I don't understand why they can't get collisions working correctly and make the mechs fall down when overwhelmed. That way we no long have 'l33t' light warriors charging into mech and praying to the collision gods that they warp someplace safe to get beyond the mech they just ran in to....
Back in my day that light mech fell over, with damage taken and then I shot him in the face.
BRING BACK COLLISIONS AND GIVE US DEATH FROM ABOVE!!!
They run off heated gas, which makes no sounds and are turned to light which makes no sound. I have 2 c02 powered lasers here in my shop, they make no noise. All you hear is the fans running and the noise it makes when printing is from the bearings sliding on the rail. Laser in MWO dont work like printers so there are no bearing...just a tube with gas and some fans. Maybe you should look into how LASERS work? DO you hear the air in the vacuum pump when your car is running? Or the warm air being forced through the intake? NO you hear the engine and the exhaust. which is what we hear in these mechs for the most part. Engines and hits taken.... Most lasers are in fact Invisible or very slightly, but again, no sounds is involved. My c02 lasers here in the shop hit stuff at over 480 degrees and there is no sound made. If you hit something right, with the correct frequency, speed and power you can turn the material into gas or plasma and there is literally NOTHING left... No dust, no soot, no nothing. This process is called Laser Ablation and I use it daily.... http://en.wikipedia..../Laser_ablation Some short more then likely incorrect articles on Laser Ablation... Laser Ablation can also be used to transfer momentum or energy as well, they use it to harden metals much like annealing and hitting with a hammer.
Kristov Kerensky, on 08 June 2015 - 10:15 AM, said:
Again, read up on lasers and how they function and operate, you've done nothing but show exactly what I said, the BEAM is silent, the only noise comes from the expansion of the surface being hit if there's enough energy being transferred. That tat removal laser, it's designed to be noisy, that's NOT the laser, that's the control hardware making noise so people know it's on, a safety feature.
And the sound you hear when you see lightening is impressive, and it is due to the creation and collapse of a vacuum due to ionization of air molecules, that's true. That is NOT how lasers work however, not even remotely the same, you have definitely confused two totally different things. PPCs should look and sound like lightening strikes, that's in the novels and lore because that's how the REAL world versions work. Lasers look like, well, real weapon lasers don't look like anything, they operate at wave lengths the human eye can't actually see. And the hardware for most lasers is actually silent, you have to actually DESIGN the hardware to be noisy to hear them operate, which they do with some medically based lasers so people KNOW they are on, since the beam is invisible, again, that's a safety feature. Weaponized lasers wouldn't need such a safety feature, at least the ones the US Military is currently using don't have them, they are pretty quiet.
LAWS - US Military
ADAM - US Miliary
Please note that in these videos, you do NOT hear the laser firing, you do NOT hear the beam as it passes through the atmosphere and you do NOT hear it as it strikes it's target. You do hear the explosions of the targets. Lasers are silent, you can make the hardware produce noise, but the beam is silent, it's light, that is all, and light is silent.
Everything is silent... until it reacts with something else.
Lightning also doesn't create a vacuum which was the previous theory for thunder, instead they believe it ionizes the air which causes a rapid expansion of the air from heat causing a pressure change, the change is so sudden it creates a sonic boom.
You are pointing to weapon systems that destroy ordinance, ordinance that is not armored because it needs to be light so it can be fast and still deliver as much payload as possible to the target. It's protection is to prevent it from going off early.
In the Battletech universe were are not talking about lasers shooting at missiles, but Lasers capable of vaporizing 1/4 tons of armor in a single brief burst of a beam after traveling a distance through atmosphere which should disrupt some of the beam. How intense is that beam? You can't honestly say.
However, two of the videos I posted definately demonstrate a laser disrupting the air and turning it to plasma and creating a "Crack" or a "Buzz" which is a series of very fast cycles of crackling. Those lasers are NOT silent.
All I am saying is that a beam intense enough to have the effect on armor as it does in MWO is likely to be intense enough to superheat air much like lighting or the laser demonstrations and create a crack.
If there were really lasers as powerful as they are in MWO, they would probably make us go blind instantly if the laser or source was anywhere in our field of vision...
If there were really lasers as powerful as they are in MWO, they would probably make us go blind instantly if the laser or source was anywhere in our field of vision...
Lasers are silent, those military videos I linked, that's STEEL they are burning through to blow that ordinance up, they are actually setting off the explosives inside the rounds in the first video, they are also burning holes through steel in that video and the other, and that steel is a LOT denser than air. Please notice, NO visible beams, NO sound from the beam, those are real world military lasers in use right now. They are meant to burn through real world armor plating in microseconds.
You showed a tattoo removal laser, designed to burn ink out of skin by doctors, nurses and 'technicians' at medical clinics and malls, people who sit through a 20 minute training course before they are allowed to use those machines. It's noisy because that's a safety feature, that 'plasma creation' bit, that's just someone messing around with the machine and having some fun, that's NOT how that thing actually operates normally, the beam doesn't normally go THAT far(yes, you can set the beam's length). I've had some friends get tats removed by those things, been there while it was happening. They aren't weapons grade lasers, they are medical lasers, very short beams so they won't penetrate below the skin, just INTO it to vaporize the ink from tattoos. I've been around lasers in college as well, they do NOT make noise, they do NOT leave visible beams unless you tune them to do that(which is silly for weaponization btw), and they sure as hell don't make a sonic boom.
Seriously, do a LITTLE research on actual weaponized lasers, not on tattoo removal lasers or other medical lasers, because medical lasers are ALL noisy, it's a safety feature built into the equipment so ******* docs, nurses and techs don't accidently hurt someone or themselves, since the beams are usually invisible.
