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[Bishop Steiner]

Yes, dynamic weapons geometry SHOULD be a nice thing. Something that adds immersion and a feeling of ownership to the unique variants you can whip up in the mechlab.

And ye, time and again, PGI gives us Nipple PPCs, Red Ryder BB Gun Autocannons, and little flat Doorbell Lasers. (Missiles..... can't even think of some not so witty thing to label them with atm, sorry).

This is a Giant, Stompy Space Robot Game. Mind you, there is zero logical combat application to said giant stompy robots. We almost certainly all, got into them because they LOOKED FREAKING COOL. Big Robots, BIG GUNS.

Now we aren't having to talk Crazy Gundam Swords and Final Fantasy oversize weapons. But ones that looks proportionate and pleasing, should not be that hard.




These Hardpoints look like an Accountant designed them, not anyone with one ounce of artistic sensibilities.

Example, AWS-8Q as we are getting it:

AWS-8Q that we COULD have gotten


or for comparison sake, how the M1A1 Abrams would look, as designed by PGI


Yes, I know some of the Denizens of Mount TryHard, will dismiss it, as it has no real in game impact on Uberplay. And perhaps that is what this is PGI trying to get the last of us holdouts to cave in and imply embrace Sword and Board Meta LegoMechs. Because only a blind person would drive any of these for their Aesthetics.

It's so dang disappointing to see a patch that is so chock full of apparently great in game fixes and a such, get saddled with such a horrible job of visual customization. Doubly so when it's nothing new, people have been blowing up PGI about this since the VERY FIRST visual customization pass!!!!

Dang it PGI!!!! Hire someone to do some visual QA over this stuff!!! Heck, I'll do it for freaking FREE. But stop shooting yourself in the foot with these ludicrously bad, undersized and generic looking weapon passes. Please? (see, I asked nicely?)

*Edit (just for you Escef)


Happy now?

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 07 July 2015 - 07:59 AM.

[Lyoto Machida]

Maybe they want you to buy newer, less aesthetically displeasing mechs?

[reign]

Yup they are a bit undersized. At least you are not asking for them higher on the mech.

Edited by reign, 07 July 2015 - 07:17 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Lyoto Machida, on 07 July 2015 - 07:15 AM, said:

Maybe they want you to buy newer, less aesthetically displeasing mechs?

so that they can find a way to ruin them later, too?

reign, on 07 July 2015 - 07:16 AM, said:

Yup they are a bit undersized. At least you are not asking for them higher on the mech.

Look, the last thing I want to do is push everything into a peektart meta. Some mechs have low hardpoints. Does it make sense? Not really, but then, neither do battlemechs in the first place.

Mecha are awesome because they LOOK awesome, not because they are remotely logical or sensible.

[Bishop Steiner]

And apparently I have pissed the boss off on Twitter. Well.... any reaction is a good thing, I hope.

[Escef]

Bloody hell, Bishop. You have an easier time bending Russ's ear than most, yet you want to whine about them not listening? Holy s***, man, they listen to YOU more than most of us. You're unhappy with these results? Fine, say so. But you of all people have exactly zero business saying they don't listen.

[Malcolm Vordermark]

I made a choice long ago to not care about the Awesome. It has served me well.

[Anarcho]

I like all the new changes. Alex designs tend more to a realistic line, realistic as giant mechs can be, but still... if you guys want big unproportional weapons, any corean mmorpg can fill your void

[Bishop Steiner]

Escef, on 07 July 2015 - 07:23 AM, said:

Bloody hell, Bishop. You have an easier time bending Russ's ear than most, yet you want to whine about them not listening? Holy s***, man, they listen to YOU more than most of us. You're unhappy with these results? Fine, say so. But you of all people have exactly zero business saying they don't listen.

No, they actually don't listen to me, it's nice you have this Illusion (delusion?) of the sway I hold over PGI, but that's exactly what it is. And it's not like dozens of people have not commented on it, here and on twitter from the very beginning.

I'm sorry if you are OK with all the mechs looking like generic trash, but I'm not. I could have chosen Hawken if I wanted that.

[reign]

Bishop Steiner, on 07 July 2015 - 07:18 AM, said:

Mecha are awesome because they LOOK awesome, not because they are remotely logical or sensible.

Amen! I have 5 Barghest table top painted in different colors.. why well *sheepish* Voltron Lions

[Bishop Steiner]

Anarcho, on 07 July 2015 - 07:27 AM, said:

I like all the new changes. Alex designs tend more to a realistic line, realistic as giant mechs can be, but still... if you guys want big unproportional weapons, any corean mmorpg can fill your void

Go to the Concept Art page, then come back here and say that with a straight face, lol. And if you do, can I recommend Lasik without giving offense?

[Sarlic]

I laughed so hard at your example, Bishop.

Gg, close.

Edited by Sarlic, 07 July 2015 - 07:38 AM.

[Rhaythe]

Bishop Steiner, on 07 July 2015 - 07:30 AM, said:

Go to the Concept Art page, then come back here and say that with a straight face, lol. And if you do, can I recommend Lasik without giving offense?

It's much easier if you just stop caring, bro.

[Anjian]

Once again, PGI fails on how to implement chest weapons. Here is how it should be done.

[Rhaythe]

Anjian, on 07 July 2015 - 07:33 AM, said:

Once again, PGI fails on how to implement chest weapons. Here is how it should be done.

[zagibu]

I agree it could be even better, but it's not really bad. Compared to the hackjob that is the Catapult and the power plug arm that was on the Centurion, these new changes are lightyears ahead. I am pretty content with all changes, actually. They aren't perfect, but they are good.

I had nightmares about what they'd to to the Dragon's arm.

[Sarlic]

Bishop Steiner, on 07 July 2015 - 07:22 AM, said:

And apparently I have pissed the boss off on Twitter. Well.... any reaction is a good thing, I hope.

Perhaps if he had a good QA instead of slamming it into the wild then he would have seen less threads about it.

Which comes to the point: Brace yourselves, hotfixes today/tommorrow incoming.

Edited by Sarlic, 07 July 2015 - 07:37 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Anyhow. I'm an arts guy. I'm disappointed. It is what it is. Maybe it will get re-addressed sometime in the future. Just...rather see it done "right" (my opinion, nothing more) than have to be done twice.

Sorry Russ, if I come across as rude here. But for me, because of my love of Battletech, and admiration for the concept art Alex generates for this game, it's very easy to get....passionate.

Rhaythe, on 07 July 2015 - 07:32 AM, said:

It's much easier if you just stop caring, bro.

Working hard to improve my general apathy. American culture, media and politics, especially political correctness, have almost got me there.

[Escef]

Bishop Steiner, on 07 July 2015 - 07:28 AM, said:

No, they actually don't listen to me,...

Yes, they do.

Them not doing what you told them to do does not mean that they didn't listen.

[Water Bear]

Bishop Steiner, on 07 July 2015 - 07:22 AM, said:

And apparently I have pissed the boss off on Twitter. Well.... any reaction is a good thing, I hope.

Will it get you in trouble if you link the conversation? I don't use Twitter and I've got that morbid curiosity.