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[Hades Trooper]

Repasy, on 01 July 2015 - 08:29 AM, said:

Waa. Waa. Waa.



Waaaaaaa.




The way I see it, I'm helping support an awesome game every time I buy a mech pack.

I bought that silly $40 urbie pack. That's a lot of money to spend on a light that by most opinions SUCKS outside of TT games, but I bought it anyways. It certainly was NOT for the purpose of 'lording' over people, but because when I saw it I was like "Holy $#@! I love this new content they've been releasing this year so f it, I'm buying this $#@! mech!"



Come on now, listen to Jay-Jay or u be cray-cray!

sorry i bought the packs so hows that me going waaaaaa?

all i see is another self entitled lacking of common sense person who read something but couldn't understand what was written and now is posting in a manner that only shows how little they know anything.

I've bought the founders [pack, the full wave 1 and 2 packs, the reistance packs, etc.

How haven't i helped this game?

I"m sorry i'm suppose to just be a cash cow than actually discuss and consider then facts at hand than hiding my head in the sand everyone else it seems who buys packs and saving it's fair i paid $$S i should be able to lord over people

[Damien Tokala]

He's also completely missed my previous answer during his rage filled keyboard smash fest.

[Peter2k]

Well before this thread gets closed

Since IGP isn't around any more we do have more events that cater to those without time; trying to get a high score to get some "free" stuff
And those that don't have money to spent on silly digital things
It's those events where you have to earn 30 points and then get rewarded stuff; MC, C-Bills, MECH bays
Mech bays are on sale sometimes, could buy some more for the free MC, or from the LFG events 500MC
Those were all rather easy events
And numerous

All you gotta do is keep updated on the events
I read my E-Mail, others don't?

I know it's grindy, or pay up, but how does it fare to other free to play games?
Or would people prefer to pay a monthly rate?

Still love my timber after all the quirks, in honesty I don't even look at quirks any more

I don't know, cool stories bro
Just as cool as a 80$ monocle
Or a 1000$ ship, with life long insurance if it gets destroyed or stolen; but not for non standard equipment on it

[Poisoner]

So far not spending money on anything but MC, clans 1 and 2, and founders has had no effect on me. And I bought wave 1 and two earlier this year.

[Damien Tokala]

Also, how many keyboards do you go through?

Genuine curiosity.

[Hades Trooper]

JohnnyWayne, on 01 July 2015 - 08:35 AM, said:

So mechs with broken CT hitboxes are pay to win now? Intresting. Tell me more...

OMG how dumb so many of you can be.

Its not a matter of comparing flarkin mechs fro gos sake it's about the concept of paying to get early access as a feature of a product than putting in real value.

If you say early access part of the value of the pack, there you just subscribing to the mentality that free to play players are there to be the meat in the sandwich that u get to chew on.

Remove early access from the packs, release mechs at the same time or very close after and u get rid of the pay 4 power and P2W mantras.


I've bought the packs i've been there i've lorded it over people, just now i've seen what the real meaning behind the packs is and sooner or later you have to wake up to the truth.


If mech packs had value, then if u released them for purcahase when there sold for c-bills then there shoulnd't be any drop in sales.

If they do drop in sales then that means the product regardless wether if the mechs are OP or not, are being placed behind a paywall and the product isn't being sold on it's own merits but the forseen value in getting an early access to mechs which is going to give them a leg up which in turn fuels the P2W and P4P mentality.

Now i'm sorry if thats been hard for you people to understand but anyone who's willing to discuss the matter than please put your pov across and we exchange povs.

Those who keep saying i'm crying, you should support the game, your bloody morons who just fire up and white knight whenever u hear someone speak up about MWO.

Your like a mob of bloody savages with pitchforks. Burn the heretic he spoke up about paywalls, and wanting real value in a pack to continue spending his money.

what you mean he spends money and isn't some cash crap free loader that i assumed he was cause he was breaking the code of silence that is behind the paywall?

OMG my blanket statement how anyone who speaks up is a cheap sake, free loader isn't true? omg how will i live with actually having to come up with a opposing pov? i know i'll compare mechs and start off on a tangent thats completely unrelated or we just could label him as a P2W- sympathizer

[Hit the Deck]

Damien Tokala, on 01 July 2015 - 08:04 AM, said:

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People are lying to themselves if they think jump jets do anything for the executioner

Wat? You have EXEs and you think this is not good?

