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[Nightmare1]

1453 R, on 09 June 2015 - 09:22 AM, said:

This shouldn't happen, unless the girlfriend's account was also utilizing the cheats, in which case tough cookies for her. If we let people whose accounts show active cheats come back because "Oh I didn't know! It was my boyfriend's computer!", then we may as well just not ban anyone for cheating in the first place.

Bingo!

In fact, one of the guys in my Unit got curious when the ban wave came out, so he researched these hacks and then told us about them that night. Not only are you charged a fee (I think he said that it was something like a $100/month) for using the software, but you also have to set it up on a Mech-per-Mech and weapon-per-weapon basis on your account. There's no way she didn't "know" she was cheating!

Not sure which is more amazing, the fact that some people maintain their innocence in such a condenscending manner towards the rest of us, or the fact that people would be willing to pay that much or work that hard to cheat at a free-to-play game.

[InspectorG]

Let them come back.

They get caught, they lose the Acct. They dont cheat, they can rebuild.

Penalty enough, IMO.

[Dimento Graven]

Nightmare1, on 09 June 2015 - 09:58 AM, said:

Assuming she was telling the truth and not just throwing her boyfriend under the bus you mean.

Frankly, she was a real pain on the forums. The fact that she used hacks to cheat her way up the Leaderboards was also a nuisance. If she's back, then she'll be an even bigger pain than before.

And what's to prevent them from using their already purchased, and by now probably patched, hack on the new account?

I'd rather avoid the frustration and such and just not let 'em back in at all. I realize that it's probably impossible with this game as there's nothing more than an account ban available (no IP banning and even so IP banning being as limited as it is) so... Ug.

[Almond Brown]

lordtzar, on 09 June 2015 - 09:33 AM, said:

UAV, spotter you didn't see

Standing on the wrong side of a 4 sided building?

[Kristov Kerensky]

PGI's official response is they can come back. Accounts were banned, not IPs, and a few of them came back within hours already.

Personally, I'd rather they all were permbanned totally, it can be done via hardware bans that the hackers can't actually spoof. They used hacks once, from a SUBSCRIPTION HACK SERVICE! Who the hell really thinks they won't do it again, that they are not ALREADY doing it again with the most recent update of the hack that's detection proof atm.

Fenris, her boyfriend wasn't the one who's account was using hacks, HER account was, that is what they banned, the ACCOUNT using the hack, not the computer, not the IP, the actual logged in account. After reading her forum posts, you actually fell for that one? Dude, seriously?

[1453 R]

Almond Brown, on 09 June 2015 - 10:03 AM, said:

Standing on the wrong side of a 4 sided building?

Accusing anyone who hits you with anything at any time of cheating is a great way to not improve your game, man.

[Bilbo]

Dimento Graven, on 09 June 2015 - 10:03 AM, said:

And what's to prevent them from using their already purchased, and by now probably patched, hack on the new account?

I'd rather avoid the frustration and such and just not let 'em back in at all. I realize that it's probably impossible with this game as there's nothing more than an account ban available (no IP banning and even so IP banning being as limited as it is) so... Ug.

Nothing, but I would assume the new accounts would be heavily monitored if PGI is aware of them.

[Dimento Graven]

Almond Brown, on 09 June 2015 - 10:03 AM, said:

Standing on the wrong side of a 4 sided building?

Probably something like that, or of the following:

1. Unseen UAV - sometimes they are nearly invisible or worse, they're RIGHT above you or near enough that your mech doesn't allow enough torso bend to see what's directly above you.
2. Unseen spotter - With BAP, sensor range module, probably some quirks somewhere, you can have people spotting you from a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG way aways, and if your Elo is high enough you could be playing with people who know when and where to use 3rd person view to maintain a lock/view of you while being nearly invisible.
3. You were locked and your mech lacking the Radar Dep module, and the LRM boat who had you locked, had the lock module that allows them to maintain a lock for a bit after you've left their LOS.
4. Insert some random insult about being bad at this game in a lame attempt to get your goat.

Bilbo, on 09 June 2015 - 10:07 AM, said:

Nothing, but I would assume the new accounts would be heavily monitored if PGI is aware of them.

I would hope so man...

[CDLord HHGD]

Black Ivan, on 09 June 2015 - 09:45 AM, said:

Report them so that they get banned again. Had some strange games during the weekend aswell.

Best thing would be that PGI creates a hardwired solution to this.

Yeah, the risk is the loss of real money investment, but nothing stops free account on top of free account griefing with exploits. Maybe a "Three Strike" policy for IP/MAC banning, but even those can be circumvented easily....

