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[The Lost Boy]

Ive been playing forever on a crappy desktop with a graphics emulator, that will only get 8fps on the lowest settings.(whay even play, right.). Im upgrading soon and have $500 to spend, The rig Im looking at has an AMD FX 6300 hexcore, 3.5 Mhz, 8 G DDR3, and a Nvidea GTX 750 ti card. How much of a FPS jump can I expect?

[Lord Letto]

Should be Playable at Medium-High @ 1080p, I'd say no AMD and Go Intel instead by going for something like this:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($64.95 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-A (NFC Express Edition) ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($69.98 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.45 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R7 260X 2GB Video Card ($93.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec One ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (32/64-bit) ($98.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $500.22
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-06 21:56 EDT-0400

[Goose]

Jebus Rice: Find another $4 for the RAM

Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($52.99 @ Newegg)

[Solidussnake]

Except a big fat no on that duel core. There are New recent PC games that refuse to even launch on duel core PC's. Need to add another 100$ to that to get an entry level I5.

[bad arcade kitty]

Lemming of the BDA, on 06 June 2015 - 04:08 PM, said:

Ive been playing forever on a crappy desktop with a graphics emulator, that will only get 8fps on the lowest settings.(whay even play, right.). Im upgrading soon and have $500 to spend, The rig Im looking at has an AMD FX 6300 hexcore, 3.5 Mhz, 8 G DDR3, and a Nvidea GTX 750 ti card. How much of a FPS jump can I expect?

what's your resolution? with that rig you will get ... ugh around 50-60 at medium, possibly high, with 1920*1080

i have 45-60 with low settings on that resolution with gtx 750 (not ti) and amd quadracore 3.4 ghz

mwo is a resource greedy game

2 Lord Letto

dual core is a big no for this game, not with pgi quality optimization, also you forget to add a cooler

[xWiredx]

Solidussnake, on 06 June 2015 - 07:21 PM, said:

Except a big fat no on that duel core. There are New recent PC games that refuse to even launch on duel core PC's. Need to add another 100$ to that to get an entry level I5.

You've apparently stumbled in from a general gaming forum. Most games (including most modern AAA titles) will launch with a dual core and have no problems running on them (especially the Haswell-based ones) because games are not generally CPU-bound. Also, OP said nothing about playing other games.

[Goose]

Not that anyone has been wrong yet, but really, we should be pumping the OP for moar details about his goals and resources in this endeavor …

• Got a case, or a HDD we can recycle?
  
• Can you name any other games coming out within the next two years we should worry about?
  
• How hot does you place get, worst-case scenario?

[Goose]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($176.98 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Arctic Cooling Freezer i11 74.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($22.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($52.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card ($184.99 @ Micro Center) Dammit: This card is tall
Total: $512.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-07 00:35 EDT-0400

Base Total: $547.94
Mail-in Rebates: -$35.00
Total: $512.94

What size is your case? How big is your PSU? I assumed it wasn't, thus the nVidia card …

Edited by Goose, 06 June 2015 - 11:10 PM.

[The Lost Boy]

My wife plays WOW and would like that to improve, most all the other games I play are off of GOG so no worries there. This is my one vice. If I get 50-60 on low or med qual, Id be super happy. Ive been playing on the lowest res and prob still will.

[xWiredx]

You can definitely bump up the resolution and settings with the proposed build by Letto above. Pretty sure it allows for 40-60fps on medium settings at 1920x1080 (as long as you're willing to overclock the CPU in that build - it's overclockability is the reason for choosing it).

[Lord Letto]

Solidussnake, on 06 June 2015 - 07:21 PM, said:

Except a big fat no on that duel core. There are New recent PC games that refuse to even launch on duel core PC's. Need to add another 100$ to that to get an entry level I5.

bad arcade kitty, on 06 June 2015 - 07:46 PM, said:

what's your resolution? with that rig you will get ... ugh around 50-60 at medium, possibly high, with 1920*1080

i have 45-60 with low settings on that resolution with gtx 750 (not ti) and amd quadracore 3.4 ghz

mwo is a resource greedy game

2 Lord Letto

dual core is a big no for this game, not with pgi quality optimization, also you forget to add a cooler

http://cpuboss.com/c...-vs-AMD-FX-6300
http://cpu.userbench...6300/2434vs1555
http://www.cpu-world...Core_G3258.html
https://www.cpubench...ngleThread.html
http://en.wikipedia....tions_per_cycle


Long Story Short: MWO Loves Single Core Performance & High IPC, In Most, if not all Cases, it's Intel over AMD, So For MWO Anyway, that G3258, even though it's only a Dual Core, it'll still perform Better than that FX-6300 for MWO,

[Goose]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($176.98 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Arctic Cooling Freezer i11 74.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($22.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($52.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 270X 2GB PCS+ Video Card ($143.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $511.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-07 12:56 EDT-0400

Base Total: $562.93
Promo Discounts: -$10.00
Mail-in Rebates: -$45.00
Shipping: $3.99
Total: $511.92

I don't know why I thought I'd trust this guys current PSU.

And what make y'all think this gent is into overclocking?

