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[MechWarrior3671771]

"Ghogiel said 'indeed' he wasn't saying it's ok to give people away."

Huh? He also followed with "imo It's faster to call out the non participators and let support sort it out later"

ie. its ok to give people away

Those are two different views.

[GRiPSViGiL]

OP do what you want to do. You do not owe anyone in this game anything for how you want to play. Games are 15 mins long. If you want to shutdown to lay low for 5 mins after your team was wiped out in the first 5 mins you are entitled to do so if you wish.

I do not condone people trying to dictate how others play. Especially when PGI has already documented that you can rightfully shutdown after you have engaged in the fight.

[Ghogiel]

Fenrisulvyn, on 19 June 2015 - 01:11 PM, said:

"Ghogiel said 'indeed' he wasn't saying it's ok to give people away."

Huh? He also followed with "imo It's faster to call out the non participators and let support sort it out later"

ie. its ok to give people away

Those are two different views.

No they aren't.
The proper thing to do is report them as you said. It is also faster to call them out end the match and then report them. Then let support deal with it. Neither are conflicting statements or mutually exclusive.

[Monkey Lover]

Fenrisulvyn, on 19 June 2015 - 01:07 PM, said:

"Kind of your fault here. Saying you're hiding is not the same as setting up a trap"

Funny how the burden to communicate is always placed on the last man standing, who obviously has more important things to worry about than getting knifed in the back by a team mate.

I see this happen about once a week. A not a SINGLE time have any of the dead people bothered to type "hey dude what are you doing here? Setting ambush or hiding out?". Nope. Instead they pretend its on him to reassure them into not stabbing him in the back.

This is due to so many people shutting down and hiding for kdr. It's very rare for someone to setup a trap. I really like when people setup traps. Talking with your team shouldn't be a requirement really it should be.fun to say. Guys here's my plan. With the voip we have now it s very easy.

On a side note I always ask if the last person is here . Because I do break the rules and give away disconnects.

[Tiamat of the Sea]

Lunatic_Asylum, on 19 June 2015 - 12:19 PM, said:

We had a match where the outcome was not in our favor. As the last 'Mech, I found a sweet spot where my LRMs could reach people below me, and people above me could not see me well. I powered down, and then 1 person in my team revealed my position. The other one called me "duh", "coward", and the other one kept shouting out my position. Eventually, the enemy came from the side, where I was more vulnerable, thanks to the coordinates.
Is that a normal behavior? Was I doing something wrong? Is Power Down button there for a reason?!

It's generally assumed that if someone hides and powers down in a spot that's well out of the way on a corner of the map, they're trying to preserve their K/D ratio. The best way to handle this is to announce your intentions to your team when you find a spot to lie in ambush so that they don't think you are doing this.

It would be much less of an issue if people didn't actually do the 'hide and shut down to survive without any intent of trying to win the match' thing, but unfortunately, there are still a fairly large number of people who won't be dissuaded from this course of action.

[Peter2k]

Lunatic_Asylum, on 19 June 2015 - 12:32 PM, said:

I was waiting until they come from below to rain LRM upon the first one. Take them one by one. Apparently, the other two members just wanted me to be dead and have no chance.
I see that some people are against prolonging the match here. I do not care about my KDR at all. I wanted to take as many of them down as I could and maybe win the match, if it is possible.

might have used comms to state your intention
wonder why you didn't, with build in TS it's even easier these days


that hate comes from players who are forced to hunt down the last remaining mech like an easter egg

I have seen players (in solo que) hiding, shutting down and then leaving the game themselves

P.S.
did you really say you're hiding with honor? in that text window? to your team?

I would've understood if you goated the enemy while speaking on teamspeak that you're waiting for prey

[MechWarrior3671771]

"No they aren't [two different things]. The proper thing to do is report them as you said. It is also faster to call them out end the match and then report them. Then let support deal with it. Neither are conflicting statements or mutually exclusive."

Those ARE two different things. One is by the rules, the other makes you a team traitor.

[Ghogiel]

Fenrisulvyn, on 19 June 2015 - 01:38 PM, said:

"No they aren't [two different things]. The proper thing to do is report them as you said. It is also faster to call them out end the match and then report them. Then let support deal with it. Neither are conflicting statements or mutually exclusive."

Those ARE two different things. One is by the rules, the other makes you a team traitor.

You are moving the goal posts. "The proper thing to do is report them" and "Ideed" is affirmation of the same view. One is an affirmation of the other, It is also not incompatible or contray with calling out the position of shut down mechs and reporting them after the match is over.

[Lyoto Machida]

Ghogiel, on 19 June 2015 - 12:30 PM, said:

only viable if you are dead.
The reason they say powering down and hiding is against the spirit of the game is so the other 12 players on the other team don't have to go on an easter egg hunt for 5mins to find the shut down griefer.

Give BAP a 1000m range on shutdown mech detection if it is the last mech alive on the enemy team...problem solved.

[MechWarrior3671771]

"It is also not incompatible or contrary with calling out the position of shut down mechs and reporting them after the match is over."

Yah it is contrary. Calling out positions, regardless of whether they are violating the TOS, is itself a violation of the TOS and is Team Treason.

Reporting them after match is ended is not.

