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[Templar Dane]

Bishop Steiner, on 04 June 2015 - 08:59 PM, said:

except the assault mech probably actually has to face his opponents?


!200 meters vs 360 meters.....150 kph vs 106...yup them streak crows are a massive threat!

Proving yourself an idiot, 1 post at a time.

The assault mech has 40-65 tons more armor/weapons.

You're saying ravens should brawl..................where the streak boats are? That sounds real smart. You ever stop to think that maybe the ravens are doing 2x ERLL because everywhere else is suicide?

If you want an ecm umbrella, bring an ecm mech. You want protection from those lights you obviously can't hit? Bring a firestarter.

Seriously man, look at the lights in the queue. It's advertised right there, shorter wait times if you pilot a light and yet, 11%. The two biggest reasons for that is lights earn less, and they die nigh on instantly to anyone that can actually aim.

All I see in this thread are rage whines about "skill-less" raven pilots getting tons of kills..........

[Wildstreak]

OP, make 'em drive 2-3 LL Urbies for a bit, they'll learn.

[bad arcade kitty]

why are you going to brawl a streakcrow in a raven, unless you want to die, though? may be you face hug a dakkawolf or dakkacrab and then complain about them being op too?

in all honesty, streakcrow is probably easier than laser raven, but it's not frowned upon because it's pretty useful for the team for multiple reasons from scouting, locking and countering ecm and to killing lights and dishing out mad damage, it doesn't treat people as meat shields and isn't really op, it's just easy to play which isn't a crime

[Johnny Z]

Also to the OP Im going to forget the insults because you obviously need a time out to put some thought into throwing such direct insults around being a, for the most part, somewhat ok guy on these forums. Get real and chill out. If its bullying your trying, maybe rethink that to.

[Johnny Z]

bad arcade kitty, on 04 June 2015 - 09:24 PM, said:

why are you going to brawl a streakcrow in a raven, unless you want to die, though? may be you face hug a dakkawolf or dakkacrab and then complain about them being op too?

in all honesty, streakcrow is probably easier than laser raven, but it's not frowned upon because it's pretty useful for the team for multiple reasons from scouting, locking and countering ecm and to killing lights and dishing out mad damage, it doesn't treat people as meat shields and isn't really op, it's just easy to play which isn't a crime

Ok the Streak Crow debate is neither here nor there. My point was how can this topics title be real and taken seriously when there are Streak Crows running around. Ravens in the right hands are a real pain fighting the Clan on the Galaxy map I can assure anyone, doesnt make them OP even in the least being that their power isnt the "I WIN" button the Streak Crow has and thats just one example.

On the Galaxy map I can single handedly force a Clan rush almost without fail. Because if they dont my Raven 4X will eventually, in time pick them apart. Their whole team. Many Clan players hate me maybe. One wrong move or mistake my Raven is toast though, or even a decent shot on the opposing team.

I join a match on the Snow invasion map on counter attack and theres Dire Wolves standing on all the hill tops out in the open like they are invincible..... Every match is like that.

Edited by Johnny Z, 04 June 2015 - 09:47 PM.

[Davegt27]

Lately matches have been ending with people chasing this one Raven
3L around for five minutes

The guys on the Ravens team die off and are surprised to find out
"Hey we did have ECM"


I never ever last that long
My saying to any Raven pilots
"If you don't fight now you will be fighting alone at the end"

[Xetelian]

There is nothing easier in this game than a laser vomit TBR.

Nothing brings the armor, speed and firepower like it...yet.

No light mech is easy mode or we'd have them better than 10% of the queue.

[Zfailboat]

Generally speaking I like most of OP's Posts. Generally speaking I agree with you on a fair range of things.

However, in this regard - their are people who like to snipe, there are people to like to brawl they should be able to play how they want.

Whilst I agree that in many situations the ECM would be better in the team rather than poking. often a good raven pilot can distract 2 or even 3 guys solo - drawing them out of the fight with this build. which can depending on the situation - be of greater benefit to the team.

Also, at least it adds some variety to the darn game. Rather than just facetank @ 300 which is what the less experienced pilots who do this would be doing otherwise. It gives lights something to go hunt and adds some role warfare.

On a final note - if you don't like it, go get a jenner or firestarter and go hunt these exact types of players. 2 x ERLL raven vs jenner or firestarter = 1 easy kill.

IMHO I actually think that brawling in general has come a just a touch to powerful recently - and the new map designs prove it. all new maps both CW and normal are designed for short - medium ranges. the days of poking or having a full sniper team from 1000m are getting less and less common - co-incidentally so is the ECM raven / cicadas.

Edited by Zfailboat, 04 June 2015 - 10:02 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Zfailboat, on 04 June 2015 - 10:01 PM, said:

Generally speaking I like most of OP's Posts. Generally speaking I agree with you on a fair range of things.

However, in this regard - their are people who like to snipe, there are people to like to brawl they should be able to play how they want.

Whilst I agree that in many situations the ECM would be better in the team rather than poking. often a good raven pilot can distract 2 or even 3 guys solo - drawing them out of the fight with this build. which can depending on the situation - be of greater benefit to the team.

Also, at least it adds some variety to the darn game. Rather than just facetank @ 300 which is what the less experienced pilots who do this would be doing otherwise. It gives lights something to go hunt and adds some role warfare.

On a final note - if you don't like it, go get a jenner or firestarter and go hunt these exact types of players. 2 x ERLL raven vs jenner or firestarter = 1 easy kill.