Lord Letto, on 07 June 2015 - 08:57 AM, said:

Long Story Short: MWO Loves Single Core Performance & High IPC, In Most, if not all Cases, it's Intel over AMD, So For MWO Anyway, that G3258, even though it's only a Dual Core, it'll still perform Better than that FX-6300 for MWO,

Oooh how I'd love someone to send me $$$ so I could test that theory …

[xWiredx]

Goose, on 07 June 2015 - 09:00 AM, said:

I don't know why I thought I'd trust this guys current PSU.

And what make y'all think this gent is into overclocking?


Oooh how I'd love someone to send me $$$ so I could test that theory …

We think he's into overclocking because we hate people that aren't into overclocking so everybody must conform to what we like. You know, or we can set you up with a time to talk to cousin Vinny.

I was pretty sure we had established quite firmly that MWO likes IPC and clock speed more than the amount of cores (at least 8 cores performs no better than 6 cores, and I think there's no difference between 6 and 4 either when we're talking about Haswell chips + MWO).

[Goose]

Yeah: Haswell Cores are Best Cores, but two vs. three Modules @ ~4.7GHZ? Four @ 5GHz?

Edited by Goose, 07 June 2015 - 09:52 AM.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Pretty sure the Pentium K would have won a few months back; now it would be close. Maybe still the pentium just about...Because FX CPU's suck for single core performance.

[The Lost Boy]

Im not overclocking anything. I chose the 750ti card cause its Maxwell design is quite efficient. other than that. I haven't put that much thought into it. im not building a rig. im buying one premade and slapping a card in it. the price is 500 delivered to my front door. it should be here today! and only one of you actually answered my question.

Edited by Lemming of the BDA, 09 June 2015 - 04:10 AM.

[HawkEyes]

Quick story: I built a new rig 12 months ago, with a FX8350 and a GTX760, and I only got 20fps while in a brawl. Fast forward to 2 months ago, when I got fed up and swapped in a 4690K, and kept the GTX760. Boom! 70+fps.

They didn't answer your specific question because they knew better. In MWO, Intel > AMD.

I wish you good luck with your build. You'll probably need it.

[MercJ]

Not to steal Goose's thunder (love me some science!), but the sys specs caught my eye - it just so happens I have a machine sitting around with a very similar build, so....OFF TO SCIENCE! (I personally despise the guessing game - why not see how an ACTUAL machine performs eh?)

The difference is...I enjoy overclocking. So, here's my FX-6300 running at 4.7 GHz - which I've found to be necessary in MWO to even remotely compete with Intel/Haswell CPUs. You want to know how much of a difference you can expect? Well, here's an example of what your system *could* be capable of. And no, I don't really feel like testing it at stock settings - at least not right now

Here's a frametime capture of a multiplayer round on Frozen City Night. Somewhat of a best-case scenario, that map always seems to run a little smoother for me. Most frames are under that magic 16.7 ms mark (corresponds to 60fps, IIRC), so it's quite playable. Max framerate hit 91 FPS, but the majority of frames were right at 59, with a few spikes down to a minimum of 43.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

MercJ, on 09 June 2015 - 06:19 AM, said:

Not to steal Goose's thunder (love me some science!), but the sys specs caught my eye - it just so happens I have a machine sitting around with a very similar build, so....OFF TO SCIENCE! (I personally despise the guessing game - why not see how an ACTUAL machine performs eh?)

The difference is...I enjoy overclocking. So, here's my FX-6300 running at 4.7 GHz - which I've found to be necessary in MWO to even remotely compete with Intel/Haswell CPUs. You want to know how much of a difference you can expect? Well, here's an example of what your system *could* be capable of. And no, I don't really feel like testing it at stock settings - at least not right now

Here's a frametime capture of a multiplayer round on Frozen City Night. Somewhat of a best-case scenario, that map always seems to run a little smoother for me. Most frames are under that magic 16.7 ms mark (corresponds to 60fps, IIRC), so it's quite playable. Max framerate hit 91 FPS, but the majority of frames were right at 59, with a few spikes down to a minimum of 43.

Which is good. It shows that the changes PGI have made have had an effect. But he has no plans to overclock so he won't achieve that per core performance mark.

Lemming of the BDA, on 09 June 2015 - 04:04 AM, said:

Im not overclocking anything. I chose the 750ti card cause its Maxwell design is quite efficient. other than that. I haven't put that much thought into it. im not building a rig. im buying one premade and slapping a card in it. the price is 500 delivered to my front door. it should be here today! and only one of you actually answered my question.

Maybe if you had stated you had already brought it; seeing as the OP stated you were looking at it people have given you better options.

[Lord Letto]

Build>Prebuilt=Better Quality, Likely Cheaper & Proudness to say this is the Computer You Built!
Big Mistake buying a Prebuilt, Bigger Mistake going AMD instead of Intel.
Example of a $500 Intel Prebuilt vs Build:
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16883227562
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16883230017

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3250 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($55.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus H81M-C/CSM Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($54.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($60.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GT 730 1GB Video Card ($62.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Raidmax Vortex ATX Mid Tower Case ($37.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($61.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($12.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 OEM (64-bit) ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $487.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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