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Bishop Steiner, on 07 July 2015 - 04:22 PM, said:

And maybe people have thought those problems out. B perhaps if a20 room mech takes a gun that's almost half is mass, well it's gonna have to run the risk of that fun being a target.

Also as for bore diameter.... Anyone who knows guns knows that diameter is not a guarantee of higher power. a5.56mm bullet or a 7.62, from an assault rifle, are more powerful than 9mm or 45 cal handgun rounds.

If that's the case, I stand corrected.

[CycKath]

Lyoto Machida, on 07 July 2015 - 07:15 AM, said:

Maybe they want you to buy newer, less aesthetically displeasing mechs?

You have seen the awful tiny dynamic hardpoint style Large Laser forearms on the Mauler preview art right?

[Strum Wealh]

MischiefSC, on 07 July 2015 - 01:15 PM, said:

The Defiance J is a single 203mm field gun round. The Whirlwind is a 105mm gun that shoots 3 rounds. There are a number of other ac5 models that are more autocannon and less field gun, all classed as ac5.

So the IS designs are all the big bore single round acs and the clans have smaller bore burst fire acs.

All of which is irrelevant to the rule of cool.

Which the new tiny guns fail.

Edited to add -

The fluff swings wildly on muzzle size regardless of ac class. Again, a moot point. Tiny guns suck on big robbits.

Bishop Steiner, on 07 July 2015 - 01:37 PM, said:

source, out of curiosity? Sometimes my web fu fails.

MischiefSC, on 07 July 2015 - 01:56 PM, said:

Fluff in the TROs.

The only one I could find on sarna for the ac5, the gm whirlwind ac5. 120mm 3 rnd burst. The defiance I've seen before, if memory serves it was either the Steiner source book or one of the campaign books about Hansen's Roughriders about Defiance industries. Don't have the books now.

There are no single-shell Standard ACs in BT canon.

Nebfer, on 08 August 2013 - 05:50 PM, said:

Parden the spelling, but this is from my raw files... (txt files)

 
 