IMHO I actually think that brawling in general has come a just a touch to powerful recently - and the new map designs prove it. all new maps both CW and normal are designed for short - medium ranges. the days of poking or having a full sniper team from 1000m are getting less and less common - co-incidentally so is the ECM raven / cicadas.

Nothing you say is wrong. A

nd nothing is wrong with sniping...if you actually contribute by doing so. So many out there though simply DON'T. They farm some stats, but not in any way that actually benefits their teams chance of winning. Those who are actually good, and useful with the Sniper Ravens, oddly enough, I never see parked at 1000 meters.

That is the point in the OP.

[Kilo 40]

there is absolutely nothing wrong with using that build. there is also nothing wrong with sniping. just because it doesn't match your play style is no reason to insult those that use it.

[Black Ivan]

4N Stalker Large laser boat. Easiest thing to drive and very very deadly.

[Kilo 40]

Davegt27, on 04 June 2015 - 09:50 PM, said:

The guys on the Ravens team die off and are surprised to find out
"Hey we did have ECM"

1. if they are only realizing that after they died, it's no wonder they are all dead, because apparently they weren't paying attention to the entire match.

2. if you rely on a crutch like ECM to win....well...LRN2PLAY.

3. It's no one else's responsibility to supply you with ECM. if you feel that ECM is so important, run it yourself.

[Haakon Magnusson]

Joseph Mallan, on 04 June 2015 - 09:12 AM, said:

That is if the sniper in question is actually putting a hurt on the enemy. If they are lightsabering as is being put forth by Bish and others. Then no, they are not being helpful they are trying to play the "assist" system for bigger paydays. And that is just weak.

Doesn't this say something about the Paul-conomy^TM?
Admittedly you can also be a pain in the butt sniper while gaming the income.

And I wouldn't play CW without my door-opener Raven which also conveniently can hide couple of your teammates when needed. Unfortunately it is so good that sometimes I don't get to any other mechs before win

[Sarlic]

What about the 6 LL / ER LL Stalker?

It's litterly the same thing. And people defending this overquirked mech are far worse.

Takes no single skill to slam your button and fire 6 LL.

Edited by Sarlic, 05 June 2015 - 12:26 AM.

[RoboPatton]

You called the title "click bait" it's really more like troll bait.

/QuitThread

[speleomaniac]

Bishop Steiner, on 04 June 2015 - 08:16 AM, said:

First, yes, just like any chassis, you do have good, skilled players that use it, and use it well. So obviously, it takes skill to be EFFECTIVE with one.

This is in regards to the legions of can't aim, hide 1000 meters away lightsabering your ERLLs all over the screen, players out there. Take you ecm and do something useful with it.....like actually support your team, or be part of a wolfpack.

Yes, you can eventually accumulate a few hundred damage, and sometimes even vulture a kill or two, while largely protecting your paintjob. Or, you could L2Aim, and be an actual asset to your team, fighting at closer ranges, where your lasers actually do some damage where your feeble aiming skills might let you at least keep that beam on the enemy mech, and again, yes, put your ECM to a better use than trying to protect your delicate epeen.

It's pretty bad when I vastly prefer you to be on the other team.

The Build itself can actually be a highly effective contributor. It's the Call of Duty, solo Rambo Hero mentality that seems attached to it the majority of time that is a detriment.

/rant,

you may now return to your QQing about the new Mechlab.

Men can say the same for Hellbringer don't you think, load ECM, load 2 cEERL and shoot people from 800m.

Personally with 3L I always stay with the group, specially with Assaults at the beginning of the match, when I am sure they are not going to be Lurmed to death, I start free lancing.

Edited by speleomaniac, 05 June 2015 - 02:27 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Haakon Magnusson, on 05 June 2015 - 12:15 AM, said:

And I wouldn't play CW without my door-opener Raven which also conveniently can hide couple of your teammates when needed. Unfortunately it is so good that sometimes I don't get to any other mechs before win

I am unaware of there being a problem here?

[Haakon Magnusson]

Joseph Mallan, on 05 June 2015 - 02:31 AM, said:

I am unaware of there being a problem here?

But have 3 more mechs I like... Sometimes starting with KGC is overkill

[Catra Lanis]

Bishop Steiner, on 04 June 2015 - 12:24 PM, said:

Again, you seem to miss the point. Could care less if they want to do long range. But when the majority of them are SINGULARLY BAD AT IT, to the point of making no real contribution.... if they were at least at close range, or in a different mech if they can't make a real contribution in a Raven (perhaps you missed that very very first part in the OP about players who actually know what they are doing?), being up close and being an ecm carrier, or even using their mighty LAZORs where they can land 2-3 ticks of dmg, and sometimes even in one location, would be a start.

As noted, those who can actually master (the oh so hard) skill of holding a mouse steady, ain't the point of the OP. Only have said that like 20 times or so, but reading, must be OP.


and thus, as the OP stated, it would not be directed at you, now would it?

Well it might be, there is no hard line. At which point does your contribution become useless, at 200 damage, at 100? The same pilot might also change playing style between matches. The OP is in fact singling out every Raven pilot even if it is not his intention.

[Joseph Mallan]

Haakon Magnusson, on 05 June 2015 - 02:32 AM, said:

But have 3 more mechs I like... Sometimes starting with KGC is overkill

There is no better kill than overkill.