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[Nunspa]

Nightshade24, on 01 July 2015 - 09:55 PM, said:

Using max engine, JJs, and the streaks... it will be...

1) poor selectability in where the damage goes.
2) worse DPS then IS
3) hotter
4) bigger thus easier to hit
5) chicken legs = easier to hit
etc...
Also lack of quirks. and HUGE ammo dependency...
no ecm either. no double + ams.
no ballistics.

Etc... many room of errors for being the best mech or at least light in game.

Others will have a bit of an advantage and a disadvantage over this. This does include the normal Jenner. and most likely will have T1 grade quirks or no quirks.

You do realize there is an energy boat version?

also there is a 2 missle, 2 energy version .... 2 SSRM4 and 2 ERML it will run cooler then IS Jenner and run as fast as a locust.. and have JJ... and rip other light mechs apart.

I'm also willing to say it will be the same size as the current Jenner..

[Nightshade24]

Nunspa, on 02 July 2015 - 05:30 AM, said:

You do realize there is an energy boat version?

also there is a 2 missle, 2 energy version .... 2 SSRM4 and 2 ERML it will run cooler then IS Jenner and run as fast as a locust.. and have JJ... and rip other light mechs apart.

I'm also willing to say it will be the same size as the current Jenner..

IF the same CT is the same between IS and Clan Jenner, then the side torso will be microscopic in relativity AND the arms and legs are still bigger. If the CT is bigger as it is in earlier renditions. then it has a larger overall mass where ST may be the same but the legs, arms, and CT is larger.

And with the build you proposed... it would have much less DPS then a regular Jenner. as streaks take longer to reload.

2 x SRM 4 + 4 Medium laser vs 2 x SSRM 4 + 2 ER Medium laser will provide simular heat over time BUT the jenner has superior damage in the same time and dps... ofc a 2 x Streak 2 build or a 2 x SRM 2 would have been better for the IS jenner.

In this case the jenner IIC has more range and higher alpah and speed but worse heat to damage ratio and DPS then the IS one. as well as most likely being bigger.


If you downgrade engine to have more weight for heatsinks then you lost your speed advantage . etc...

[Torchfire Katayama]

Wildstreak, on 29 June 2015 - 05:16 PM, said:

Variants
IIC - Super Oxide
IIC-2 - Super Jenner-K
IIC-3 - Super Jenner-D
IIC-A - Super Jenner-F (Early Adopter Variant)

Each carries more JJs than Jenner, 3 can use Clan Streaks, automatically go faster than any IS 35 tonner, FF & Endo built in.

Between this and the Arctic Cheetah, Bye-Bye IS Light domination?

Now the Hunchback-IIC is a whole different story.

Clan Mechs OP Thread incoming.....

But you know... PGI will just release them with **** tons of negative quirks and you now it

[Bespoke Cheese Cake]

Clan Jenner, it has lasers and missiles. So much Over Powered, Innersphere won't be able handle XL315. PGI plz fix.

[Sky Mercury]

Jenner IIC Cant even handle
https://gifsound.com...LJc0f0qSixw&s=7

#activeontheforms

[Bespoke Cheese Cake]

Skyhusky13, on 04 July 2015 - 08:04 PM, said:

Jenner IIC Cant even handle
https://gifsound.com...LJc0f0qSixw&s=7

#activeontheforms

Exactly not even an Omega could defeat Jenner IIC. Its so OP

[dragnier1]

XL315, 7 jumpjets (1/2 ton each) , 134/238 armour (1 ton clan FF approx. 39 pts) and 8 tons for weapons by default.

You'll need to strip 2-2.5 tons of stuff for armour. More if you want to increase heat sinks/weapons.

I wouldn't jump the gun calling this the best.

Edit* Oh, if you drop the engine to an XL300 you only get 1.5 tons more.

Edited by dragnier1, 04 July 2015 - 10:21 PM.

[bad arcade kitty]

Bespoke Cheese Cake, on 04 July 2015 - 08:42 PM, said:

Exactly not even an Omega could defeat Jenner IIC. Its so OP

that omega looks as locust food
with 32 kmh speed...

[Nightshade24]

bad arcade kitty, on 04 July 2015 - 10:38 PM, said:

that omega looks as locust food
with 32 kmh speed...

don't forget that even when using it's legs and torso when it turns it's still slower then an annihilator using only it's torso...

oh and there is a chance that it's own legs will stop working so you can easily get behind something with no turning abilities.

[Ace Selin]

With Clan Streak 6s this will annihilate any IS light.

Torchfire, on 02 July 2015 - 08:08 PM, said:

But you know... PGI will just release them with **** tons of negative quirks and you now it

Only way to balance them really, with the light Clan weaponry & Clan XL these will be super strong without neg quirks.

Edited by Ace Selin, 04 July 2015 - 11:31 PM.

