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[3xnihilo]

The main reason I rarely drop CW is that I usually find myself with 30-60 minutes to play. In 60 minutes you can get 1 (maybe one match one ghost drop) CW match (from my experience). I can get a solo drop about every 7-10 minutes. So wih limited time solo que meets my needs better. I will say, though, that I have had some really fun CW drops, but I generally do not have the time to wait for them. Also, I have been playing for 1 year and as a primarily light pilot who started saving up and buying larger mechs when cw first started to get a good drop deck, I still cannot fully stock a 240t deck with fully masters/modules mechs. How a newer player could get set up to have a good experience, I do not know.

[ThirtyOughtSix]

The game is fine. CW is bad. Get over it. CW is a terribad concept for this game, would need a 100% overhaul to get me into it.

(Fight me on this comment if you will, the OPs post speaks more volumne than I do. The community hates CW)

[Inveramsay]

• It takes forever to launch a game.
  
• Chances are you will get stomped
  
• The sheer level of incompetence is staggering. It isn't too bad when someone launches in a trial in pug but when they launch with a complete deck of trials in CW you can discount that player completely
  
• One game mode that isn't all that fun
  
• No point in fighting for planets
  
• The rewards are far lower than playing the pug queue

Now why CW is near dead, take your pick from the list above. If CW paid more than pug queue did I'm pretty confident more of the solo players would pick it up but if you get stomped five times in a row because the only competition you can find is a 12 man of meta top tier player with fully mastered mechs with modules. Your team on the other hand consists of three good solos and nine people who seem to have the eye-hand coordination of a drunk toddler with about as much situational awareness. CW is a lot of fun when you get a good game going with even teams

[LordKnightFandragon]

CW is boring as hell. ITs little more then a tunnel shooter. One side gets 2 choke points, the other sideh as to force thier way in. its premades curb stomping all the time and tehre is no fun to be had.

[PlzDie]

Alan Davion, on 08 July 2015 - 09:31 AM, said:

Pretty much what I said, just more eloquently described. Good job sir.

But yeah, CW pretty much seems to be "Top-Tier Comp-Meta Territory" only these days, and you know what, I'm fine with that, but what I'm not fine with is those same players suddenly coming back here wondering why no one plays CW.

Because people like me are sick of being ROFL-stomped or spawn-camped due to the inherently broke-as-shite setup of CW. Yes the PUG queue has its own problems, but none are as bad as what CW has.

A player from a well known group, posted in all chat that "community" warfare was made for groups not for pugs, pugs need to join units or not complain for being stomped.
Mystery is also right it's not just this, rewards is seriously lacking for the time invested in playing a CW match, the waiting times alone is enough to keep people out.
And like Monkey Lover said there is no point in playing or taking planets.

[Kyp Durron]

I play because the 4 mech drop deck matches are far more interesting than pub matches. Anything else is a bonus. I'm not interested much in fighting for the planets, for me the CW matches are better.

[SkaerKrow]

Trust me, you don't want me in CW, I'm mostly crap. In fact, the whole reason why I don't CW is because I don't want to boat anchor the competitive players with my noobity.

[C E Dwyer]

Kyp Durron, on 08 July 2015 - 09:11 AM, said:

Seriously, why are the pug queues full and the CW a wasteland?

Its very easy to work out surely you know why CW is a wasteland ?

Let me explain.

1, its a hardcore place which is fair enough.

2, Pug types go there they get flattened.

3 Pug types won't join groups or use LFG, not that 12 pugs using LFG is going to change much even if they chose a leader and all use comm's (This never happens btw)

4 Hardcore players say keep out this is our turf, whenever the majority of Puggers complain about it being to hard because of reason one.

So population remains low, which has a very negative effect on CW population, but also to the hardcore players, because they fight the same people time and time again, to the point they know who will win seven times out of ten.

So people complain about low populations, and some how expect PGI to fix things, when the community is the Problem, yup you and I, its seriously not PGI's fault.

Why

well this is why

First off the hardcore crowd can't resist mocking the disorganised P.U.G players, they seem incapable of climbing down from matches that frankly are a walk in the park.

This isn't true it's a bunch of BS, some hardcore players are saying, well I hit a nine man in a pug team this morning, and three of their team couldn't keep their mouths shut.

Secondly while if enough four mans and pugs played the chances of meeting these organised groups is greatly, reduced, but none of the little groups that fancy CW are willing to stick it out long enough for the player base to stay and put up with losing, and being mocked for it, ( unless there is an event with toys and prizes) because a few hardcore teams, won't tell their more aggressive players, to shut their mouths or get out, because they want to win.


That in a nut shell is why CW has a low population

Edited by Cathy, 08 July 2015 - 09:50 AM.

[RockmachinE]

I believe the majority plays PUG and will play PUG. CW is for a small percentage of competitive players. Honestly the game would do as well or even better if the huge amount of resources that was put into CW was put into improving PUG and adding content to the game.

A huge amount of assets was invested into something that maybe 5-10% of the playerbase use. The problem with "competitive" mwo players is they believe they form the core of this games population and that they are the driving engine of this game. What they fail to notice is that they are the most vocal populus, but not at all the most vital. The lifeblood of this game is the pugs and the casuals.

Clearly its a game mode not favored by the majority and Steam will only confirm this.