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Machineguns
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20mm Gatling			  = 20mm (TRO 3039) skorpion tank entry
M100					  = 12.7mm (leithal hearitage) -Phawk
Johnston minigun		  = 20mm (temptation by war) Ranger VV1 -discribed as caseless (ch 14)
Scattergun				= 20mm (temptation by war) DI Schmitt
22mm Gatling			  = 22mm (TRO 3075) JES 1 entry
================================
Class 2 Autocannons
================================
Whirlwind-L			   = 32mm (Binding force) BlackJack BJ-1
Whirlwind-L			   = 30mm (Threads of ambition) Blackjack BJ-1
SarLon					= 30mm (TRO 3026) Warrior VTOL
Thor RAC-2				= 40mm (TRO 3058) Warrior VTOL
Mydron Model D-rf (Ultra) = 20mm (Imminent Crisis) Jagermech III  
Mydron Model D			= 30mm (Threads of ambition) Jagermech
Defiance Shredder LBX	 = 20mm (Fortress republic) -Catapult
================================
Class 5 Autocannons
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GM Nova 5  Ultra	  = 50mm (Binding force) -cataphract
GM Nova 5  Ultra	  = 40mm (Illusions of victory) -Cataphract
GM Whirlwind		  = 120mm (Thunder ridge & Wolves on the border) -Marauder
GM Whirlwind		  = 50mm (killing field) -Marauder
Armstrong J11		 = 80mm or 90mm (Thunder ridge) -Shawdow Hawk
Imperator-A		   = 80mm (Price of Glory) -Riflemen
Whirlwind			 = 60mm (Price of glory) -Wolverine
Whirlwind			 = 90mm (Wolves on the border) -Wolverine
Imperator Ultra AC-5  = 80mm (Storms of fate) -Vulcan & Daikyu
Armstrong AC-5		= 50mm (Double blind) -Clint
Armstrong AC-5		= 105mm (TRO 3075) -Merkava Hvy Tank
Pontiac Light		 = 40mm (Illusions of victory) -Striker mech
Snake killer LAC5	 = 60mm (Battlecorps) -Shadowhawk-9D
Mydron Model RC RAC5  = 50mm (A call to arms & fortress republic) -Legionnaire & Rifleman
Mydron Tornado  RAC5  = 50mm (By Temptations and By War) -DI Schmitt
Defiance type J AC-5  = 75mm (Heir to the dragon) -Zeus 6S
================================
Class 10 Autocannons
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Luxor-D				= 80mm (Price of glory, Ghost of winter) -Centuien
Mydron Excel UAC	   = 80mm (Patriots and tyrents) -Enforcer
Mydron Excel LBX	   = 80mm (Patriots and tyrents) -Dragon Fire
Mydron Excel LBX	   = 80mm (Illusions of victory)  -Cataphract
Defiance Disintegrator?= 100mm (end game) -Banshee
Mydron Model B		 = 80mm (Flash point) -Bushwacker
Federated AC-10		= 80mm (Flash point) -Enforcer
Imperator Code Red	 = 100mm (Flashpoint) -Challenger MBT
KaliYama			   = 80mm (Illusions of victory) -Orion
Imperator Code Red	 = 80mm (Illusions of victory) -Emperor
Imperator-B			= 80mm (Warrior en Guard) Urbanmech (implyed to be similer in caliber as the Riflemen)
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Class 20 Autocannons
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Death Giver				= 100mm (Heir to the dragon) -Atlas
Pontiac 100				= 100mm (Heir to the dragon) -Victor
Armstrong				  = 120mm (binding force) -Von Luckner MBT
Chemjet					= 185mm (TRO 3026) -Demolisher I tank
Crusher SH				 = 150mm (TRO 3026) -Hetzer Assault gun (or 120mm Threads of ambition)
Defiance Thunder Ultra	 = 120mm (Patriots and Tyrants) -Blitzkrig
Defiance Disintegrator LBX = 120mm (Patriots and Tyrants) -Barghest -Illusions of victory & The Dying time as well
Kali Yama Big Bore		 = 120mm (Threads of ambition) -Thunder
Tomodzuru				  = 180mm (Era Report 3052) -Hunchback
Luxuor Devastator		  = 120mm (Storms of fate) -Typhoon UAV
Death Giver				= 120mm (Storms of Fate) -King Crab

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Unknown type
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Jagermech "500mm" AC (Double blind) -most likely a typo
Mackie 5S AC-5 = 110mm (Birth of a King)
Jagermech 7F RAC-5 = 80mm
Templar omni, Grayson config AC-5 = 40mm (Imminent Crisis)
Blackjack omni LBX-10 = 80mm

Clan
Type 9 UAC 10 = 75mm
Type 10 UAC 20 = 120mm
Type 20 UAC 20 = 200mm
Type 25 UAC 2 = 50mm
Type 31 UAC 5 = 40mm
Type Kov LBX-10 = 75 or 150mm (same book two diffrent vehicles)
Type Covr-X 40mm

Wolves on the border LRMs = 75mm catapult ch 19
Gauss rifle = 10cm -starlord ch 2
infantry HMG "spanner" 15mm (not sure where this one is from)
Shrapnel mentions HE shells, a gray death book also mentions HE rounds...
blood legacy, unknown vtol, door mounted rotary 12.7mm MG
The Dying time, jeep mg = 13mm 43 gram -recount of thunder rift (1500 RPM)
temptation by war, ryoken II MGs = 20mm (likely AC-2s, as I do not think it has MGs)
patriots stand, generic gun trucks, 20mm "Gatling" MGs
flight of the falcon, mining mech mod, twin 50 cal MGs
Their are a few more but this is most of what I found, as one can see their is a few contradictions.