[Piney II]

Cheaters coming back minus all of their cool gear to start over again and drive trial mechs - no problem. Cheaters ballsy enough to come back and cheat again - they'll be caught again.

Edited by Piney, 09 June 2015 - 10:20 AM.

[Wabbit Swaya]

Mystere, on 09 June 2015 - 09:04 AM, said:

New Account = New Player, as far as I am concerned anyway. But if they're caught cheating, then ban them again.

Not trying to raise a stink, but how exactly does New Account = New Player? When it's the same (already got caught cheating once) person behind the curtain pulling the levers?

As they say, once a cheater, always a cheater.

[Zeusus]

Kristov Kerensky, on 09 June 2015 - 10:06 AM, said:

Personally, I'd rather they all were permbanned totally, it can be done via hardware bans that the hackers can't actually spoof.

Except hardware can be spoofed actually. Unless PGI wants every anti virus and anti malware programme under the sun to flag MWO, and even then it can probably be spoofed (not 100% sure there). There is no ban which can't be spoofed outside of someone buying a new account which doesn't work in F2P.

[Wintersdark]

IP banning is totally pointless, as 9ó% of home users have dynamically assigned IP addresses. Getting a static (unchanging) IP address actually costs more. For many people, just rebooting their modem will get them a new IP (or leaving it unplugged for 24hrs or so for your lease to expire), and that's not counting simple options like VPN's etc.


As to the whole "my girlfriend got banned because she was logged in via my client"? Too bad. Don't be a cheating douchebag, and you won't get your girlfriend banned. Likewise, everyone should have a care where they log into online games from, for this (amongst many other) reasons.

[Mercules]

Dimento Graven, on 09 June 2015 - 10:10 AM, said:

3. You were locked and your mech lacking the Radar Dep module, and the LRM boat who had you locked, had the lock module that allows them to maintain a lock for a bit after you've left their LOS.

If a Spotter has the extended lock module as well that adds even MORE time to how long you can be out of view and still targeted.

[CDLord HHGD]

Mercules, on 09 June 2015 - 10:43 AM, said:

If a Spotter has the extended lock module as well that adds even MORE time to how long you can be out of view and still targeted.

I didn't know they stacked.... O.o

[mailin]

Yeah the sensor range modules and things stack. As far as the spotter, I can't tell you how many times I've been the spotter and not been spotted. I know the enemy is getting really frustrated, because I can see them looking around. A good spotter spots without being spotted no matter how many other spotters are trying to spot the spotter and they soon realize their best efforts are spotty at best.

[Mercules]

cdlord, on 09 June 2015 - 10:48 AM, said:

I didn't know they stacked.... O.o

Well, it is like this:

• Spotter has a lock and target goes into cover.
  
• Timer begins for Spotter to lose lock which this module increases.
  
• Once Spotter loses lock timer begins for LRM launching mech which this module increases.

So yeah they stack.

[STEF_]

Mystere, on 09 June 2015 - 09:04 AM, said:

New Account = New Player, as far as I am concerned anyway. But if they're caught cheating, then ban them again.

I'm sorry but in this way we'll never get free.

Ban must be hardware/windows serial based. And forever.

[Templar Dane]

Nightmare1, on 09 June 2015 - 10:03 AM, said:

Bingo!

In fact, one of the guys in my Unit got curious when the ban wave came out, so he researched these hacks and then told us about them that night. Not only are you charged a fee (I think he said that it was something like a $100/month) for using the software, but you also have to set it up on a Mech-per-Mech and weapon-per-weapon basis on your account. There's no way she didn't "know" she was cheating!

Not sure which is more amazing, the fact that some people maintain their innocence in such a condenscending manner towards the rest of us, or the fact that people would be willing to pay that much or work that hard to cheat at a free-to-play game.

Oh man that's gotta suck being so ****** at a game you have to pay 100 bucks a month to suck less. lololol

[Kristov Kerensky]

Zeusus, on 09 June 2015 - 10:26 AM, said:

Except hardware can be spoofed actually. Unless PGI wants every anti virus and anti malware programme under the sun to flag MWO, and even then it can probably be spoofed (not 100% sure there). There is no ban which can't be spoofed outside of someone buying a new account which doesn't work in F2P.

There are hardware bans that can't be spoofed, it just requires a little more effort on the part of PGI to implement them, and I don't see them doing that. After all, they are already allowing banned hack users to make new accounts, primarily because they expect money to be spent on MWO by those hack users who are coming back with new accounts. STUPID ******* thought process, but this IS PGI after all so not a surprise at all.