does that mean guys wanting to play your stock mode have to sell all chassis with bad stock lockout to remove them from the RNG?

Your entire idea of a stock mode does just not work due to the terrible imbalance of the tabletop builds in this setting....

[Jaeger Gonzo]

Balance is good enough and far better then in custom.
Not sure from where RedMercure came out that 4P will be the only meta. While probably strong is no way better then any other hunch for an instant example.
But yeah world is not perfect. There is like one mek that will be a lol mek, but is lol mek in TT as well SHD-2D.
Nyuuu we played this count less times, don`t you think that we know better what are we talking about, as we tested the damn thing.
Hopefully soon they will add Stock Button to privet lobby, so anyone would easy test it and see it on they own eyes. As people seams to just not believe, be cause they are so used now to full custom meta chase madness that they can`t imagine other world, other better different true battletech world.
And believe it, we are many. Some went off, but they will comeback and they will comeback only for Stock Mode.

Edited by Jaeger Gonzo, 14 September 2015 - 08:06 AM.

[Vetal]

I disagree with that because stock mech play could be easily played among the team mode. You don't have any right to make people play stock. If you fond of it, it does not mean that others like it. In russian community for example, only several teams like stocks(which is bdsm for vast majority of players). If this game lose customizing, 80% of players will turn back to mw4, dispite muchworse graphics.

[Rattazustra]

This is a bad idea.

First of all, balancing among stock chassis is horrible. Some are walking scrap metal, while others are really good. So to make this work the game would need a much more sophisticated matchmaker. It would also be incredibly frustrating due to waiting times, because it is a mathematical necessity that the number of people in matches will almost equal the number stuck in queue.

If you want stock mech only matches, just get two teams in private lobbies together and use stock mechs. You can already do that without messing up the game for everyone else.