Even the 185mm "Chemjet Gun" AC/20s on the Demolisher Heavy Tank each need to fire a burst of four shells (yes, four (4) 185mm shells!) to deal 20 units of damage.
Likewise, the AC/20 mounted on the Mechbuster AreoSpace Fighter (a "Zeus 75") fires a four-round burst of unstated caliber.
The AC/20 used on the Hetzer Combat Vehicle (a "Ceres Arms Crusher Super Heavy Cannon") fires a burst of ten 150mm shells.
The AC/20 on the VTR-9B Victor (a "Pontiac 100") is a 100mm weapon that fires in 100-shell bursts.
The AC/5 on the MAD-3R Marauder (a "GM Whirlwind") is a 120mm weapon - which is unusually large for the AC/5 class - that fires in three-round bursts.

Also, the "Defiance Type J" is a 75mm AC/5, as described in Heir to the Dragon; if even a 120mm cannon needs three shells to deal a mere 5 units of damage, there is no way a 75mm weapon of the same general type is doing it with a single shell.

Edited by Strum Wealh, 07 July 2015 - 10:31 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Strum Wealh, on 07 July 2015 - 10:30 PM, said:

There are no single-shell Standard ACs in BT canon.


Even the 185mm "Chemjet Gun" AC/20s on the Demolisher Heavy Tank each need to fire a burst of four shells (yes, four (4) 185mm shells!) to deal 20 units of damage.
Likewise, the AC/20 mounted on the Mechbuster AreoSpace Fighter (a "Zeus 75") fires a four-round burst of unstated caliber.
The AC/20 used on the Hetzer Combat Vehicle (a "Ceres Arms Crusher Super Heavy Cannon") fires a burst of ten 150mm shells.
The AC/20 on the VTR-9B Victor (a "Pontiac 100") is a 100mm weapon that fires in 100-shell bursts.
The AC/5 on the MAD-3R Marauder (a "GM Whirlwind") is a 120mm weapon - which is unusually large for the AC/5 class - that fires in three-round bursts.

Also, the "Defiance Type J" is a 75mm AC/5, as described in Heir to the Dragon; if even a 120mm cannon needs three shells to deal a mere 5 units of damage, there is no way a 75mm weapon of the same general type is doing it with a single shell.

2 things I either missed or might be missing
I believe the old MW 2nd Edition listed the Timber Wolf's machine guns at 20mm
And the Ebon Jag A carries a 203mm UAC-20 according to Sarna, though I am not sure of the Source, since I don't thing the caliber is given in my TRO, beyond "mammoth".

I also note Sarna lists the 185 chemjet and 203 UAC20 as probably exceptions to the burst fire, so am curious which source lists the 4 round burst on the Chemjet, as it might be worth it to update the sarna post.

Generally speaking, while not claiming "canon" or otherwise, I always allowed for both types, since it made zero gameplay difference. Usually Vehicle mounted ACs I ruled as large caliber single shots (visions of Abrams tanks with machine gun rheinmetall annoy me), Mech mounted, usually lower caliber, multishot, with a few exceptions. Personally have trouble with a 203mm cannon "vomiting" out shells the way the novels describe it, but again, that was a stylistic choice, not a canon one.

[Strum Wealh]

Bishop Steiner, on 08 July 2015 - 03:49 AM, said:

I also note Sarna lists the 185 chemjet and 203 UAC20 as probably exceptions to the burst fire, so am curious which source lists the 4 round burst on the Chemjet, as it might be worth it to update the sarna post.

It's in Era Report: 3052, on page 98.

stjobe, on 11 November 2014 - 11:52 AM, said:

(Era Report 3052, p. 98, sidebar)

"[...] the Crusher SH Cannon Autocannon (the only useful part of a Hetzer wheeled assault gun) is a completely different sort of weapon than 185mm ChemJet Guns of the fearsome Demolisher tank, because the former is a 150mm autocannon designed to fire a cassette of 10 shells while the latter is a 185mm weapon that fires a four-round cassette.

So it fires four-round bursts, according to canon lore.

Edited by Strum Wealh, 08 July 2015 - 04:06 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Strum Wealh, on 08 July 2015 - 04:05 AM, said:

It's in Era Report: 3052, on page 98.

ah the newer retconned stuff, gotcha. Thx.

And Sarna is now edited accordingly, let's see if it sticks.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 08 July 2015 - 04:17 AM.

