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[800]

This day was utterly dissapointing, teams I've been in were obliterated, often even 12-0. There's no shelter, no escape, only despair. All of this happenned because of one, single sentence in the event page, here it is:


Ofcourse pugstompers themselves will consider this as antoher rage post, however I can assure you it isn't even though I'm furious and would like that pugstompers would get the hell out of this planet, apparently it isn't under my jurisdiction.

What I am trying to show is the scale of pubstomping since event began, like it wasn't enough pre-event it became much, MUCH worse, that much worse than any entertainment in the game is absolutely gone and what remains is fear of future " what will happen in another match? another pugstomp group?! how will I do the event then, what can I do?!".The situation is critical and must be dealt with immediatly.

Just in order to get a sense how appalling current situation is, my match results, bear in mind that I've been one of the people in my team which was on the higher end of point collection, I can't even imagine the dreadful situation of those guys which manage to hop over 30 pts just like one in ten matches, would fully understand them if they'd ragequit game forever:



Concerning title of the topic, take a look at what Wikipedia consider as global issues of 21st century: http://i.imgur.com/mP9fyo9.png

Edited by 800, 13 June 2015 - 03:30 PM.

[Mcgral18]

How do you fail to deal 300 damage?


Even my Myth Lynx managed every time. You're (or the people who fail to deal at least 200, preferably more) are the reason these pugstomps happen.


You fail to damage the enemy and do your part, so your team has fewer guns and fewer targets, which causes the snowball effect.


Being less Bad is generally the solution.

[Crixus316]

800, on 13 June 2015 - 03:12 PM, said:

This day was utterly dissapointing, teams I've been in were obliterated, often even 12-0. There's no shelter, no escape, only despair. All of this happenned because of one, single sentence in the event page, here it is:


Ofcourse pugstompers themselves will consider this as antoher rage post, however I can assure you it isn't even though I'm furious and would like that pugstompers would get the hell out of this planet, apparently it isn't under my jurisdiction.

What I am trying to show is the scale of pubstomping since event began, like it wasn't enough pre-event it became much, MUCH worse, that much worse than any entertainment in the game is absolutely gone nad what remains is fear of future " what will happen in another match? another pugstomp group?! how will I do the event then, what can I do?!".The situation is critical and must be dealt with immediatly. My proposal is to avert your action of declaring the event applying to both groups and solo drops or if you dislike that suggestion, then make matchmaker to match solo drops vs solo drops and group drops vs group drops.

Just in order to get a sense how appalling current situation is, my match results, bear in mind that I've been one of the people in my team which was on the higher end of point collection, I can't even imagine the dreadful situation of those guys which manage to hop over 30 pts just like one in ten matches, would fully understand them if they'd ragequit game forever:



Concerning title of the topic, take a look at what Wikipedia consider as global issues of 21st century: http://i.imgur.com/mP9fyo9.png

Maybe you should try training grounds. I have heard the enemy is so bad, they stand still and let you shoot at them.

[EgoSlayer]

800, on 13 June 2015 - 03:12 PM, said:

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What I am trying to show is the scale of pubstomping since event began, like it wasn't enough pre-event it became much, MUCH worse, that much worse than any entertainment in the game is absolutely gone nad what remains is fear of future " what will happen in another match? another pugstomp group?! how will I do the event then, what can I do?!".The situation is critical and must be dealt with immediatly. My proposal is to avert your action of declaring the event applying to both groups and solo drops or if you dislike that suggestion, then make matchmaker to match solo drops vs solo drops and group drops vs group drops.

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Um pugstomping by groups isn't happening in Assault, Conquest, or Skirmish. Solo queue and group queue are indeed completely separate already, nothing has changed.

If you're playing solo queue you are only matched against other people in the solo queue, and stomps happen because of the combat loss grouping effect, not because groups are playing solos.

Unless you are talking about CW, in which case there is only one queue and it is groups vs solos.

Edited by EgoSlayer, 13 June 2015 - 03:24 PM.

[Unnatural Growth]

OP,

I didn't read the whole wall of text there, but I think you misunderstand how the drops work. Groups can only drop in group que, and solo can only drop in solo que. What they are saying is that group drops in group que also qualify for the event. Not all events allow group drops to qualify, and this note was just to let the group players know they could also qualify.

And as a side note, I think I've only had one game not qualify so far, in 30+ games. You don't have to win the match to qualify, only score a match score of 30+. And I've had a few bad games, and still gotten my 30+ overall match score.

[Kira Onime]

Played 25 games and the lowest match score I got was 39 in a game where we got stomped.
Not sure how you manage to fail to get 30 in nearly half your games.

[800]

OldOrgandonor, on 13 June 2015 - 03:22 PM, said:

OP,

I didn't read the whole wall of text there, but I think you misunderstand how the drops work. Groups can only drop in group que, and solo can only drop in solo que. What they are saying is that group drops in group que also qualify for the event. Not all events allow group drops to qualify, and this note was just to let the group players know they could also qualify.

Roger, thank you for explanation, I'll edit my suggestion a bit then.

KiraOnime, on 13 June 2015 - 03:26 PM, said:

Played 25 games and the lowest match score I got was 39 in a game where we got stomped.
Not sure how you manage to fail to get 30 in nearly half your games.

Well I get really lamentable teams and matches which i get below 30 pts well.. they end like 12-0 or 12-2, for some reason after event such matches became extremely common.

[Templar Dane]

Idiot dies. Idiot thinks his mistake was moving.

Idiot doesn't move.

Idiot's idiot lancemates hide as well.

Idiots get flanked.

Idiots die.

Idiots blame anybody but themselves.

[Kira Onime]

800, on 13 June 2015 - 03:30 PM, said:

Well I get really lamentable teams and matches which i get below 30 pts well.. they end like 12-0 or 12-2, for some reason after event such matches became extremely common.