[Ghogiel]

Fenrisulvyn, on 19 June 2015 - 01:49 PM, said:

"It is also not incompatible or contrary with calling out the position of shut down mechs and reporting them after the match is over."

Yah it is contrary. Calling out positions, regardless of whether they are violating the TOS, is itself a violation of the TOS and is Team Treason.

Reporting them after match is ended is not.

The proper thing to do etc and indeed is an affirmation of the same thing lol.

[MechWarrior3671771]

"The proper thing to do is to not shoot the suspect, let the police handle it"

"Indeed. imo It's faster to shoot the suspect and let the police sort it out later"


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[Ghogiel]

Fenrisulvyn, on 19 June 2015 - 02:01 PM, said:

"The proper thing to do is to not shoot the suspect, let the police handle it"

"Indeed. imo It's faster to shoot the suspect and let the police sort it out later"


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Fallacy

[Gas Guzzler]

stjobe, on 19 June 2015 - 12:31 PM, said:

I guess that would be an issue if you had just the one 'mech and there were no trial 'mechs available.

Since that's seldom the case, the problem is still with you, not the guy trying to play the game in a way you don't approve of.

I don't want to play another mech I want to level the mech I was just playing.

If it looks like he is trying to win that's fine, but lets be honest, if you are the last mech alive and you have a lurm heavy build there is a good chance like 98% you are going to lose. That being said, I don't report positions, I just heckle the person in team chat if it seems like they are wasting time with no intent of trying to win.

[Kira Onime]

What the **** is "hidding with honor".

[ScarecrowES]

I've rarely seen matches with a lone friendly against several enemies end in victory for our side. Unless there's a good chance you'll be able to overcome these longshot odds and come away victorious, I think it's better just to suck it up and wade into battle. Hiding is NEVER acceptable when you're the last mech alive on your team.

There are 24 players in each match. Every one of them has a right to a fair game and the opportunity to be successful and have fun. Prolonging a loss serves no benefit to the other 23 players on the team, and is incredibly selfish.

I agree with many of the comments here that 2 wrongs don't make a right. Violating the ToS to report a malingerer to the enemy team is not really the "acceptable" response to said malingering. However, I DO believe it is the APPROPRIATE response. I'm a firm believer that people tend to learn acceptable behavior through interaction and correction by their community. Thus, when your own team is calling you out for doing something - especially if that something could be said to be potentially "beneficial" to team members - you should take that as a sign that what you are doing is REALLY not ok.

It's the same thing with friendly fire. You shoot a teammate in the back a few times, he turns and kills you outright - you can complain all you want about the fact he TK'ed you, but really it was your own fault. If you merely come to the forums to complain about teamkilling, you missed the lesson of your little tiff. The lesson you should have learned was to be more careful about where and how you shoot.

The lesson you should be learning NOW is that it's not acceptable to avoid combat if you're the last man standing. There are 23 other people in the match that won't take kindly to it, and there are some who might call you out for it.

[Zensei]

If they only have 1 mech in their dropship then it would be OK to rat out your coordinates for wasting their time. Otherwise it could be a tactic.

I usually think of it as ******* angst and since their Mom cant do anything about it.

It's whine time. Otherwise its a perfectly accepted tactic if you are engaged in the game. Mostly ******* angst though. The edited word is a child who has not yet reached adulthood. lol nice filters

Edited by Zensei, 19 June 2015 - 02:29 PM.

[Ragtag soldier]

you ****** up.

you should have said ambush instead of hide, as you gave your team reasonable suspicion to believe you were trying to run out the match timer. next time pick your words carefully.

[oldradagast]

Lol... I was in that match, and while I didn't actually call out his coordinates, let's review a few facts that were conveniently omitted by our brave OP:

1) Lunatic spent the entire pre-match order shuffling people around between lances like somebody playing 3-card Monty. There was no reason given for this, and if you start a match by pissing everyone off, don't expect them to be kind to you later on.

2) Lunatic ends up the last man left and immediately hides and powers down, making a big show about how he was "going to fight them" over and over again. Except when I could HEAR THE ENEMY FOOTSTEPS approaching while spectating, he just sat there, doing nothing. And the enemies then killed him without him even powering up or getting another shot off.

Next time, tell the whole story - particularly the part when you ticked off your whole team by playing "shuffle the lances around because I'm a funny guy!" - and thus earned whatever abuse they gave you later for hiding.

Edited by oldradagast, 19 June 2015 - 02:35 PM.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Rules are if you have engaged the enemy you can use any tactic after which means powering down. Idiots like to think they can read minds or know your strategy. Better they think you have some obligation to inform the dead of your intent..

Just screen shot and report it. Just had a mech on the other team who killed me earlier be last man. He was maneuvering for a ranged attack it seems while his teammates gave away position, direction of travel, loadout and amount of damage. It was a clown who I see a lot and posts here on the forums. I was angry witnessing that and players on my team told him to shut up.

3 against 1 so the dude had every possibility of turning the match. Just disgusting behavior. Bannable too.

Ragtag soldier, on 19 June 2015 - 02:29 PM, said:

you ****** up.

you should have said ambush instead of hide, as you gave your team reasonable suspicion to believe you were trying to run out the match timer. next time pick your words carefully.

He has no responsibility to inform the team. The isn't any you were all dead. Use some common sense.