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[Templar Dane]

DjPush, on 28 May 2015 - 07:06 AM, said:

I think Macros are a cheat. That's just me. It gives you an un-natural edge over others. I'm sorry, but you should only be able to fire as fast as you can push a button. Having a computer fire for you is a cheat to me.

nerf turbo controllers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

DjPush, on 28 May 2015 - 07:06 AM, said:

I think Macros are a cheat. That's just me. It gives you an un-natural edge over others. I'm sorry, but you should only be able to fire as fast as you can push a button. Having a computer fire for you is a cheat to me.

I can fire just as fast or faster with six of the twelve thumb buttons on my Razer Naga by running my thumb in a circle over them, but I'd rather just be lazy and do it with the macro that comes with the thing

Gagis, on 28 May 2015 - 07:14 AM, said:

I don't see the joke. The use of macros and other automation is banned in a lot of games.

Which ones O.o

[Evan20k]

I think a list of approved 3rd party add-ons is much more feasible than a list of banned programs.

[Kira Onime]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 28 May 2015 - 05:22 PM, said:

So you dont get banned for using something thats illegal but you didnt know it was illegal because they didnt tell you what was

3rd party programs that break the ToU should be pretty obvious to the user installing them.

Are you messing with the games in ways it wasn't meant to be? Then it's probably illegal.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

LordNothing, on 28 May 2015 - 04:00 PM, said:

one thing you can do is keep your gauss cycling so you just have to tap a button to fire (no i wont tell you how). if you have 2 you can alternate them so there is always a gauss ready to fire. if you have a high end joystick (anything ch or thrustmaster) then

then people are handicapping themselves already because this game wasnt made with them in mind. Zero point something or other

Evan20k, on 28 May 2015 - 05:25 PM, said:

I think a list of approved 3rd party add-ons is much more feasible than a list of banned programs.

Thats what I meant, I said it backwards by accident lol

KiraOnime, on 28 May 2015 - 05:26 PM, said:

Are you messing with the games in ways it wasn't meant to be? Then it's probably illegal.

so modifying the .cfgs and such is bannable now?

[Johnny Z]

Someone said removing the cockpit was ok, but I would consider that a huge cheat. I mean that takes one of the best parts of the game out for an advantage over everyone else trying to enjoy this Mechwarrior game.

Edited by Johnny Z, 28 May 2015 - 05:37 PM.

[Kira Onime]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 28 May 2015 - 05:29 PM, said:

so modifying the .cfgs and such is bannable now?

.cfg files are now 3rd party software? Didn't know that.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

KiraOnime, on 28 May 2015 - 05:43 PM, said:

.cfg files are now 3rd party software? Didn't know that.

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Are you messing with the games in ways it wasn't meant to be? Then it's probably illegal.

As a seperate statement from one talking about 3rd party stuff usually denotes a new subject. English ftw

Johnny Z, on 28 May 2015 - 05:36 PM, said:

Someone said removing the cockpit was ok, but I would consider that a huge cheat. I mean that takes one of the best parts of the game out for an advantage over everyone else trying to enjoy this Mechwarrior game.

PGI said it was ok. And that wasnt just that, it was removing the cockpit, the smoke, the blur, and all that stuff lol

[LordNothing]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 28 May 2015 - 05:29 PM, said:

then people are handicapping themselves already because this game wasnt made with them in mind. Zero point something or other

i only use my throttle and pedals, i still aim and fire weapons with mouse (at one point i used the joystick but its starting to show its age (8 years!) and has become rather imprecise). main advantage is not having to fumble with the keyboard. most of the functions can be performed with the left hand only. its one of the reasons im not a console peasant. i can have controls the way i like them, if i want to build a sim pit i can. if i want to use the generic mouse and keyboard i can. though i prefer to think of mechwarrior as more than just another shooter (as much as the game goes out of its way to kill that way of thinking).

Edited by LordNothing, 28 May 2015 - 06:45 PM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

LordNothing, on 28 May 2015 - 06:43 PM, said:

i only use my throttle and pedals, i still aim and fire weapons with mouse (at one point i used the joystick but its starting to show its age (8 years!) and has become rather imprecise). main advantage is not having to fumble with the keyboard. most of the functions can be performed with the left hand only. its one of the reasons im not a console peasant. i can have controls the way i like them, if i want to build a sim pit i can. if i want to use the generic mouse and keyboard i can. though i prefer to think of mechwarrior as more than just another shooter (as much as the game goes out of its way to kill that way of thinking).

