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[Soy]

People who report for this sort of stuff should not even be playing games on their computer with other people online, period.

If anyone feels compelled to report some guy cuz he's sitting weaponless hiding but still active, well then, I feel compelled to suggest said complainer's ADD is overpowering their ability to not be a huge douche bag, so.

Stand up, grab another beer, do some squat thrusts, something productive for 90 seconds while you wait out the round. Orrrrrrr you could be like all the rest of the players with brains and exit out and grab another mech.

For all the "doom and gloom" about this game, do you really think reporting people and trying to remove them from the game is helpful if they simply power done to preserve a trivial decimal on their K:D? Move on grab another mech n drop if it bugs you............

Edited by Soy, 27 June 2015 - 02:20 PM.

[Soy]

...better yet, type out a couple semi-rageous things in chat and amuse yourself that way. Call the powered done guy a eunich, that's always fun.

[ScarecrowES]

Alan Davion, on 27 June 2015 - 02:12 PM, said:

Wrong again.

If you have participated in the match, from the start, then you have fulfilled the ToS.

If you joined the match and immediately powered down/disconnected or ran out of bounds, then you have violated ToS.

It's really painfully simple.

What you said is not explicitly stated in the ToS. You're interpreting something that is not in the "letter of the law." The rule does explicitly state that non-participation is a violation. It doesn't say at what point non-participation becomes a violation, thus according to the rule ANY non-participation is not acceptable. Further, the modifier regarding "not in the spirit of the game" further highlights the idea that shutting down at the end of the match is a violation, such that it is not in the spirit of the game.

There is no modifier for partial participation in the language of the rule. Could I, simply, run toward the first enemy I find at the beginning of the match, fire one shot, do a little damage, then run off into a corner somewhere and shut down? According to your interpretation, I've participated in the match, yes? So not a violation? I don't think anyone would argue that this is acceptable within the ToS, even WITH your interpretation. And certainly it violates the letter regarding both non-participation and not playing in the spirit of the game.

So for the OP:

Strictly speaking, shutting down at any point in the match in such a way that it has no strategic value toward a potential win on your side is a violation of the ToS. Will anything happen to you if someone decides to report you? Probably not. PGI has bigger fish to fry. But you'll be trolling 23 other players who probably won't take kindly to it. Just don't be THAT guy.

[MechaBattler]

Kyra Legion, on 27 June 2015 - 11:24 AM, said:

Had a idiot telling me thet he will report me for not following TOS in game when I only have one leg and no weapons so I did power down as I was hiding when I was the last in the game. So where do that show that I violence the TOS.

Thank Kyra

I don't think it's a violation.

It's simply bad form. Unless you stand to win by points on conquest. All you are doing is delaying the end of the match and keeping the mechs stuck in that match. I don't believe you lose anything for losing. Unlike in World of Tanks where if your crew survives the match, they get more experience, I don't believe that's the case with this game.

You're also bringing shame to the Republic. :3

Edited by MechaBattler, 27 June 2015 - 02:48 PM.

[Alan Davion]

ScarecrowES, on 27 June 2015 - 02:41 PM, said:

So for the OP:

Strictly speaking, shutting down at any point in the match in such a way that it has no strategic value toward a potential win on your side is a violation of the ToS. Will anything happen to you if someone decides to report you? Probably not. PGI has bigger fish to fry. But you'll be trolling 23 other players who probably won't take kindly to it. Just don't be THAT guy.

Let's focus on this part right here.

Kyra has said that they had been legged, was completely weaponless, and was the last person on the team. Therefore, it is an acceptable strategic move to hide somewhere and power down, provided that their team was ahead. Game mode and map were not given so it is hard to say for sure whether or not there is a violation.

If playing Conquest for example, and Kyra's team was higher on resource points, it is in all likelihood acceptable to hide and let the points accrue. Depending on how far ahead they were, and how many enemies were left, this could provide a win for Kyra's team.

Assault/Skirmish, it depends on how far into the game it was, i.e. how many seconds left on the clock.

I'm going to, for the moment and until proven otherwise, assume Kyra was playing conquest as that's the only game mode where this would be acceptable to provide a win for the team.

[Mystere]

Kyra Legion, on 27 June 2015 - 11:24 AM, said:

Had a idiot telling me thet he will report me for not following TOS in game when I only have one leg and no weapons so I did power down as I was hiding when I was the last in the game. So where do that show that I violence the TOS.

Thank Kyra

Kyra, don't listen to some of these people. They're just extremely salty that you had the gall to refuse handing yourself over on a silver platter just so they can fatten their KDR and farm a free kill for almighty c-bills.

I suggest you just ignore them. I most certainly do. You'll be fine and in fact be better off.

Edited by Mystere, 27 June 2015 - 03:10 PM.

[TWIAFU]

Alan Davion, on 27 June 2015 - 12:57 PM, said:

Wow, nice jump to conclusions there bud. It's people like you that are likely the source of the problem with all this crap.

Kyra did, as far as I can tell, nothing wrong, as they participated in the game to the point of being rendered legged and zombified, so whoever this joker was doesn't have a leg to stand on with regards to ToS violations.

Try again and go read it this time.

Read it slowly. Notice none of the stipulations you claim there are.

No examples, just clear cut English. People claiming exceptions are why this still goes on.

There are no exceptions.

Alan Davion, on 27 June 2015 - 02:49 PM, said:

Let's focus on this part right here.

Kyra has said that they had been legged, was completely weaponless, and was the last person on the team. Therefore, it is an acceptable strategic move to hide somewhere and power down, provided that their team was ahead. Game mode and map were not given so it is hard to say for sure whether or not there is a violation.