[reign]

Yeah, but people would gravitate to the front loaded version automatically unless you made the high stream ones Hit scan.. Then I think the Server would go wonky like when a bunch of MG go off at the same time

[Wildstreak]

stjobe, on 07 July 2015 - 02:04 PM, said:

It's even worse than that. Both the CN9-A and most of the Commando variants have hardpoints showing that doesn't even exist on the arm.

CN9-A (single ballistic hardpoint RA), what's that thing under the AC barrel?

pic snipped

COM-3A (single energy LA, single energy + single missile RA), what are those things under the MLs?

pic snipped

Is it Paul's new project - Ghost Hardpoints?

Actually it is modeling issues. Doing what you and some others want seems like an easy task from your perspective but it is not. Time, workload and stress on artists, how it affects performance.

MATRAKA14, on 07 July 2015 - 03:03 PM, said:

Its funny how the old parody looks better than the actual thing ..

So far I don't mind the new Awesome except for the fin mounted Missile launcher on the Pretty Baby. I have not seen the 8T (expect it to not be bad), 8V (3 Missile in one side torso) or 9M (unsure) yet.

Carrioncrows, on 07 July 2015 - 01:43 PM, said:

Yes Thank you for that.

Pulling artists and designers away from doing "new" stuff to work on stuff that has ZERO impact in the game aside how it looks in the mech lab.

Bravo!

Its like fox news, focusing on all the wrong stuff.

I do not see it as having zero impact. This is like complaining about the redesign of River City, for the most part I like that yet we have Clan Precious Little Snowflake wanting more new maps when New River City shows why new maps should be put on hold and every older map should get a redesign.

Don't start with the Fox News comments, almost every news channel sucks in some way, this 'trending' parrot about one news channel shows some people cannot be objective and leads to more dumb statements.

Bishop Steiner, on 07 July 2015 - 01:47 PM, said:

and your posts are becoming like Donald Trump...always finding a different reason to be upset. Seriously, if there is ZERO QA for stuff being released, why do I want MORE crappy lazy new stuff.

Whatever. Time to just tune you out. All you do is complain anymore.

You either need to re-read your own siggy or remove it. Just sayin.

See what I mean? Now we have Trump comments.

Escef, on 07 July 2015 - 01:56 PM, said:

So, they DON'T listen to you and you don't have much pull, and then you say this? M'thinks you're downplaying your influence.

Actually I think the point is PGI should have never left their forums for Twitter to try and be the next Miley Cyrus.

[Bishop Steiner]

Wildstreak, on 08 July 2015 - 04:49 AM, said:

Actually it is modeling issues. Doing what you and some others want seems like an easy task from your perspective but it is not. Time, workload and stress on artists, how it affects performance.


So far I don't mind the new Awesome except for the fin mounted Missile launcher on the Pretty Baby. I have not seen the 8T (expect it to not be bad), 8V (3 Missile in one side torso) or 9M (unsure) yet.


I do not see it as having zero impact. This is like complaining about the redesign of River City, for the most part I like that yet we have Clan Precious Little Snowflake wanting more new maps when New River City shows why new maps should be put on hold and every older map should get a redesign.

Don't start with the Fox News comments, almost every news channel sucks in some way, this 'trending' parrot about one news channel shows some people cannot be objective and leads to more dumb statements.


See what I mean? Now we have Trump comments.

Seemed an appropriate escalation to the silly Fox News crap. And I agree, 99% of news is biased as heck anyhow. Anyone whose identity is glued to some political party that doesn't even know they exist, is a fool though, so whatever. (Hint, both sides are run by crooked fat cats beholden to the special interest groups that got them in power and neither side actually gives a rip about you, Joe Normal)

But I will say, Fox seems to go out of their way to be vile. I call it the Limbaugh Syndrome. Once he was a caricature, now he is the norm in political thinking. Or even on the soft side. Both Parties are just as blinded by their own rhetoric.

Ugg. Why you make me have to talk politics man? Now I need a shower.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 08 July 2015 - 04:56 AM.