[bad arcade kitty]

Ace Selin, on 04 July 2015 - 11:29 PM, said:

With Clan Streak 6s this will annihilate any IS light.

hahaha
it barely has 13 tons of podspace with a rather meh engine (140 kmh tweaked), 1 ssrm-6 weights 3 tons (!)
at best it can have 3 ssrm-6, cap and merely 3 tons of ammo

it's very low and will probably go down to something like firestarter

Edited by bad arcade kitty, 04 July 2015 - 11:41 PM.

[Bespoke Cheese Cake]

bad arcade kitty, on 04 July 2015 - 11:40 PM, said:

hahaha
it barely has 13 tons of podspace with a rather meh engine (140 kmh tweaked), 1 ssrm-6 weights 3 tons (!)
at best it can have 3 ssrm-6, cap and merely 3 tons of ammo

it's very low and will probably go down to something like firestarter

6 clan SP lasers, something in the range of 160km after tweak, replace some JJ's with armor. OP Jenner IIC will alpha all over your FluffStarter. We are Doomed by da Wubz.

[Xoco]

Firelizard, on 29 June 2015 - 10:22 AM, said:

Chicken-legged Jenner?

...

As the psychotic lagomorph once said, 'I'll buy ten!'

I'm in love.

[bad arcade kitty]

Bespoke Cheese Cake, on 05 July 2015 - 01:57 AM, said:

6 clan SP lasers, something in the range of 160km after tweak, replace some JJ's with armor. OP Jenner IIC will alpha all over your FluffStarter. We are Doomed by da Wubz.

well, ace selin is scared of streaks

the most viable streakjenner it will probably be 4 ssrm-4 which is worse but lighter than 3 ssrm-6 and as for the efficiency of 3 ssrm-6... are you scared of adder with 4 ssrm-6? it's vicious but... not that vicious

[Bespoke Cheese Cake]

bad arcade kitty, on 05 July 2015 - 06:40 AM, said:

well, ace selin is scared of streaks

the most viable streakjenner it will probably be 4 ssrm-4 which is worse but lighter than 3 ssrm-6 and as for the efficiency of 3 ssrm-6... are you scared of adder with 4 ssrm-6? it's vicious but... not that vicious

But OP Jenner IIC wants you to think that! So when you are ambushed by SRMs you will panic and flail about like a crazy person, because you can't handle all that rocket vomit. OP clan Jenner will make you pee your pants because it is so unstoppable. No one will be safe from the Jenner IIC's gaze of laser and rocket doom.





















I really hope someone picks up on the joke.

Edited by Bespoke Cheese Cake, 06 July 2015 - 03:03 AM.

[Nightshade24]

Ace Selin, on 04 July 2015 - 11:29 PM, said:

With Clan Streak 6s this will annihilate any IS light.

Only way to balance them really, with the light Clan weaponry & Clan XL these will be super strong without neg quirks.

Clan streak to normal IS streak. (guesstimate for IS SSRM 4 and SSRM 6)...

Clan : IS
low velocity : higher velocity
long reload : short reload
long range : short range

in detail what this means:

Much easier to avoid, roll armour, or AMS chews threw a lot of it : harder to avoid, harder to take out with AMS
Takes much longer to reload so MUCH less DPS : fast reload thus fast dps.
Can hit people further away (but extreme travel time) : hits people as far as normal SRM with normal travel time.

SSRM 6 is useless. you can barely use it when boating when you have 5 or more and even though the Jenner IIC could do 5, it would need to be slower then a Jenner, no jumpjets, and nearly no ammo.

The IS jenner would be superior in a 1 vs 1 fight if 1 is the oxide with 4 SSRM 2's and the other is the Jenner IIC with 2 to 3 SSRM 6's.

Also there are talks of going back to the jenner oxide to make it have 5 to 6M hardpoints like it originally did:

Edited by Nightshade24, 06 July 2015 - 05:26 PM.

[Arctcwolf]

radar deprivation will be a requirement on this mech due to lack of ECM. no need to play with 9 JJ's. stick with the 7 JJ variants. run dual ER LL, 4x ER Sml, and a Narc. use the speed to run in, tag a few enemy mechs for ur buddies, then get out to max range and snipe with the lasers.

[Kaldrenborn]

Moldur, on 01 July 2015 - 01:34 PM, said:

It's likely that not everyone is going to max out the Streak boating. Many people will probably sacrifice some missiles for TAG and a laser, or else It's going to be completely and utterly SOL against ECM.

These aren't omnimechs. You won't be able to swap hardpoints.

EDIT: A BAP will cure most of the ECM issue.

Edited by DustyHardtail, 23 July 2015 - 11:24 PM.

[Wildstreak]

Nightshade24, on 06 July 2015 - 05:26 PM, said:

Also there are talks of going back to the jenner oxide to make it have 5 to 6M hardpoints like it originally did:

There is no reason for the Oxide to get more Missile hardpoints.

Jenner-IIC can go with smaller Streaks for shorter Cooldowns plus Cooldown Module, could even mix Streaks and non-Streaks. Splat-IIC?

[Mad Ox]

Was a killer in Battletech hope it translates over well.