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[Widowmaker1981]

I really dont understand this obsession with 'shorter mechs are better' from a gameplay perspective. They arent, its swings and roundabouts. Shorter mech can hide behind shorter cover, but taller mechs can shoot over other mechs in the furball, and you can always, i dunno, find some more appropriate height cover? Its not to do with being able to shoot them easily, how often do your shots miss high or low on non jumping targets? no where near as often as to the side is the answer.

[stjobe]

Widowmaker1981, on 09 June 2015 - 04:52 AM, said:

I really dont understand this obsession with 'shorter mechs are better' from a gameplay perspective. They arent, its swings and roundabouts. Shorter mech can hide behind shorter cover, but taller mechs can shoot over other mechs in the furball, and you can always, i dunno, find some more appropriate height cover? Its not to do with being able to shoot them easily, how often do your shots miss high or low on non jumping targets? no where near as often as to the side is the answer.

Shorter 'mechs make smaller targets (generally), that's why.

Size is very relevant in MWO, although it's not strictly height but also width and depth to a degree.

A tall, narrow 'mech can be okay, as long as it's not too long front-to-back.
A tall, wide 'mech... Well, the Awesome isn't.

Short and narrow is where it's at, because people don't aim half as good as they think they do.

Edited by stjobe, 09 June 2015 - 06:26 AM.

[CDLord HHGD]

You must be new here......

They do this to all the mechs where necessary to add torso twisting.

#oldnewsmovealong

[Mazzyplz]

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I really dont understand this obsession with 'shorter mechs are better' from a gameplay perspective.

i couldn't care less about gameplay; it's not about gameplay.

cdlord, on 09 June 2015 - 06:27 AM, said:

You must be new here......

They do this to all the mechs where necessary to add torso twisting.

#oldnewsmovealong

well yea but the nova is still short for example because it's legs bend further back

[CDLord HHGD]

Mazzyplz, on 09 June 2015 - 06:30 AM, said:

i couldn't care less about gameplay; it's not about gameplay.



well yea but the nova is still short for example because it's legs bend further back

Well as always we'll have to see how it stands next to other mechs in-game. It might surprise you. We never really know until we get those usual screenshot teasers a day or two before release. I think the mech looks awesome.

[Templar Dane]

Here's to hoping PGI learned from their scaling mistakes in the past and don't repeat them in the future.

cdlord, on 09 June 2015 - 06:32 AM, said:

Well as always we'll have to see how it stands next to other mechs in-game. It might surprise you. We never really know until we get those usual screenshot teasers a day or two before release. I think the mech looks awesome.

Alex does really good work. Unfortunately the end designs sometimes don't always strictly adhere to the concept drawings.

[Widowmaker1981]

stjobe, on 09 June 2015 - 06:25 AM, said:

Shorter 'mechs make smaller targets (generally), that's why.

Size is very relevant in MWO, although it's not strictly height but also width and depth to a degree.

A tall, narrow 'mech can be okay, as long as it's not too long front-to-back.
A tall, wide 'mech... Well, the Awesome isn't.

Short and narrow is where it's at, because people don't aim half as good as they think they do.

Imo, its purely width and depth because those are the planes the mechs move in (barring JJ mechs, which this isnt). Height is extremely secondary to those in terms of aiming.

[XX Sulla XX]

The original desigsn are just goofy looking. Including how short it is.

[Juodas Varnas]

MWO's design is easily the best this mech ever looked.

Though, partly, i do wish both the Cauldron Born and the Black Hawk didn't have waists (no torso twists).
Why?
It'd give me some hope for Quadruped mechs. (Scorpion being my favorite mech in Battletech)

[theta123]

Juodas Varnas, on 09 June 2015 - 07:02 AM, said:

MWO's design is easily the best this mech ever looked.

Though, partly, i do wish both the Cauldron Born and the Black Hawk didn't have waists (no torso twists).
Why?
It'd give me some hope for Quadruped mechs. (Scorpion being my favorite mech in Battletech)

So many mechs made by MWO look 10 times better then the origenal. Only the Gargogyle was a dissapointment IMO

[Corbenik]

I love the Cb and that Mockup is just disgusting, I like the original artwork better. anyways before any complaints lets wait and see with the upcoming countdown to see how it looks to really get your panties in a twist.

[CDLord HHGD]

XX Sulla XX, on 09 June 2015 - 06:59 AM, said:

The original desigsn are just goofy looking. Including how short it is.

Yeah, I have found a liking for many mechs in MWO that I was absolutely horrified by the TRO artwork. Best example: Kintaro. If Alex can save that mech, then he's got my vote as a miracle worker. Now, let's see if he'll tackle the Crockett.

[Mavairo]

Kiiyor, on 09 June 2015 - 01:54 AM, said:

Or balance.

OP, a heavy mech with the height of a medium? A small medium? With high weapon hardpoints, and what looks to be amazing frontal hitboxes?

No thanks. Nostalgia needs to take a back seat sometimes to gameplay practicality.

If anyone thinks it being the "size of a cicada" would dethrone the Timbergod.....

[Felbombling]

You can complain about all kinds of things that you think are wrong with MW: O... but the concept art is fantastic. The art and model are a function of game mechanics, and, to be honest, Dwayne Loose never really thought about torso twisting in a number of his Technical Readout drawings in the first place. Some of those drawings are ridiculous from a general movement standpoint.

[MoonUnitBeta]

I find it funny how many people didn’t actually read the OP. Who just looked at the picture is think that’s what OP wants…

OP, Russ has said on Twitter that there will be more squat.

https://twitter.com/...267972075139072
https://twitter.com/...268040270389248

[SgtMagor]

the original artwork looks more like a statue, I don't see how the mech could even move with legs designed like that.

[Juodas Varnas]

SgtMagor, on 09 June 2015 - 07:29 AM, said:

the original artwork looks more like a statue, I don't see how the mech could even move with legs designed like that.

It's not even the most ridiculous thing around.
Take a gander at the Falconer

[Templar Dane]

Juodas Varnas, on 09 June 2015 - 07:35 AM, said:

It's not even the most ridiculous thing around.
Take a gander at the Falconer

It's like the marauder. I think the marauder looks like crap but people love it.

[CDLord HHGD]

lordtzar, on 09 June 2015 - 07:38 AM, said:

It's like the marauder. I think the marauder looks like crap but people love it.

BEHOLD!

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[Templar Dane]

cdlord, on 09 June 2015 - 07:51 AM, said:

When I see the marauder all I can think is



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Nerf marauder. It's hitboxes are OP

Edited by lordtzar, 09 June 2015 - 07:55 AM.