[Carrioncrows]

Wildstreak, on 08 July 2015 - 04:49 AM, said:

I do not see it as having zero impact. This is like complaining about the redesign of River City, for the most part I like that yet we have Clan Precious Little Snowflake wanting more new maps when New River City shows why new maps should be put on hold and every older map should get a redesign.

I've never complained about redesign of the River City. River city redesigns have an "Actual" effect.

I am only pointing out that out of all the things that need updated (jumpjets, hitboxes, scaling, weapons, new weapons, streaks, lrms, ecm, electronic warfare, community warfare, ect ect ect ect ect) Revising how big the weapon looks on my mech in the mech lab is so far down the line of priority and impact that it is exasperating.

So yes my fox statement was probably a little harsh on bishop, but i don't feel it was inaccurate. Bishop has some sway, it's proven. He is relentless pestering of PGI staff on twitter and digital stalking skills are all top notch.

So rolling this bandwagon (with pretty pictures included) into a campaign to change something so meaningless.

Out of all MWO's issues? Problems? and lacking features...this is what you want to focus on? This?

So yeah, i'm calling shenanigans.

[Strum Wealh]

Bishop Steiner, on 08 July 2015 - 04:10 AM, said:

ah the newer retconned stuff, gotcha. Thx.

And Sarna is now edited accordingly, let's see if it sticks.

The "Multiple Targets" rule for autocannons - which states that "any type of autocannon can be 'walked' across two targets close to one another" and "an LB-X autocannon cannot fire a cluster shot at multiple targets, and Ultra Autocannons are a special case" - appeared in Maximum Tech in 1997 (and was later included in Tactical Operations in 2008), so all Standard ACs being burst-fire weapons (where it is simply assumed that all of the shells in a burst tend to land in the same general location) is not exactly a new idea.

Edited by Strum Wealh, 08 July 2015 - 02:00 PM.

[Mavairo]

Carrioncrows, on 08 July 2015 - 06:45 AM, said:

I've never complained about redesign of the River City. River city redesigns have an "Actual" effect.

I am only pointing out that out of all the things that need updated (jumpjets, hitboxes, scaling, weapons, new weapons, streaks, lrms, ecm, electronic warfare, community warfare, ect ect ect ect ect) Revising how big the weapon looks on my mech in the mech lab is so far down the line of priority and impact that it is exasperating.

So yes my fox statement was probably a little harsh on bishop, but i don't feel it was inaccurate. Bishop has some sway, it's proven. He is relentless pestering of PGI staff on twitter and digital stalking skills are all top notch.

So rolling this bandwagon (with pretty pictures included) into a campaign to change something so meaningless.

Out of all MWO's issues? Problems? and lacking features...this is what you want to focus on? This?

So yeah, i'm calling shenanigans.

They have the old mech aesthetics on file somewhere.
This just requires a roll back to fix it.

Also aesthetics and STYLE no matter how much the wannabe competitors Mt Try hard say otherwise, Aesthetics and Style, is what sells this game.
Game balance? Please. We ALL know that's a complete farce. PGI couldn't hope to get close to DOTA's balance, let alone something actually masterful like Starcraft broodwar.

Map design? Pft.

It's all about the benjamins, and this game LIVES on the fact that it's mech porn.

[Bishop Steiner]

Strum Wealh, on 08 July 2015 - 09:16 AM, said:

The "Multiple Targets" rule for autocannons - which states that "any type of autocannon can be 'walked' across two targets close to one another" and "an LB-X autocannon cannot fire a cluster shot at multiple targets, and Ultra Autocannons are a special case" - appeared in Maximum Tech in 1997 (and was later included in Tactical Operations in 2008), so all Standard ACs being burst-fire weapons (where it is simply assumed that all of the shells in a burst tend to land in the same general location) is not exactly a new idea.

Maximum Tech rules weren't even tournament legal, and appeared well over a decade AFTER the game was conceived. Not exactly bedrock.

