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[Mystere]

Nightmare1, on 17 June 2015 - 03:58 PM, said:

Like I said, I can't consider any video game a sport. To me, sports require actual sweat and blood; not thumb blisters and love handles.

Well, we at least have one thing we agree on.

[DAYLEET]

bad arcade kitty, on 17 June 2015 - 03:05 PM, said:

imo one should be very insecure to complain that enemy avoid being stomped, it sounds like 'baaaah, i want to stomp, i want to rule, i want to kill and they flee instead! simple win isn't enough for me!'

Almost every time i saw someone go out of bound to kill himself it wasted everyones times. They had weapons and armor but could not accept defeat so they go out of their way to avoid enemies so that no one get the extra kill stats. It's childish if not borderline ready for a psychiatrist visit "Lay there and tell me why you are so angry at the world".

And if you are weaponless and you can't figure out something else than suicide then i have to shake my head in disapproval.

[MechWarrior3671771]

"What should be the criteria and when can it be determined?"

Whatever it is, it should be determined by the pilot, not the other team.

Look, in a no-win scenario, I will always come back to the enemy and engage, its fun. I even fire my lasers into the sky so they can find me quicker. But I'm usually in a Light so its easy to get back to them.

But I am very libertarian when it comes to pilot actions. If you support the Liberty of the last man standing to draw out the game when he has almost no chance of winning (remember all the people who wanted him to "report for execution" to speed things up?) then you should also support the Liberty of the last man standing if he wants to suicide instead. Be consistent.

And stop demanding other people play the way you want them to.

Edited by Fenrisulvyn, 17 June 2015 - 04:21 PM.

[Alex Morgaine]

Percimes, on 17 June 2015 - 07:07 AM, said:

If it's not allowed in any circumstances, why do maps are not walled to prevent escape? Why are they designed with "exits" and a game mechanic was programmed to deal with people using them? Why bother with all this if you won't permit it within the game rules?

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eh why not, invisible walls are in some areas, wouldn't make it worse since its literally stopping people from "cowardly suiciding"

[bad arcade kitty]

Frosty Brand, on 17 June 2015 - 04:15 PM, said:

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eh why not, invisible walls are in some areas, wouldn't make it worse since its literally stopping people from "cowardly suiciding"

it would only remove the possibility of tactical retreat (to lure, to briefly hide etc), most of mechs can use overdrive to suicide

[InspectorG]

Mystere, on 17 June 2015 - 04:03 PM, said:

Who will win in a 1 vs. 12, you or 12 LORDs?
You vs. 8 LORDs?
You vs, 6 LORDs?
You vs. 4 LORDs?
You vs. 1 LORDs?

Where do you think you will perform well with regard to the above?




How will an average newb chess player perceive this and use the criteria?

Me in a light, late match vs 4 Lords? Ill try to take at least one with me.

vs 12 Lords? CHARGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know i likely wont win. Probably wont kill one if they focus me down. And ill make it fun, ill offer them to surrender.

Difference is im WILLING to try. Why?

I HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE IN DOING SO. My precious KDR? PPFFFTtt...I pilot Locusts.

There is an old saying in boxing "if you are gonna go down, go down swinging"

And who will the Lords respect more?

The guy who was lacking in skill but tried to put up a fight?

Or the ponce who tucked tail to run?

Maybe i just have some extra Street Heart?

Nightmare1, on 17 June 2015 - 04:03 PM, said:

Yeah, some matches really are hopeless, but not all of them are. If you give up and quit, then you'll never know how it might turn out. As for me, I will never take demean myself by suicide. To me, that is one of the most ungracious, spiteful, and disgraceful ways to end a match.

Hence why morale is such a big part of battle.

Edited by InspectorG, 17 June 2015 - 04:22 PM.

[Nightmare1]

Mystere, on 17 June 2015 - 04:03 PM, said:

You vs. 4 LORDs?
You vs. 1 LORDs?

Well, I've definitely done the bottom option there on more than one occasion.

...And I'm pretty sure I could do the top one under the right conditions.

Above four though, it doesn't really matter who your opponents are; it's a long shot! It's still possible though, technically speaking, and you will definitely never know unless you try.

[Mystere]

InspectorG, on 17 June 2015 - 04:21 PM, said:

Me ...

In other words, it's ultimately the player's choice and no one else's.

