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[Bilbo]

Mystere, on 01 June 2015 - 04:07 PM, said:

Once again, why not allow solo players into the group queue?

If the queue works the same as CW, there isn't much point. Getting pushed to the back of the queue repeatedly is not my idea of a good experience.

[Ghogiel]

Mystere, on 01 June 2015 - 03:34 PM, said:

But non 12-man groups are allowed to?

Don't think any non 12 man groups are QQing. But no, they have to L2P too.

[Milocinia]

Mystere, on 01 June 2015 - 04:07 PM, said:

Once again, why not allow solo players into the group queue?

I don't want to be part of the group queue.

[Ghogiel]

Bilbo, on 01 June 2015 - 04:12 PM, said:

If the queue works the same as CW, there isn't much point. Getting pushed to the back of the queue repeatedly is not my idea of a good experience.

Can't see how it would be slower wait times if solo players could be in both solo and group queues at the same time though

[Impyrium]

Something like limiting to four mans is a good compromise IMO, meaning matches are more varied and less likely to match a hyper coordinated team with a varied one. I'm not against playing against skilled players, but it does seem silly to send them up against lesser-prepared players.

And I think it sounds more interesting to say "Looks like we're going up against a lance of SJR guys, this is going to be a tough fight" rather than "So there's a 9-man of SJR guys over there... uh, where'd we put the white flag again?"

Don't make the mistake of assuming every player should/will/could raise to competitive levels. Some of us just like to play for fun. And I might be hated for saying this, but in my experience the more enjoyable matches are the ones with each team's groups showing a bit of individual thinking... the least enjoyable matches are the ones where you're versing a giant moving ball of super coordinated 'mechs all running on TS.

Honestly, give CW more ways to play in the way of 'open field battles' rather than the same old 'attack/defend a really cheesy base' and it'd be the perfect alternative for those seeking the more competitive side of MWO.

[Bilbo]

Ghogiel, on 01 June 2015 - 04:23 PM, said:

Can't see how it would be slower wait times if solo players could be in both solo and group queues at the same time though

I don't see how a person could be in a queue for 30 minutes and still find themselves at the end of it all over again either, but it happens.

[Eboli]

If people are requesting going back to no larger than 4 mans then expect us going back to the days of sync dropping.

[Elizander]

Mystere, on 01 June 2015 - 04:07 PM, said:

Once again, why not allow solo players into the group queue?

The option can be turned off by default and people who like both queues can just check the box.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Namicus, on 01 June 2015 - 02:38 PM, said:

ACES and any group with Sean Lang in it. Just a little frustrating to say the least.

tsk, name an shame

Eboli, on 01 June 2015 - 07:55 PM, said:

If people are requesting going back to no larger than 4 mans then expect us going back to the days of sync dropping.

This

Dingo Red, on 01 June 2015 - 04:27 PM, said:

Something like limiting to four mans is a good compromise IMO, meaning matches are more varied and less likely to match a hyper coordinated team with a varied one.

Two words

Synch Drop

[Parnage Winters]

Nothing pisses me off more when I managed to finally convince a new player to try this, and .. for some ******** reason a duo que means he and I should be facing 8 man premade. That's one hell of a way to toss someone into the deep end. As you can imagine it didn't end well for him, and yeah it's hard to teach a new player when I can't even take him into a private game to go over basics or you know not toss him up against the folks who claim to be competent.

But we can't have duo-que! Then the solo que experience will be ruined! We can't have people working together! What if they use a voip!? What if they communicate and work together! That'd be unfair! The terror and horror.

[Chuck Jager]

oldradagast, on 01 June 2015 - 02:45 PM, said:

Where are all these supposed 12 mans wrecking the group queue? I mean, I've seen some 8 mans, but very few 12-mans since CW came out.

They are going as 9and3 or 8and4 or some other set up to equal 12. This allows them to stack heavies and assaults and have a higher chance of getting an extra compared to having to stay 3,3,3,3. Does not always work, but it is better odds than the stock market.

Our unit now always enters with 3,3 in heavy assaults if we have more than 7 folks just because we ended up short while the other side got extras. Hint sometimes you can figure out the way they are splitting up and match their math so you can get Qed with them.

Also if you end up going against these folks just switch out of Skirmish to Assault and that other mode (forgot the name)

[Madcap72]

Parnage, on 01 June 2015 - 11:29 PM, said:

Nothing pisses me off more when I managed to finally convince a new player to try this, and .. for some ******** reason a duo que means he and I should be facing 8 man premade. That's one hell of a way to toss someone into the deep end. As you can imagine it didn't end well for him, and yeah it's hard to teach a new player when I can't even take him into a private game to go over basics or you know not toss him up against the folks who claim to be competent.

But we can't have duo-que! Then the solo que experience will be ruined! We can't have people working together! What if they use a voip!? What if they communicate and work together! That'd be unfair! The terror and horror.

On the flip side, a guy and his buddy who is new to the game are probably rounding out the two slots on the 8 man drop.

I feel like you would not make this post if you were always the guy dropping on the other side.

[Imperius]

Just another worthless pub crying that he loses because groups, not because he don't communicate, refuses to get more friends, or roll with a casual unit.

I fought to play with my friends, it's here to stay, sometimes we run 3 sometimes 9 sometimes 7 who cares we don't have to say sorry man we are full.

It's like if I asked PGI to keep the small groups out of CW... Just saying get good the world doesn't revolve around you.

Your number one mistake is you claim you're not having fun because you lose. Are you playing MWO? Yes! Are you with your friend? Yes! Well looks like you should have fun then.

I wish Elo didn't give me potatoes in an attempt to give you the I won feeling that you need in order to have fun. They baby you young gamers too much, when I played we used to have to host rooms and wait for people to vs us. Eventually you beat too many and most quitters wouldn't dare come in your room, but the few that did became better.

Now you guys just come as trash with too many safety features.

[Imperius]

Parnage, on 01 June 2015 - 11:29 PM, said:

Nothing pisses me off more when I managed to finally convince a new player to try this, and .. for some ******** reason a duo que means he and I should be facing 8 man premade. That's one hell of a way to toss someone into the deep end. As you can imagine it didn't end well for him, and yeah it's hard to teach a new player when I can't even take him into a private game to go over basics or you know not toss him up against the folks who claim to be competent.

But we can't have duo-que! Then the solo que experience will be ruined! We can't have people working together! What if they use a voip!? What if they communicate and work together! That'd be unfair! The terror and horror.

There are private matches, you must be too much of a cheap ass to have premium on... Again QFT

[Juodas Varnas]

Imperius, on 02 June 2015 - 12:20 AM, said:

refuses to get more friends

Yes. A lot of people refuse to have friends.

Edited by Juodas Varnas, 02 June 2015 - 12:27 AM.

[Soy]

[Imperius]

Someone please KTOWN this thread so I can unleash my true feelings on this pug!

[XphR]

Why not coordinate your two man group with the other ten people on your team?

[Imperius]

^He wants to watch a movie where he and his mate always win with little effort put forth.

[Joseph Mallan]

627, on 01 June 2015 - 02:52 PM, said:

forcing all "good and competitive" teams into CW will just turn more players away from CW.


Why is CW only for big groups? it is a game mode for everyone and that means pugs too. I'm gettin tired of this, am I not allowed to play CW alone?

The problem is matchmaking in the end, doesn't matter if in pug queue or CW. this is directly depending on player base size so matchmaking can only do so much with so few players...

The real problem with the MM is one side almost always loses! No matter how hard we try to make it so both sides win. PGI cannot fix this tragedy. Why does one team always have to lose. Can't you give them a participation trophy or something?

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 02 June 2015 - 02:20 AM.