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[Kiiyor]

White Bear 84, on 27 May 2015 - 08:56 PM, said:

The thread's probably headed there anyways if past memory serves as any indication. Starting to devolve.

[Cementi]

Trouble is because they posted the names, and tweets saying they were 100% sure I doubt very much that if they did make a mistake or overreacted for some that they will fix it.

Edited by Cementi, 27 May 2015 - 09:10 PM.

[orcrist86]

Jenner hugs for all

[DaZur]

Just for clarity for the denialists...

a.) Unless PGI is port snooping all they can see is the internet facing IP of the players router. As such, unless PGI plans to have the local police confiscate their computers to CSI out who's PC had the offending code, the routers internet facing IP is as deep as the rabbit hole goes.

b.) It's been stated several times that PGI used multiple sources to confirm the presence and application of the hack. Of which I'm pretty positive includes either back-seat monitoring, server-side ghosted play-back and or recorded play. All of which are fairly low-level and widely applied means of player monitoring.

[Jman5]

I Make Poor Decisions, on 27 May 2015 - 08:14 PM, said:

He had no idea what she was doing you insufferable fool. They play the game from different accounts on different computers.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

It's a pay-hack with a subscription. Not just some random free program you download off the internet. Come on. This isn't something some little girl would just stumble upon and subscribe to. I know he's your friend and all so you want to stand up for him, but he's BSing you.

[YueFei]

Mycrus, on 27 May 2015 - 08:57 PM, said:

You mean we execute just anybody?

At the point the needle was shoved they were guilty as charged. Burden of proof shifts to the guilty to prove otherwise.

That's an dishonest response. Unless you really are so naive as to think we have never executed someone who was later proven innocent.

I mean, Wikipedia even has a dedicated article with a bunch of examples:
http://en.wikipedia....ngful_execution

[JudgeDeathCZ]

I am not so sure about those 100% correct bcuz life taught me nothing is 100% but GJ PGI.I like to see less cheaters in games.

Now can can you ban those SJRs too? jk

Edit:Also we have nothing but word from PGI that those individuals cheated...and we know how trustworthy can be word from PGI(3PV some1?)

Edited by JudgeDeathCZ, 27 May 2015 - 09:25 PM.

[PoorDecisions]

DaZur, on 27 May 2015 - 09:15 PM, said:

Just for clarity for the denialists...

a.) Unless PGI is port snooping all they can see is the internet facing IP of the players router.

Stop.

That is a statement from someone who has absolutely no clue how LAN/WAN translation works or how easy it would be to simply include LAN IP in the packet data transferred between client and server. How do you think the router even KNOWS where incoming packets go? The LAN address can be right there in the packet header.

--to say nothing of now easy it would be to include what username was used to log in to the client that whatever code-injecting anti-cheat measure caught using cheats being injected.

Completely, entirely ignorant.

Jman5, on 27 May 2015 - 09:20 PM, said:

It's a pay-hack with a subscription. Not just some random free program you download off the internet. Come on. This isn't something some little girl would just stumble upon and subscribe to. I know he's your friend and all so you want to stand up for him, but he's BSing you.

How do you know? Just exactly, how do you know what hacks Bhael's daughter was using?

The pile of assumptions you're making is taller than my Atlas.

Edited by I Make Poor Decisions, 27 May 2015 - 09:39 PM.

[Tahawus]

the blake, on 27 May 2015 - 09:31 PM, said:

i am aairu.i have been banned.i have used no other 3rd party software with mw.pgi claim 100 percent proof but from the point of someone who knows the didnt cheat it sucks.i consider cheating to be the behaviour of small petty people.i really dont understand why a player would cheat.its like climbing a mountain using a helicopter.aairu

Not setting yourself up so well when an earlier post claimed that aairu was your friend and was innocent.

That said, as a scientist, 100% certainty is impossible though we may have to act as if it is from a policy perspective. If Bhael Fire's story is true, I feel for his situation, but it places PGI in a very difficult position and I can't say how I'd react in their place if his story were verifiable.

We need to hold a hard line on cheating, but remember that there are also humans involved.

[DaZur]

I Make Poor Decisions, on 27 May 2015 - 09:37 PM, said:

LOL and you wonder why the growing consensus is you're a [surat]?