Nightmare1, on 17 June 2015 - 04:24 PM, said:

Well, I've definitely done the bottom option there on more than one occasion.

...And I'm pretty sure I could do the top one under the right conditions.

Above four though, it doesn't really matter who your opponents are; it's a long shot! It's still possible though, technically speaking, and you will definitely never know unless you try.

See above.

Edited by Mystere, 17 June 2015 - 04:27 PM.

[badaa]

i was in a game couple days ago there was one guys left we go looking for turns out he was hugging the border all game long he didn't do any thing not even firing once and as soon as he was the last guy he gave himself up then went out of bounds his score at the end of the match all 0's its ******** like this making ppl quit this game i think his name was alex something and if i could remember his full name i would name and shame his dumb ass

[bad arcade kitty]

badaa, on 17 June 2015 - 04:29 PM, said:

i was in a game couple days ago there was one guys left we go looking for turns out he was hugging the border all game long he didn't do any thing not even firing once and as soon as he was the last guy he gave himself up then went out of bounds his score at the end of the match all 0's its ******** like this making ppl quit this game i think his name was alex something and if i could remember his full name i would name and shame his dumb ass

sounds as severe fps problems or something

[InspectorG]

Fenrisulvyn, on 17 June 2015 - 04:11 PM, said:

"What should be the criteria and when can it be determined?"

Whatever it is, it should be determined by the pilot, not the other team.

Look, in a no-win scenario, I will always come back to the enemy and engage, its fun. I even fire my lasers into the sky so they can find me quicker. But I'm usually in a Light so its easy to get back to them.

But I am very libertarian when it comes to pilot actions. If you support the Liberty of the last man standing to draw out the game when he has almost no chance of winning (remember all the people who wanted him to "report for execution" to speed things up?) then you should also support the Liberty of the last man standing if he wants to suicide instead. Be consistent.

And stop demanding other people play the way you want them to.

So in a team game your Libertarian leaning dont mind goons on your team team-killing? You wouldnt mind a player degrading or bullying another? You wouldnt mind a teammate defecting to the other team, giving away info? You wouldnt mind players farming matches to boost cbill/exp?(non-participation)

Problem is, Libertarian or not, a team event is based on cohesive involvement and unity(insert Pug joke). The game pretty much requires a de facto adherence to trying to win. Otherwise the game falls apart.
Pretty much the terms agreed upon to participate, otherwise PGI can issue a ban.

The individual pilots, by participating, is committing to a team event. Some 'personal liberty' likely would have to be sacrificed to the greater good of winning, yes?

badaa, on 17 June 2015 - 04:29 PM, said:

d if i could remember his full name i would name and shame his dumb ass

Name and shame is against terms of service.

[InspectorG]

Mystere, on 17 June 2015 - 04:26 PM, said:

In other words, it's ultimately the player's choice and no one else's.

Yes, and MWO is a team based game with more or less zero-sum outcomes.

Cohesive participation generally leads to winning outcomes, yes?

So why should the game encourage players, by design, to mitigate their participation based on incomplete information regarding what they think is the likely outcome?

Do you want players who upon the start of the match, leave due to not having enough perceived ECM on their team seeing it as an unfair condition?

That type of stuff is the logical progression of letting players determine their level of participation AFTER committing to a match.
Sure, a player reduced to a stick on a big map could offer the other team to zoneout to save them the time if he cannot win via Cap/timeout/draw. What if the opposition wants to win via basecap?

But you have to admit thats a fairly rare instance.

Bottom line is MWO is a team-based game. Dropping in a match pretty much means the players in mind committed to finishing the match with the goal of winning/playing well in mind. Obviously, real life concerns will likely trump any in MWO.

Offering easy outs really just encourages player to cherry pick what they think are winnable matches in a setting that uses a 'limited' match maker.

You put the gloves on, you came to fight. Otherwise, spectate.

[badaa]

bad arcade kitty, on 17 June 2015 - 04:31 PM, said:

sounds as severe fps problems or something

no it wasn't he just sat his ass at the border all game and did nothing

InspectorG, on 17 June 2015 - 04:32 PM, said:

Name and shame is against terms of service.

i know and dont care ******** like this should be shamed

[InspectorG]

badaa, on 17 June 2015 - 05:01 PM, said:

no it wasn't he just sat his ass at the border all game and did nothing

i know and dont care ******** like this should be shamed

Your prerogative, but you may get a ban.