[Damien Tokala]

Hit the Deck, on 01 July 2015 - 09:00 AM, said:

Wat? You have EXEs and you think this is not good?

Sadly, yes. I'm greatly disappointed about the only pods with missiles, are locked on a 4th variant not to be released till god knows when.

Nah I kid, I actually think the executioner is God awful for heat management, and very pitiful damage for an assault.

MASC is nothing amazing either, with its parkinsons inspired reticle

[Ultimax]

Damien Tokala, on 01 July 2015 - 07:53 AM, said:

There's nothing the ebon can do, that a Jager can not.

Things the Ebon Jaguar can do that the Jager can not.

1) Run Dual Gauss, move at 89kph and not die from loss of a side torso.

2) Run Gauss + a 42 point laser alpha at 450m range, while travelling at 89kph and...not die from loss of a side torso.

3) Change it's hardpoints and their location, in the mechlab.

4) Build a full laser boat load out for a 61point alpha at 450m range, with 20+ DHS. While traveling at 89kph.

Edited by Ultimatum X, 01 July 2015 - 09:06 AM.

[Hades Trooper]

Alan Davion, on 01 July 2015 - 08:39 AM, said:

It's a word being used to attack and/or insult a person and/or multiple persons. The fact that you are using the word correctly is irrelevant, as I'm quite certain the forums have rules against such conduct.

So go ahead and keep throwing it around, you're only inviting the trouble that will eventually reach you. I tried warning you, and you were having none of it.

I bid you good day sir, and may god have mercy on your soul.

Aren't you the pompus arse. how is describing someones thoughts as an attack or an insult. it was stupid comment so i said so.

those pompus arses who say shite like u do with the i bid you a good day sir, and may god have mercy on your soul.

Sorry i'm offended, where do u get off trying to push your religion upon me? Even if you where a true christian that you obvious aren't, you wouldn't have taken such an aggressive tone yourself, you would have been willing to discuss a different pov, instead you try resorting to the high moral ground as you lack any creditable response.

If you where such a charitable religious person you wouldn't have started with the attacks and now this stance about words, omg. go find someone else to pretend your a decent person too and stop posting in the thread. You only sound like a pompus arse by doing so and trying to take a high moral ground when you can't even talk about the topic being put forward

[Revis Volek]

mogs01gt, on 01 July 2015 - 07:54 AM, said:

umm no.

The only way you get freebies is if you have already spent real money that year and if you are successful in every tournament/event. Example: I could have been #1 on the Gray Death list but didnt have the time to play.

In MWO, time=money. It takes hours upon hours just to purchase a single mech with Cbills and that isnt even possible if you dont have the mech bay available.


To help this issues with wasting Cbills to level mechs, a rental program should be created.

I guess you dont play CW much....

They give out Mech bays, GXP, MC, Cockpit items and much, much more every day for.....


FREE!

Wasting Cbills to level mechs? This is new to me...i didnt know i could spend cbill to skill my mechs (because you cant)


To the OP,

I have a questions, where has PGI stated that they "added value" with the early access thing? It would still cost you the same money if you bought them early or after they were dropped. So you are creating a false argument a bit here.

PGI has never (to my knowledge) claimed there was any extra value in owning the mechs early it just support PGI and MWO. I know we see that as a argument to the p2w crowd here on the forums but thats the forums PGI hates this place and avoids it like the plague.

So again, i may be wrong but where did PGI say there was EXTRA VALUE in buying them early? Because i have never seen that, its only worth as much as YOU think its worth....which is why some of us just wait until they come out for free.


Also, Ignoring the trolls would get you better replies here, and being nice to those who may have a hard time with semantics or debate would also net you some better replies and more people in here.

No one wants to come read 5 pages of flame war with you and some goons.

Edited by DarthRevis, 01 July 2015 - 09:18 AM.

[Hades Trooper]

Peter2k, on 01 July 2015 - 08:55 AM, said:

Well before this thread gets closed

Since IGP isn't around any more we do have more events that cater to those without time; trying to get a high score to get some "free" stuff
And those that don't have money to spent on silly digital things
It's those events where you have to earn 30 points and then get rewarded stuff; MC, C-Bills, MECH bays
Mech bays are on sale sometimes, could buy some more for the free MC, or from the LFG events 500MC
Those were all rather easy events
And numerous

All you gotta do is keep updated on the events
I read my E-Mail, others don't?