The problem being that all joysticks are slower than a mouse in this game because of the way it was made. hence handicapped

[LordNothing]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 28 May 2015 - 06:58 PM, said:

The problem being that all joysticks are slower than a mouse in this game because of the way it was made. hence handicapped

with proper tuning and years of experience they arent that much of a handicap. it makes evasion better and gives you much better fire control. the con is it is no good at long range sniping or snap shots. i would use a joystick again if i had a benjamin to drop on another one (ch is expensive).

Edited by LordNothing, 28 May 2015 - 07:19 PM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

LordNothing, on 28 May 2015 - 07:18 PM, said:

with proper tuning and years of experience they arent that much of a handicap. it makes evasion better and gives you much better fire control. the con is it is no good at long range sniping or snap shots. i would use a joystick again if i had a benjamin to drop on another one (ch is expensive).

I have a thrustmaster 16000 or whatever. Ive tried that and tried mouse. Mouse is FAR faster lol

[Gagis]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 28 May 2015 - 05:24 PM, said:

Which ones O.o

EVE Online and some other MMO's where the fine line between macros and botting is a little too fine. They usually blanket-ban all automation.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Gagis, on 28 May 2015 - 11:19 PM, said:

EVE Online and some other MMO's where the fine line between macros and botting is a little too fine. They usually blanket-ban all automation.

And yet theyre fine with things like multiboxing where you automate the actions of other accounts to tie into one. I know a guy who runs 8 accounts like this ti mine in high sec lol

Ive never actually heard of a MMO banning macros before. I dont see the point of them in EVE given the way things cycle in that game for firing though

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 29 May 2015 - 01:26 AM.

[Raggedyman]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 27 May 2015 - 05:46 PM, said:

Ive seen this on other games, why not here? Let them tell us what programs/tricks get ppl banned and what dont. Ive seen crazy uses of the .cfg files that definitely give advantage where theyve said it isnt bannable and where ppl replace sound files that PGI have said is definitely bannable. Id like to see what is or isnt in a written form, given that "if it gives advantage" is not only broad but also wrong from what Ive seen in the past here

Ask yourself this question:

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If the average, non-tin-foil-hat play was to find out I was using this device or this software or this setting, would they wish to batter me to death with my own keyboard because they would think it cheaty?

If the answer is "yes" then don't use it
If the answer is "no" then you're fine
If the answer is "maybe" errr on the side of caution



As for a written list, I seriously doubt its going to happen in any useful way. There will be a white list of obviously allowed and a black list of obviously not allowed, and anything in-between will be "no comment" because if you have a definite list people will use that to edge their way into cheating again by finding something just on the right side of allowable or go for the "but it's not on the list!!!" defense. That big grey area is needed, as it's what keeps honest players safe from a legislative and definition based arms race.

[Gagis]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 29 May 2015 - 01:25 AM, said:

And yet theyre fine with things like multiboxing where you automate the actions of other accounts to tie into one. I know a guy who runs 8 accounts like this ti mine in high sec lol

This was actually banned too starting this January. Multiboxing is still fine, but you can not multicast commands simultaneously to several clients using automated tools.

[Catra Lanis]

In a game I played we were allowed to modify the sound files i.e. the old ones, but we were not entitled to technical support until we reverted back to default. Don't see why they can't allow it. It does not give you an advantage and it does not bother anyone else.

[Raggedyman]

Catra Lanis, on 29 May 2015 - 04:57 AM, said:

In a game I played we were allowed to modify the sound files i.e. the old ones, but we were not entitled to technical support until we reverted back to default. Don't see why they can't allow it. It does not give you an advantage and it does not bother anyone else.

because PC technical support is enough of a swine with the hardware/OS variances so having to deal with someone who's played merry hell with their config/ the core software is the thing TechSupport nightmares are made from?

[Catra Lanis]

Raggedyman, on 29 May 2015 - 04:59 AM, said:

because PC technical support is enough of a swine with the hardware/OS variances so having to deal with someone who's played merry hell with their config/ the core software is the thing TechSupport nightmares are made from?

I just stated that you could not get support until you reverted back to standard.

[MechWarrior5152251]

What is the hack that cleans the crap off your windshield? That would help game play significantly considering the crappy visibility is what prevents me from killing a lot of people...