[Kassatsu]

This might make sense if you actually had to pay ANYTHING to repair/replace your mech, ammo and lost components. Pretty sure it'd also have some rather serious repercussions as a clan pilot, like... Never being able to pilot a mech again and being forced into hard labor for the rest of your (now short) life. I admit my lore is a bit rusty on that front.

But you don't. Because people cried about how it was unfair that they had to pay to repair their futuristic equivalent of a main battle tank after having it take damage (or losing it entirely) in actual battle. Also because you got 75% for free and people kept dropping in a mech with no armor or components and just rushing out to suicide farm c-bills and EXP (which was easily fixed and outright removing R&R was inexcusable). But, in typical PGI fashion, why take the route that makes the most sense? Besides, rather than R&R costs they can charge real money for consumables this way. Could have just had MC repairs as well but again, that makes sense! Can't have that.

As for running out of bounds in-game: Nope. Don't care what your excuse is, you lose nothing and I'm fairly certain it adds a 'death' (or worse, a suicide) to your stats either way. I mean, if you could 'retreat' by running out of bounds and incur a lesser penalty (only have to repair what damage was done to your mech, reduced end of match rewards)? I'd be all over that. But again, R&R is sadly absent for no good reason.

[Alex Morgaine]

badaa, on 17 June 2015 - 04:29 PM, said:

i was in a game couple days ago there was one guys left we go looking for turns out he was hugging the border all game long he didn't do any thing not even firing once and as soon as he was the last guy he gave himself up then went out of bounds his score at the end of the match all 0's its ******** like this making ppl quit this game i think his name was alex something and if i could remember his full name i would name and shame his dumb ass

That instance should be reportable by TOS if he literally had all 0s and didn't take any damage from non jumping actions. if he sniped for one hit, and then ran... its a grey area. I had all 0s one game in my Zeus due to river city ransom and derp thinking... and long range opponents galore. yeah no idea where to cover myself and I was honestly confused, maybe tired(? iunno excuses iknow) so i panicked. happens to everyone sometime. sadly even though i was near my group, I got picked for the culling, and had bad luck. The worst is that by TOS i could have been reported if someone decided to.
We need a resource management mode, or at least a legit surrender function so people having that "worst match ever" don't get reported wrongly, and those actually suicide farming don't get to get away with it. IIRC I Blind-fired some missiles but I don't think they hit anything... that was a bad match...

[Mystere]

Kassatsu, on 17 June 2015 - 05:15 PM, said:

As for running out of bounds in-game: Nope. Don't care what your excuse is, you lose nothing and I'm fairly certain it adds a 'death' (or worse, a suicide) to your stats either way. I mean, if you could 'retreat' by running out of bounds and incur a lesser penalty (only have to repair what damage was done to your mech, reduced end of match rewards)? I'd be all over that. But again, R&R is sadly absent for no good reason.

I think people are still not getting it. It's the players' prerogative on how they choose to die. Some choose to die fighting. Some would rather choose suicide over execution.

You do not like it? Too bad.

Edited by Mystere, 17 June 2015 - 05:42 PM.

[Mystere]

I think this thread being sent to K-town says it all. Have some cake!

Edited by Mystere, 17 June 2015 - 05:46 PM.

[Nightmare1]

Mystere, on 17 June 2015 - 05:46 PM, said:

I think this thread being sent to K-town says it all. Have some cake!

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Chronic quitter upset by truthful allegations that such conduct is unbecoming of a good sport or polite player and is punishable under the CoC decides that thread illustrating this should be sent to K-Town.

...Is that the ForumWarrior's version of running out of bounds?

Edit: Also, where's the cake?

Edited by Nightmare1, 17 June 2015 - 05:48 PM.

[MechWarrior3671771]

"So in a team game your Libertarian leaning dont mind goons on your team team-killing? You wouldnt mind a player degrading or bullying another? You wouldnt mind a teammate defecting to the other team, giving away info? You wouldnt mind players farming matches to boost cbill/exp?(non-participation)"

Argumentum a absurdum. Or reduction to absurdity. You might as well claim that pilots should be allowed to cheat.

Again, not your place to tell the last man standing how to play.

And I still do not see what the big deal is. You've already won the match, you just want to farm the last guy for cbills?

Edited by Fenrisulvyn, 17 June 2015 - 05:49 PM.