This is not a simulation, but a game. As such it has to entertain the broad masses, not accurately represent reality for a trained audience. Which means it has to be based more on previous works of entertainment instead of reality. Not that I like it, but if people expect a laser to look like a solid beam and make a swooshy sound, then that's how your laser's going to be, if you want to sell your game.
This is not a simulation, but a game. As such it has to entertain the broad masses, not accurately represent reality for a trained audience. Which means it has to be based more on previous works of entertainment instead of reality. Not that I like it, but if people expect a laser to look like a solid beam and make a swooshy sound, then that's how your laser's going to be, if you want to sell your game.
Oh, I'm aware of that, the average human being is barely intelligent enough to continue breathing without constant supervision as far as I'm concerned. Can you tell I've done LOTS of tech and customer support work in my life?
I figure it this way, the lasers are actually weaponized, the beams are NOT visual to the naked eyeball, but our HUDs show us the beams so we know where they are, since the beams ARE visible to our sensors! That's how I get around the fact that weaponized lasers are not something the human eye can detect, instead of thinking about how the game devs had to cater to the morons of the world
Kristov Kerensky, on 08 June 2015 - 11:54 AM, said:
Seriously, do a LITTLE research on actual weaponized lasers, not on tattoo removal lasers or other medical lasers, because medical lasers are ALL noisy, it's a safety feature built into the equipment so ******* docs, nurses and techs don't accidently hurt someone or themselves, since the beams are usually invisible.
So you refuted 1 of 3 videos... the other two are lasers being focussed so that they ionize the air. What happens in those other two videos you refuse to acknowledge when that air ionizes? Is there a sound?
As for the "Those lasers are cutting through steel!" comment.... Yeah.. what is the thickness of steel on those missiles, I've looked them up and it looks like a 1/4" shell of steel around explosives and fuel... so those lasers are burning a hole in a 1/4" of steel and igniting the fuel or payload.
Now lets talk about a laser that burns through 1/4 TON of ARMOR in about the same time, if not less, not the thin skin of a 10-20kg missile.
So you refuted 1 of 3 videos... the other two are lasers being focussed so that they ionize the air. What happens in those other two videos you refuse to acknowledge when that air ionizes? Is there a sound?
As for the "Those lasers are cutting through steel!" comment.... Yeah.. what is the thickness of steel on those missiles, I've looked them up and it looks like a 1/4" shell of steel around explosives and fuel... so those lasers are burning a hole in a 1/4" of steel and igniting the fuel or payload.
Now lets talk about a laser that burns through 1/4 TON of ARMOR in about the same time, if not less, not the thin skin of a 10-20kg missile.
You linked 3 videos of the exact same tattoo removal laser, and I touched on the one creating plasma, that's someone who's set the beam length beyond it's norms and is messing around. Yes, when you do things beyond the norm with a laser, you can do things beyond the norm with a laser!
And the military laser links I gave you, those are real world weaponized lasers in use at this moment. They'll burn a hole in metal, something that the tattoo removal laser you linked won't do.
Seriously, research this please, you really aren't coming across well to anyone that knows the basics of how lasers work. That beam of photons isn't hot, it's highly energized photons, the heat is created when they hit a solid object and the energy is imparted into that object. The atmosphere, it's mostly empty space, so there's little interaction between the beam and the air it's passing through. Please, hit the wiki for a bit, you might be surprised.
Kristov Kerensky, on 08 June 2015 - 04:20 PM, said:
You linked 3 videos of the exact same tattoo removal laser....
No I didn't....
Mercules, on 08 June 2015 - 09:48 AM, said:
Kristov Kerensky, on 08 June 2015 - 04:20 PM, said:
And the military laser links I gave you, those are real world weaponized lasers in use at this moment. They'll burn a hole in metal, something that the tattoo removal laser you linked won't do.
Yes, I get that a real world laser that burns a hole in a 1/4-1/2 inch of steel and ignites highly flammable interiors isn't hot enough passing through the air to ionize it. Again I'll point out... less than 1/2 inch of steel shell on a 10kg missile into explosive material.... 1/4 ton of ARMOR.
Kristov Kerensky, on 08 June 2015 - 04:20 PM, said:
The atmosphere, it's mostly empty space, so there's little interaction between the beam and the air it's passing through.
Yet lighting interacts with enough molecules to generate a shockwave... As would a high intensity beam hot enough to melt ARMOR by the 1/4 tons.
Again, do some research, lasers don't make sound, that's purely a movie invention.
Lasers as weapons are rather impractical for a host of reasons, especially in atmosphere, but sound isn't one of the myriad problems because the laser beam is silent. The machinery powering the laser, the actual hardware that creates the beam, THOSE can be very noisy, think a vacuum cleaner noisy, but that's hardware making the sound, not the beam, it's silent.
You can keep trying to make out that a high energy laser is noisy but just because you think it does doesn't make it so, science and reality both agree, the beam is silent.
Back on topic, inside a Mech, you won't hear much ambient noise, and any you do hear will be filtered through the neurohelmet and it's headphones. Safety feature of the machine, can't be going around blowing out ear drums and ruining balance since you literally can't drive a Mech if your balance is shot, just ask Grayson Carlyle.
Kristov Kerensky, on 08 June 2015 - 02:26 PM, said:
I figure it this way, the lasers are actually weaponized, the beams are NOT visual to the naked eyeball, but our HUDs show us the beams so we know where they are, since the beams ARE visible to our sensors!
It's strange how you are willing to forgo physics in your own imagination, but don't want to allow the same thing for other people.
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Lugh, on 08 June 2015 - 09:49 AM, said:
