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[Matthew Ace]

Titannium, on 15 June 2015 - 11:51 PM, said:

regarding sarna, MASC should allow to go 200% speed.
Here i see max 20% ?

woot ?

200% walking speed = 133% (edited) running speed

Don't forget the massive accel/decel/turn rate either. It may not be a 50% boost to running speed, but it's no trivial equipment either.

Edited by Matthew Ace, 16 June 2015 - 12:41 AM.

[Anunknownlurker]

No idea about the "historical" values of MASC (not too bothered to be honest, I play MWO not Battletech - and he ducks preparing for shot fired!) but having watched the NGNG stream yesterday, I have to say it looks a little...meh.

I was hoping for more spectacular acceleration - a sort of N2O effect, a bit more "kick in the chest" - although I suppose as it was being run on a 95 ton chassis that would be hard. Hopefully MASC will be more impressive on the Shadowcat and other lighter chassis. Still, when used correctly - popping back into cover, pulling tight turns etc. - even on the Exe it looks mighty useful.

[SnagaDance]

Excellent patch! But while I like that there are new Mastery packs that are being released, it might have made sense to do those polls on the new Trial/Champion mechs first?

[Speedy Plysitkos]

Matthew Ace, on 15 June 2015 - 11:55 PM, said:

200% walking speed = 150% running speed

Don't forget the massive accel/decel/turn rate either. It may not be a 50% boost to running speed, but it's no trivial equipment either.

20% isnt 50% or ?

[Matthew Ace]

Titannium, on 16 June 2015 - 12:10 AM, said:

20% isnt 50% or ?

Sorry I miscalculated. +33% running speed. No, +10 or 20% isn't 33%, but the massive enhancement to accel/decel/turn is worth it.

[o0Marduk0o]

Dak Darklighter, on 15 June 2015 - 05:41 PM, said:

No, but he has a point. Why do so many mechs have quirks that have nothing to do with their stock weapon/equipment loadout? For example a while back when the Thunderbolt had amazing PPC quirks (leading to CW nonsense) instead of the Awesome. Firestarter gets no flamer quirks yet it was designeds specifically with them in mind. Why not extended Flamer range or damage? The quirk system makes me scratch my head.

Because most stock loadouts are BS.

[Elizander]

Jagermech Mastery Pack (65 tons) ends up being cheaper than the Trebuchet Mastery Pack (50 tons)

[Mcgral18]

Matthew Ace, on 16 June 2015 - 12:44 AM, said:

Sorry I miscalculated. +33% running speed. No, +10 or 20% isn't 33%, but the massive enhancement to accel/decel/turn is worth it.

I'm not convinced with the Shadowcat.

25% twist bonus? I had better hope the SHC gets that as a normal quirk, because guess what? The DoomCrow gets that, all the time, due to a 15% CT quirk and 10% ST quirk.

I'll assume the Acceleration boost affects both forward and reverse (as there's a reverse speed quirk, but no acceleration...it also makes sense it's a universal aspect)

The Accel boost of 75% is better than doubled basics, at 45%. I'll assume they stack, for a 220% base acceleration. Over double a stock robot.


Lasting 7.5 seconds (safely), for not even a 10 Kph boost, it will be used almost exclusively to peek. Which JJs would allow as well (seeing as there are 3 tons hardwired).


I think I'd prefer the 2 tons to be able to take a Gauss rifle (30 rounds, 2 ERMLs) or UAC20 (4 tons ammo, 2 ERSLs) with 18 tons of pod space.
Not going to happen, I know, but that's my preference. It doesn't have the hardpoints for much. It can't even perform anti light duties effectively, as it's outclassed by the Crow, seeing as it theoretically would have ran 142Kph for 7 seconds as opposed to 116.


At least it gets 10 TrueDubs and high mounts.

[Anunknownlurker]

@Mcgral18 - My maths ain't great but won't the Shadowcat once it is elited with full speed teak and MASC be significantly quicker than the SCR? Albeit for short distances. That, with the addition of jjs, small size (better mobility maybe?) should give it a place in its own right. Yes, probably not as a Firestarter killer (I guess the Arctic Cheetah will fill that role) but as a wonderful flanker, spotter, harasser with the speed and mobility to relocate which is missing from the other mediums.

Obviously we will have to wait and see but I am sure there will be one or two builds for the SHC which will give it a unique place on the MWO battlefield, plus....Shadowcat....I mean IT'S A FREAKING SHADOWCAT!!!!

Peace

[Clownwarlord]

Ebon Jag looks like it will be the standard dual gauss for a heavy in the clan stable of mechs, but it still has its laser vomit, streak, and other meta builds like the timby.

The Exo looks like a garg and what it should have been ... an assault bad #%$&@. MASC also looks not to be over powering but work as intended and I am looking forward to this.

As for the CW changes, well it will be interesting to see how this works because Sulfur CW map will now become pretty hard to win for the attackers since the drop zones are right on top of the generators. Boreal (the ice map just if I misspell the name) also will have the issue but you can sit back farther and have line of sight on the drop zones depending on the changes. So again will be interesting to see.

The conquest changes are an after thought it seems, and the same about general changes (modules and third-person).

Lastly, the mastering packages have always been meh so basically more meh, and then the fixes which there are always a few in every patch.

[Black Harpy]

And what's about the GRF-2N, it's now available for Cbills ?

[Rushmoar]

Elizander, on 16 June 2015 - 01:12 AM, said:

Jagermech Mastery Pack (65 tons) ends up being cheaper than the Trebuchet Mastery Pack (50 tons)

I'm sure it is a miss print. The Treb should be the same as the Griffin pack.

[A Man In A Can]

Thanks for the No Hardpoint Left Behind policy for the Adder.

Seyla

[Herr Vorragend]

I never was a fan of equipment being hardwired. The flamer on the nova, or the cAP on the ML should never have been hardwired, because those mechs simply need every bit of free tonnage for building them.

Some are saying, that those were kind of an elemental character of the mech. But who did ever use them? They are dead weight. Useless waste of space and tonnage and therefore a disadvantage.
I appreciate the change very much and also hope for an unlocking of the hardwired heatsinks

[Odanan]

process, on 15 June 2015 - 05:43 PM, said:

Flamers need a complete rework, taking it off the Adder was a good solution in the meantime.

But if PGI one day improve the flamer, they won't be able to make the weapon fixed again (the QQ will be big - see TW S jumpjets).

Flamers can be made viable in several simple ways, like increasing the damage by, lets say, 30%.

[Herr Vorragend]

Odanan, on 16 June 2015 - 02:22 AM, said:

But if PGI one day improve the flamer, they won't be able to make the weapon fixed again (the QQ will be big - see TW S jumpjets).

Flamers can be made viable in several simple ways, like increasing the damage by, lets say, 30%.

Lets be honest. Most stock configurations are not viable in a game like Mwo. Would you use a hardwired flamer, when you could have a laser in that slot? For me it was important to better have another dhs or another ton of ammo on board than the flamer (viable or not).


Edit: I also enjoy the higher variety of mechs in current matches. The quirks are necessary to make certain mechs more viable. Otherwise we would see tbr/scr overall I'd give armor quirks to commandos, kintaros, vindicators to raise their numbers in matches.

In general I think, that negative quirks are not as good as providing positive quirks to underperformers.

Edited by Herr Vorragend, 16 June 2015 - 02:54 AM.

[Odanan]

Herr Vorragend, on 16 June 2015 - 02:42 AM, said:

Lets be honest. Most stock configurations are not viable in a game like Mwo. Would you use a hardwired flamer, when you could have a laser in that slot? For me it was important to better have another dhs or another ton of ammo on board than the flamer (viable or not)

That's another discussion... personally, I like the MWO's omni system (with some hardwired equipment) and dislike the great customization we have in IS mechs...
(I know it is extremely hard to do the balance, but I wish one day to see more stock-oriented builds in the meta game, instead of these freaks that have nothing to do with the historical mech)

[Kinski Orlawisch]

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I miss it in the Patchnote.

[Widowmaker1981]

Little pissed at the MASC speed values for the Shadow Cat. It will get ~117 kph with MASC on, and if instead of mounting MASC it has simply put those 2 tons into running an XL300 instead of a 270 it would run 117kph all of the time with no sprint bar mechanic to deal with, and no slots used in the CT.

I know construction rules are such that you cant do that, but MASC should be balanced to give MORE than pumping the equivalent tonnage into the engine, since it takes slots and active management.

Maybe the acceleration boni will make it worth it, but i think the top speed should be higher.

[Herr Vorragend]

Odanan, on 16 June 2015 - 02:52 AM, said:

That's another discussion... personally, I like the MWO's omni system (with some hardwired equipment) and dislike the great customization we have in IS mechs...
(I know it is extremely hard to do the balance, but I wish one day to see more stock-oriented builds in the meta game, instead of these freaks that have nothing to do with the historical mech)

A stockmech-gamemode would be the right thing for you and better in general, because that's not everyone's opinion. I played mw1, mw2 and the Mc-series and I.like figuring out, testing and.optimizing builds. That's half of the fun in Mwo for me and I like as less restrictions as possible.
But: I'd also like to drop in a stockmechmode from time to time.


You shouldn't forget, that there are many stock loadouts in lore which are very bad and unfun to play. Forcing new players to go through that hell....no, they'd leave probably too fast.

Edited by Herr Vorragend, 16 June 2015 - 03:03 AM.