If playing Conquest for example, and Kyra's team was higher on resource points, it is in all likelihood acceptable to hide and let the points accrue. Depending on how far ahead they were, and how many enemies were left, this could provide a win for Kyra's team.

Assault/Skirmish, it depends on how far into the game it was, i.e. how many seconds left on the clock.

I'm going to, for the moment and until proven otherwise, assume Kyra was playing conquest as that's the only game mode where this would be acceptable to provide a win for the team.

Please be so kind as to link PGIs statement listing these as acceptable exceptions to the rule so Kyra can read them him/herself.

[Alan Davion]

TWIAFU, on 27 June 2015 - 03:28 PM, said:

Try again and go read it this time.

Read it slowly. Notice none of the stipulations you claim there are.

No examples, just clear cut English. People claiming exceptions are why this still goes on.

There are no exceptions.

Please be so kind as to link PGIs statement listing these as acceptable exceptions to the rule so Kyra can read them him/herself.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Yes, I went there.

The rules cannot be so iron-clad as you seem to think, otherwise PGI would simply take every complaint and just immediately ban the person named in them without looking over all the telemetry from the game.

And if that were the case, the player base would be 1/10th what it is right now. There has to be some degree of flexibility to the rules, and there has to be some exceptions.

[Monkey Lover]

Mystere, on 27 June 2015 - 03:10 PM, said:

Kyra, don't listen to some of these people. They're just extremely salty that you had the gall to refuse handing yourself over on a silver platter just so they can fatten their KDR and farm a free kill for almighty c-bills.

I suggest you just ignore them. I most certainly do. You'll be fine and in fact be better off.

Even pressing lock gets you cbills there is no reason to hide.

[Mystere]

Monkey Lover, on 27 June 2015 - 03:57 PM, said:

Even pressing lock gets you cbills there is no reason to hide.

Not offering myself to the enemy on a silver platter is reason enough. It's called denying the enemy the satisfaction of killing me. It's called defiance. It's called "Come and get me ... if you even can!".

Not everybody plays for precious c-bills or their even more precious KDR.

[Alan Davion]

Monkey Lover, on 27 June 2015 - 03:57 PM, said:

Even pressing lock gets you cbills there is no reason to hide.

There is if you have no way of fighting.

[omessiaho]

Mystere, on 27 June 2015 - 04:17 PM, said:

Not offering myself to the enemy on a silver platter is reason enough. It's called denying the enemy the satisfaction of killing me. It's called defiance. It's called "Come and get me ... if you even can!".

Not everybody plays for precious c-bills or their even more precious KDR.

Its called jaqing it to your KDR at the expense of everyone else's time. "Come and get me...if you can", the guy is hiding. He's not making some heroic last stand, he's doing the opposite!

[Xetelian]

You should be reported.


Hiding for 10 minutes is not acceptable.

[Mystere]

omessiaho, on 27 June 2015 - 04:40 PM, said:

Its called jaqing it to your KDR at the expense of everyone else's time. "Come and get me...if you can", the guy is hiding. He's not making some heroic last stand, he's doing the opposite!

Who made heroic last stands a requirement to playing MWO?

Equally important, what made you think I even give a rat's arse about KDR?

Edited by Mystere, 27 June 2015 - 04:47 PM.

[Monkey Lover]

Alan Davion, on 27 June 2015 - 04:27 PM, said:

There is if you have no way of fighting.

What? I just said pressing lock gets you paid and helps your team. All you need is 1 leg and a finger.

[bad arcade kitty]

Spheroid, on 27 June 2015 - 11:26 AM, said:

You were wasting everyone's time. What exactly did you hope to accomplish by hiding? You are holding people's mechs hostage while the match continues.

where it's said in the tos you have to go and die to save people's time

bzz, it's a pity nobody liked that my question and russ ignored it
we have these threads like one per day

Edited by bad arcade kitty, 27 June 2015 - 04:59 PM.

[Mystere]

Monkey Lover, on 27 June 2015 - 04:55 PM, said:

What? I just said pressing lock gets you paid and helps your team. All you need is 1 leg and a finger.

How again is the last person standing helping his 11 other dead teammates by pressing lock while legged and weaponless?

[Soy]

bad arcade kitty, on 27 June 2015 - 04:58 PM, said:

where it's said in the tos you have to go and die to save people's time

The day I let a vague statement about how I "participate" dictate whether or not I go and kill myself in front of enemies as quickly as possible, is the day I would proudly eat a ban.

Where does it end? Oh I could have won? But I killed myself for no reason? Sry guys I was just tryin to hurry things along. This isn't a ******* stop light, we're playing games.

[Alan Davion]

Xetelian, on 27 June 2015 - 04:41 PM, said:

You should be reported.

Hiding for 10 minutes is not acceptable.

You should learn to read between the lines better.

There was no mention of the time remaining in the game, although with Kyra saying he was the only one on his team still alive, there's a good chance there was no where near 10 minutes left in the game.

Seeing as it takes, minimum 2-3 minutes to get everyone into position, if it's Assault/Skirmish, and probably another 5-8 minutes of each side beating the other to a pulp.

Let's see that brings it up to 7/8-10/11 minutes elapsed.

So yeah, your math-fu needs work.

[bad arcade kitty]

if you stick in a match and your teammate hides go and dc
you have no rights over how they should play their mech

pgi should allow hegira

Edited by bad arcade kitty, 27 June 2015 - 05:27 PM.