I know it's grindy, or pay up, but how does it fare to other free to play games?
Or would people prefer to pay a monthly rate?

Still love my timber after all the quirks, in honesty I don't even look at quirks any more

I don't know, cool stories bro
Just as cool as a 80$ monocle
Or a 1000$ ship, with life long insurance if it gets destroyed or stolen; but not for non standard equipment on it

oh i agree peter2k.

I'm just saying, as i was reading another thread about player retention. The paywall. I know it's there, i've paid it.

I just wish people would own up to what it is. The value most people see in the packs is the early access.

What does that say about a game where you can pay to get early access is a major feature of a pack, rather than say extra bonuses and incentitives to sell a product?

If the game is going to be like this then so be it but i think some ownership is needed of the issue and that is, you get an advantage with early access. To think otherwise is to have your head in the sand.

What other means could we do to remove this? 1st responder said. How about release mechs for c-bills the same day but for a higher than normal c-bill cost. Then there is no paywall and if those packs are such value they should still sell.

If they didn't, it would be cause people don't see any advantage now as there still getting all the shinies.

Basically i can't find the word right now, but there is a economic train of thought something is is of higher value if other don't have it. An that coulnd also be the marketing train of thought in the early access, but call my cynical but from my pov it's the advantage they feel it's gonna give them even if the mech isn't OP

Poisoner, on 01 July 2015 - 08:56 AM, said:

So far not spending money on anything but MC, clans 1 and 2, and founders has had no effect on me. And I bought wave 1 and two earlier this year.

It mightn't have an effect on you but what about others who do?

do u feel for them?

do you think there's a better method we can use?

How big of a drop in early purchases would there be if people only got extra value in items, prem time or such but they where released for c-bills the same day as for MC or $$$

Hobo Dan, on 01 July 2015 - 08:41 AM, said:

Wait... wut?

Yes summoners, some mechs just call to players and what people can do in timbers i do in a Summoner.

Power to the Summoner baby!

[Revis Volek]

I would not be against them being released for MC the same day, but not Cbills...

[Peter2k]

Hades Trooper, on 01 July 2015 - 09:18 AM, said:

How big of a drop in early purchases would there be if people only got extra value in items, prem time or such but they where released for c-bills the same day as for MC or $$$

people need to stop asking and peskering as much as they can for the next mech release, they come anyway, sooner or later
I'm sure it looks to Russ all people want is more quirkening and more mechs that people have fond memories of

Damien Tokala, on 01 July 2015 - 09:04 AM, said:

MASC is nothing amazing either

I honestly think it's not worth the weight, I'd rather take some more guns
I'm having more fun in my Warhawk

though the implementation is nice

[Hades Trooper]

Damien Tokala, on 01 July 2015 - 08:42 AM, said:

I highly doubt anyone wants to attempt a discussion with you after you run around calling people morons and pissing over anyone else's point of view that doesn't match with yours.

Like I said before, go play with your toys, silly smoke jaguar kitten.

And you keep coming back for more?

i'm sorry but not everyone is a ************ yank who've all worried about how little billy is gonna take when someone uses a word he's doesn't like.

perhaps if you QQ mnore to say the oxford dictionary they will take it out for you. Now go cry to someone who cares, have u got something to add to the thread? oh wait your posting off topic, again how unusual and still trying to make attacks by calling me a kitten.

omg come out and act like you own a set of balls or just go **** off, don't have time for fools like you really, go bother someone else with your whiny arse little {Dezgra} complaints.

no one is forcing you to read this thread, but yet u still do. and yet u say goodbye each time, perhaps u should read the definition of the word and use it correctly.

Now back to discussion.

I swear to god at times, keeping a thread on track is like herding cats.

[Damien Tokala]

Not once have I said I was leaving. I'm rather enjoying this.

You also never told me. How many keyboards you go through in a day. I'm gonna guess.... 42

[XX Sulla XX]

Come on guys we have Cbill Dire Wolves, Timber Wolves, Storm Crows, Hellbringers, Firestarters, Thunderbolts, Wolverines etc etc etc. You are fine with Cbill mechs. And we have no idea how they are going to try and balance IIC mechs yet. Nor do we even know what the over all rebalancing will look like. This game is far from pay for anything except early access to new mechs.