I was on the receiving end of 12-2 stomps and still managed to get a 50+ match score.
Your teammates complaining shouldn't be an excuse.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Events bring in people that don't play often. And that often means their Elo is much higher than it ought be.

This phenomenon is not exclusive to MWO at all, but all games that host events.

[Mavairo]

I've been on the losing end of a few stomps and still manage a 50 match score. ...in a medium, which is a terrible weight class. Not only that, in a mech I've never used before, the Enforcer.

Carry Harder.

[Mystere]

EgoSlayer, on 13 June 2015 - 03:22 PM, said:

Um pugstomping by groups isn't happening in Assault, Conquest, or Skirmish. Solo queue and group queue are indeed completely separate already, nothing has changed.

If you're playing solo queue you are only matched against other people in the solo queue, and stomps happen because of the combat loss grouping effect, not because groups are playing solos.

Unless you are talking about CW, in which case there is only one queue and it is groups vs solos.

Ahem! Mudhut would say there are sync drops everywhere, in all games all the time ... and cheaters too, legions of them ...

[Mudhutwarrior]

Got the same results as him and I have over 30k matches and a positive K/D of 1.17

We all know about comp guys and the graphics exploits, macros and faction sponsored synch drops. Just like another conspiracy theory proven recently with 66AH.

Clubbing baby seals for sport and farming. And you wonder why tryhards are so hated.

Some of us play straight with max graphics, no file mods or macros. Some of us are offended to think we would need to synch drop to roll pug for profit or fun for sociopaths.

The real issue is if were experienced pugs how does the noobs fare?

Your killing any chance of this playerbase growing for selfish reasons. This ain't Wall St. its a game.

[GeistHrafn]

I'm done my Assault and Skirmish grab bags, and 1/2 done my Conquest. In all of those, I have 3 games that didn't qualify, and all were done in the PUG queue, with various Jenners. Of the 3 that I didn't qualify for, one was a dual gauss Jager and bad positioning on my part, and the other 2 were me being too cocky. None were related to stomps or losses.

My only complaint really has been the sudden over-abundance of Lurms lol.

[Alistair Winter]

lordtzar, on 13 June 2015 - 03:30 PM, said:

Idiot dies. Idiot thinks his mistake was moving.
Idiot doesn't move.
Idiot's idiot lancemates hide as well.
Idiots get flanked.
Idiots die.
Idiots blame anybody but themselves.

Mcgral18, on 13 June 2015 - 03:17 PM, said:

How do you fail to deal 300 damage?

I think there are several ways to fail this, without it being your fault. Good players can find themselves in bad positions in the pug matches, usually because the team splits up and dies before you have a chance to make an impact. By the time you have a real chance to do some damage, you may be so outnumbered that you simply won't be able to do much. This is especially true for builds that rely on damage over time, as opposed to 75+ ton mechs that can basically just vomit 300 damage in 10 seconds if you hit the override button.

[Mystere]

Mudhutwarrior, on 13 June 2015 - 03:46 PM, said:

Got the same results as him and I have over 30k matches and a positive K/D of 1.17

We all know about comp guys and the graphics exploits, macros and faction sponsored synch drops. Just like another conspiracy theory proven recently with 66AH.

Clubbing baby seals for sport and farming. And you wonder why tryhards are so hated.

Some of us play straight with max graphics, no file mods or macros. Some of us are offended to think we would need to synch drop to roll pug for profit or fun for sociopaths.

The real issue is if were experienced pugs how does the noobs fare?

Your killing any chance of this playerbase growing for selfish reasons. This ain't Wall St. its a game.

See what I mean.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Mudhutwarrior, on 13 June 2015 - 03:46 PM, said:

Got the same results as him and I have over 30k matches and a positive K/D of 1.17

We all know about comp guys and the graphics exploits, macros and faction sponsored synch drops. Just like another conspiracy theory proven recently with 66AH.

Clubbing baby seals for sport and farming. And you wonder why tryhards are so hated.

Some of us play straight with max graphics, no file mods or macros. Some of us are offended to think we would need to synch drop to roll pug for profit or fun for sociopaths.

The real issue is if were experienced pugs how does the noobs fare?

Your killing any chance of this playerbase growing for selfish reasons. This ain't Wall St. its a game.

I'm a "comp" with max settings and I don't even have a user.cfg. Nor do I use macros because it's more effort than simple muscle memory. If I'm going to play with QQ I do it in group queue. If you catch me in solo then I'm not feeling social.

Broad strokes.

[thesleepyslam]

In my unit, we constantly joke about how it's pretty much impossible to get less than a match score of 30, last time they did this sort of challenge, every single game I played qualified. That's my experience going into this thread. And now with that background...

Listen, dawg, I know it's hard, but I think that you might be one of the few people having trouble getting the match score even with a loss, and it sucks when you get rolled, but 30 match score really isn't unreasonable, and lowering it any more would make it possible to just rush in->suicide->get 100-120 damage, quit immediately, and drop again.

That's really a level of toxicity that I'm not comfortable with.

[Mavairo]

Mystere, on 13 June 2015 - 03:49 PM, said:

See what I mean.

We're all wicked evil seal clubbers, and if we could we'd tea bag their corpses!

[Mudhutwarrior]

Mavairo, on 13 June 2015 - 03:53 PM, said:

We're all wicked evil seal clubbers, and if we could we'd tea bag their corpses!

If the shoe fits. The real top players will admit whats going on with the majority. If you want to act like the herd expect to get thrown in with them. I still haven't forgotten one of 66AH was a big shot with all the answers on the forums. For him there were no pugstomps either.

So feel comfortable fitting the profile.