[Strum Wealh]

Bishop Steiner, on 08 July 2015 - 02:49 PM, said:

Maximum Tech rules weren't even tournament legal, and appeared well over a decade AFTER the game was conceived. Not exactly bedrock.

And the description of AC "rounds" being cassettes containing multiple individual shells showed up in 1987's The Sword and the Dagger, the second BattleTech novel published.

Quote

Ardan ran a hurried check on his Victor's main armament The right arm Pontiac 100 autocannon had the best chance of scoring a crippling hit on the Thunderbolt, but he was afraid that his swim in the mud might have fouled its feed mechanism. The autocannon was a devastating weapon. It fired high-speed, rapid-fire streams of explosive, armor-piercing shells from cassettes or carousels fed into the gun one at a time by a complex and occasionally balky autoloader mechanism. Each cassette held 100 shells, and by a widespread but commonly accepted looseness of terminology, each cassette was itself considered to be one round. One cassette round was already loaded. Nineteen more were stored in the autoloader chamber high up in his Victor's right torso. He would have to use that single round carefully, because if the loader jammed, he would not get another chance.

Moreover, TRO 3026 (also published in 1987) indicates specific burst sizes for several AC examples, including the Mechbuster's "Zeus 75" AC/20 ("...a four-round burst of hyper-velocity depleted uranium armor penetrators (HDUAP)..."), the Hetzer's "Crusher SH Cannon" AC/20 AC/20 ("...the burst of ten hyper-velocity slugs that the Crusher fires..."), and the Warrior H-7's "SarLon AutoCannon" AC/2 ("...firing a ten-round burst of 30mm hypervelocity slugs with each pull of the trigger...").

Additionally, 1986's Decision at Thunder Rift - the first BattleTech novel - repeatedly describes 'Mech-mounted ACs as firing "long, rolling burst(s)" and "stream(s) of shells", and so on.

The Multiple Targets rules in MaxTech & TacOps merely formalized long-existing BT lore.

[Wildstreak]

Bishop Steiner, on 08 July 2015 - 04:55 AM, said:

Seemed an appropriate escalation to the silly Fox News crap. And I agree, 99% of news is biased as heck anyhow. Anyone whose identity is glued to some political party that doesn't even know they exist, is a fool though, so whatever. (Hint, both sides are run by crooked fat cats beholden to the special interest groups that got them in power and neither side actually gives a rip about you, Joe Normal)

But I will say, Fox seems to go out of their way to be vile. I call it the Limbaugh Syndrome. Once he was a caricature, now he is the norm in political thinking. Or even on the soft side. Both Parties are just as blinded by their own rhetoric.

Ugg. Why you make me have to talk politics man? Now I need a shower.

Well so do some other networks like MSNBC and Comedy Central.

Carrioncrows, on 08 July 2015 - 06:45 AM, said:

I've never complained about redesign of the River City. River city redesigns have an "Actual" effect.

I am only pointing out that out of all the things that need updated (jumpjets, hitboxes, scaling, weapons, new weapons, streaks, lrms, ecm, electronic warfare, community warfare, ect ect ect ect ect) Revising how big the weapon looks on my mech in the mech lab is so far down the line of priority and impact that it is exasperating.

So yes my fox statement was probably a little harsh on bishop, but i don't feel it was inaccurate. Bishop has some sway, it's proven. He is relentless pestering of PGI staff on twitter and digital stalking skills are all top notch.

So rolling this bandwagon (with pretty pictures included) into a campaign to change something so meaningless.

Out of all MWO's issues? Problems? and lacking features...this is what you want to focus on? This?

So yeah, i'm calling shenanigans.

I don't know if you are referring to PGI doing a pass on the Awesome or critiques of it. People will judge, it is what they do, right or wrong.

But look at what you started woth the FOX bit. Now we are talking news networks and politics. I usually reserve that for political parts of my local news site and my blog, I am still doing a write-up of part 1 on how these stupid networks have smeared my borough. Do I get to brings those points, rants and what not here?

[Bishop Steiner]

Strum Wealh, on 08 July 2015 - 05:08 PM, said:

And the description of AC "rounds" being cassettes containing multiple individual shells showed up in 1987's The Sword and the Dagger, the second BattleTech novel published.