[Repasy Cooper]

Hades Trooper, on 01 July 2015 - 08:49 AM, said:

sorry i bought the packs so hows that me going waaaaaa?

all i see is another self entitled lacking of common sense person who read something but couldn't understand what was written and now is posting in a manner that only shows how little they know anything.

I've bought the founders [pack, the full wave 1 and 2 packs, the reistance packs, etc.

How haven't i helped this game?

I"m sorry i'm suppose to just be a cash cow than actually discuss and consider then facts at hand than hiding my head in the sand everyone else it seems who buys packs and saving it's fair i paid $$S i should be able to lord over people

How am I being self-entitled? I regret replying to this thread because honestly your posts haven't really contributed anything of value to this topic (that you started... kind of sad).

What facts are there to consider? It's extremely straight-forward what PGI is doing. They're developing a ftp game, but they need money to develop said ftp game. They do not want this game to become like every other P2W game out there (they have been very vocal of that from the get-go), but they still need to sell stuff for real money. So, rather than release OP equipment to the paying-only customers, they give the paying customers early access, decals, vanity objects, ability to buy more mechbays and earn C-bills faster, and access to select unique variants (UNIQUE, not OP). Yes, you 'Pay 4 Power', the same power that everyone else can buy with free C-bills. But you get it quicker & easier. They need an incentive for people to support this game after all, you don't just 'donate' to a game...

Why does that business model require wall-of-text ranting about... you know I don't even know what you're ranting about. In fact I really do apologize if I misunderstood completely what you were trying to convey, but it would be darned easier if you had paid attention in grammar school. Jeesh!

[Hades Trooper]

Damien Tokala, on 01 July 2015 - 08:46 AM, said:

Easy, your initial argument is, as you state, "pay 4 power" which, is of course, easily disputed by my argument when I tell you that any of these above mentioned mechs, and more, can do the same thing that the only two NON CBILL READY MECHS can do, with the exception of MASC.

or do you not comprehend that?

OMG how plainly do i have to make it, you post was pointless.

I'm not talking about the value of mechs or which is flarkin better do this compute in your brain?

Pay 4 Power is a slight variation on P2W.

when your talking about this tissue it's not well on this wave there wheren't but in this wave there where thing, do you understand?

It's the perception people get who don't play the game or dabble in it and then leave thats at hand.

This all boils down to player retention and anyone with half a brain understand almost all F2P games rely on a few whales to fund the game and minnows makes up the rest of the player base and give it substance.

I'm seeing the minnows leave on mass and when u catch up and say hey m8, you don't mwo, why is that, they 90% of the time say it's the paywall.

They have an issue with mechs like the timberwolf that came out and where obviously so OP but nothing was done about it till many months AFTER they had come out for c-bills.

Thus what there getting at is for a game there trying out to see if they like, why do they want to plonk $30 down for 1 chassis and be forced to take the smallest chassis there is when they can get a whole game on steam for $30 or less.

So with steam release in sight which is september/october if u read the town hall meeting, we need to make this forseen issue taken care of.


so for all of you who think i'm trying to bring the game down, then your poorly informed, i love MWO i have for many years in there format and previous ones. I just want the game to get better and with the current retention rate we need to do something and this paywall issue is the white elephant in the room no one is willing to touch.

So instead of another rant i miss out thread.

I"m saying hey i have gotten the early access and i gotta agree from the new player pov i can understand why they see it as a paywall and for a free to play game $30-120 for 1 pack is a lot of money.

So whats wrong with making this paywall disappear and getting PGI to put value in packs so those who want to support the game and like shinies, i know i do =), can still get them, we just like everyone else get the mechs at the same time.

IDK about the rest of you but i'm not that greedy to say thats a reasonable change in how we could do things.

so anyone else with something worth contributing or should we continue the witch hunt and burn the heretic at the stake for being willing to see others peoples pov and respect there wishes?

i know some of you will take that last sentence had to believe but anyone in my threads even if there pov is different to mine but contribute i give a like. but if u act like a dicke or an elitist snob, or a whale screw the minnows, then sorry i'll speak up.

Just cause i'm getting the good side doesn't mean i can't undferstand the minnows pov at least and being willing to change. are any of you? or are u still entitled by your rl $$$?

[Damien Tokala]

Bang bang bang goes the keyboard...