Edited by Marvyn Dodgers, 28 May 2015 - 04:36 PM.
Language

[YueFei]

Tahawus, on 27 May 2015 - 09:41 PM, said:

Not setting yourself up so well when an earlier post claimed that aairu was your friend and was innocent.

That said, as a scientist, 100% certainty is impossible though we may have to act as if it is from a policy perspective. If Bhael Fire's story is true, I feel for his situation, but it places PGI in a very difficult position and I can't say how I'd react in their place if his story were verifiable.

We need to hold a hard line on cheating, but remember that there are also humans involved.

Just about sums up what I think.

Those who were banned for cheating were most likely actually cheating and guilty.

However, I don't buy the excuse that PGI won't release the videos of it so that the cheaters/hackers can't figure out how to avoid detection from seeing those videos.

You don't think the cheaters/hackers already know what the cheat looks like when activated? The cheaters/hackers probably have videos of it that they recorded themselves of the cheat/hack in action. Of course they already know what it looks like when active.

PGI releasing videos of the cheaters in action will remove all doubt from the community, but then again maybe PGI doesn't care to do that.

[PoorDecisions]

DaZur, on 27 May 2015 - 09:42 PM, said:

LOL and you wonder why the growing consensus is you're an ass?

Nice ad hominem.

[Inveramsay]

The ones I recognised I'm not surprised got struck hard with the ban hammer. One in particular had 100% accuracy with gauss from 1000m despite running in a fast medium. Well done PGI

[Clownwarlord]

The Hammer is around the corner, does this mean that the hero variant is called the BanHammer?

http://www.sarna.net...28BattleMech%29

[Clownwarlord]

orcrist86, on 27 May 2015 - 09:12 PM, said:

Jenner hugs for all

I have seen worse mech accidents ... example a dead atlas on a bentover warhawk, priceless. lol

[STEF_]

cSand, on 27 May 2015 - 12:06 PM, said:

I'd love to see this a monthly or weekly thread


it's so SATISFYING

Yep, agree.
Because I'm pretty sure there weren't only 64 cheaters out there.
From what I saw in my drops, I'm expecting other names too.

[Mi Ro Ki]

I Make Poor Decisions, on 27 May 2015 - 08:14 PM, said:

He had no idea what she was doing you insufferable fool. They play the game from different accounts on different computers.



You have no idea what you're talking about.

oooH name calling and intellectual battles!

Fyi this is pretty much what i said in a nutshell but Akulla said it better.

Akulla1980, on 27 May 2015 - 08:18 PM, said:

Problem is you cant physically prove who was at the controls of said account. That is why the IP ban. He may be guilty and may not be. PGI cant differentiate so they did the right thing.

I know he might be your "friend" But every thing you have said, has led to captain obvious.

Better luck next time in your efforts of defending cheaters!

Ps. Parents have a job to instill the moral / legitimacy of good sportsmanship to their kids, End of story. Now quit complaining rules are rules.

Edited by Miroki, 27 May 2015 - 10:14 PM.

[DaZur]

I Make Poor Decisions, on 27 May 2015 - 09:50 PM, said:

Nice ad hominem.

You might want to take your own advice... Your inference to my clueless and ignorance was equally well received.

I'm not sure why I'm entertaining this but off the top of my head I could name at least a half dozen online games that do not even allow multiple accounts to play through the same router access point.

In terms of legal responsibility and a wide variety of nefarious internet based offenses... It's a rare instance for the auditing agency to go any deeper than the external facing IP unless they are looking for possession of copyrighted materials, i.e. music, videos, leaked code etc...

[bad arcade kitty]

Merroc Sandybanks of Frogmorton, on 27 May 2015 - 08:52 PM, said:

PEOPLE SERIOUSLY THINK THEY NEED TO CHEAT TO BEAT ME! It is very insulting for people to cheat to win, very lame, I work hard to suck at this game and then I have to face lame cheaters, hope they bann them all forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

phhh

it frankly annoys me that people are more mad at cheaters than at team traitors, they blame cheaters but it's ok to them to betray the position of their inactive teammate, imo the second thing is like 100 times worse than using aimbot or wallhack

[bad arcade kitty]

Akulla1980, on 27 May 2015 - 08:18 PM, said:

Problem is you cant physically prove who was at the controls of said account. That is why the IP ban. He may be guilty and may not be. PGI cant differentiate so they did the right thing.

haha, imagine the real justice work that way

each of those 3 guys could be the killer, let's execute all 3