Moreover, TRO 3026 (also published in 1987) indicates specific burst sizes for several AC examples, including the Mechbuster's "Zeus 75" AC/20 ("...a four-round burst of hyper-velocity depleted uranium armor penetrators (HDUAP)..."), the Hetzer's "Crusher SH Cannon" AC/20 AC/20 ("...the burst of ten hyper-velocity slugs that the Crusher fires..."), and the Warrior H-7's "SarLon AutoCannon" AC/2 ("...firing a ten-round burst of 30mm hypervelocity slugs with each pull of the trigger...").

Additionally, 1986's Decision at Thunder Rift - the first BattleTech novel - repeatedly describes 'Mech-mounted ACs as firing "long, rolling burst(s)" and "stream(s) of shells", and so on.

The Multiple Targets rules in MaxTech & TacOps merely formalized long-existing BT lore.

don't see where I've actually been arguing against anything you said, sparky, clench the cheeks and chillax, man!

Wildstreak, on 08 July 2015 - 05:30 PM, said:

Well so do some other networks like MSNBC and Comedy Central.


I don't know if you are referring to PGI doing a pass on the Awesome or critiques of it. People will judge, it is what they do, right or wrong.

But look at what you started woth the FOX bit. Now we are talking news networks and politics. I usually reserve that for political parts of my local news site and my blog, I am still doing a write-up of part 1 on how these stupid networks have smeared my borough. Do I get to brings those points, rants and what not here?

Eh, stick Michael Moore, Howard Stern, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and the rest of their ilk in a cargo container and drop it into the bottom of the sea, and you'd be doing wonders to help increase the average IQ of America.

They are all idiots, as are those who take their word as gospel.

[CaliburZero]

I giggled at the word "Nipple" because I am an adult. not really.

But yes-- The weapons could look more... mean.

Edited by CaliburZero, 08 July 2015 - 06:26 PM.

[Nathan Foxbane]

Right, so politics and lore based weapon functionality aside, do I like dynamic weapons? Hell, ******* yes! But sometimes it gets silly or deviates from lore a bit too much. My first big issue was the Catapult. Now, as much as I love Catapults I only run the CPLT-C1 (F) and CPLT-K2 after having mastered them. But those VCRs were atrocious, granted the meter wide laser lenses on the K2 were so awful as to be comical. I did not post much on the subject, if at all, because others were far more eloquent in doing so. The VCRs had no logical or practical reason to exist other than proof of concept. Other 'Mechs got much better treatment so I decided to sit it out and wait for the Catapult to get its turn in a review pass. Then the Clans came and I got a good look at the Timber Wolf S, suffice to say as a lore buff I was disappointed. Instead of paired SRMs in the racks similar to how the D was described in lore, we got a smaller rack plus a pair of tumors with missile ports. Do not get me started on the A not having a triangular laser configuration. If one notices I have been particularly focused on missile racks. This is because they are the biggest offender in all of this. Other than the Commando's left arm energy and ballistic/PPC scaling size dynamic weapons are good.

OK, so I was screwing around in the 'Mech lab while I wrote this and found a bug, on the CN9-AH(L) if you put an AC/5 in before an LB10-X, it does not swap positions and it looks like you have twin 5s instead of a 5 and an LB-X. This only happens with the standard AC/5 and LB10-X and only when the LB10-X is mounted in the second hardpoint.

[FireBlood]

Hopefully when the rescaling of the Awesome takes place (and at this rate it will definitely happen) all those small weapons will look big again and we can put this argument to bed.

[Strum Wealh]

FireBlood, on 08 July 2015 - 09:20 PM, said:

Hopefully when the rescaling of the Awesome takes place (and at this rate it will definitely happen) all those small weapons will look big again and we can put this argument to bed.

If the Awesome does end up being rescaled, I would expect it to end up being roughly the same size as the Zeus... in which case, I would expect that certain parties would still complain that the PPCs are somehow "too small".