Edited by Louis Brofist, 08 July 2015 - 09:53 AM.

[GRiPSViGiL]

This game is on the slow death march ever since PGI failed at creating anything viable for CW. I held on to that point but I wash my hand of this game now.

There is no long term plan other than poke`mech, which only appeals to TT people I suppose.

[stjobe]

Remember the 12-man queue and how it dried up and died?

Yeah, same story with CW.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Joseph Mallan, on 08 July 2015 - 09:37 AM, said:

I have to disagree Mei. The game does not have to be fun in every corner for me as a PUG. I like that there is a place where the groups are meant to be groups.

Unless You are of royal blood its the Mech Commands that do the work.And Jamie Wolf or Kai Allard Liao don't always pull a miracle... Well Kai...


And less organized team work.

How can you disagree with what I'm saying I'm having fun with? Lol. I think I know what I find enjoyable more than other people on here do . That's all I meant by that. I don't find it fun and I'm stating in parentheses that I'm a PUG so people know where I'm coming from.

Now as for others, hey if they enjoy CW, by all means go play it.

I'm glad there is a place for groups to have a place to compete for control of the galaxy. For now there is nothing I enjoy about CW, so I'll stick to solo queue.

Just my preference.

[Agent 0 Fortune]

That is what they said about my snow-cone stand, they said if I didn't offer something other than lemonade flavor that it would fail.
Well they were right it did fail, but I blame the customers for not buying my yellow snow-cones.

Edited by Agent 0 Fortune, 08 July 2015 - 10:10 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

MeiSooHaityu, on 08 July 2015 - 09:53 AM, said:

How can you disagree with what I'm saying I'm having fun with? Lol. I think I know what I find enjoyable more than other people on here do . That's all I meant by that. I don't find it fun and I'm stating in parentheses that I'm a PUG so people know where I'm coming from.

Now as for others, hey if they enjoy CW, by all means go play it.

I'm glad there is a place for groups to have a place to compete for control of the galaxy. For now there is nothing I enjoy about CW, so I'll stick to solo queue.

Just my preference.

I do to for the most part. But when I do drop PUG in CW I see how I stack up against coordinated teams. I am very rusty.

[CDLord HHGD]

Joseph Mallan, on 08 July 2015 - 09:37 AM, said:

And less organized team work.

Combine the two into organized L33T meta-tryhards and there's no point for someone like me who refuses to follow the meta. Now, if there was a stock mech mode, or tech tier mode, etc.....

You and I have discussed this before though. I know you like the lowest possible TTK where I like to have a chance against the laservomit (better though since the laser nerf, still too many out there imo though).

[Water Bear]

Because CW blows for PUGing. Have you actually tried it, OP?

[Rhaythe]

Group players didn't want PUG players in CW back when every other weekend challenge had PUG players in the queues. They got what they asked for.

I'm amused at how often this community complains when their outrage is answered with exactly what they were looking for.

[Axeface]

You can't really blame people for not playing something that isn't very fun for them... neither can you ask people to play it out of 'charity' or the 'help' pgi.
The best way to help PGI is to play what you like, if not many people play CW (as it stands now) then that should be enough of a warning to PGI that it sucks a bit.

MWO is also designed in a certain way, and has made people play in a certain way - the grind. This is not good gameplay, but it keeps people playing and keeps people buying, unfortunately.

CW didnt deliver the in-fiction immersive universe that it promised, it is a glorified leadboard with bigger maps, if they fix that people will play it I think.

Edited by Axeface, 08 July 2015 - 10:12 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

cdlord, on 08 July 2015 - 09:59 AM, said:

Combine the two into organized L33T meta-tryhards and there's no point for someone like me who refuses to follow the meta. Now, if there was a stock mech mode, or tech tier mode, etc.....

You and I have discussed this before though. I know you like the lowest possible TTK where I like to have a chance against the laservomit (better though since the laser nerf, still too many out there imo though).

Well I can Level 3 Mechs at once and since 3 Ebon Jags are under the tonnage limit it works out nicely. Or would, If I had better Frame rates and skills.

As for TTK. My Ebon prime uses UAC5, UAC10 and a LRM10. My big hitter has some medium pulses and a UAC20... Everyone's TTK is safe from my attack!

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 08 July 2015 - 10:24 AM.

[Rhaythe]

Axeface, on 08 July 2015 - 10:10 AM, said:

CW didnt deliver the in-fiction immersive universe that it promised, it is a glorified leadboard with bigger maps, if they fix that people will play it I think.

It suffers from the exact same problem as the PUG queues, but greatly expanded: uninspired game modes.

Community warfare needed to be something radically different. How much of the community warfare maps are wasted? The entire battle centers around two locations - the gate generators, and the omega generators (which are usually in close proximity). The rest of the map is typically uncontested (minus spawn camping).

When it was originally pitched to me, I had visions of progressive objectives that forced players through the map. Think Battlefield: Bad Company 2's Rush gamemode, but with a larger scale. Something that had a natural progression. Something that used more of the maps. True asymmetric gameplay.

Unfortunately, we get the same thing we get with most gamemodes in this game - minimum-viable product. Only now, in CW, combine that with insanely long wait times and a hostile group population.

EDIT: Just for further clarification, this is a Bad Company 2 rush map. Each of the white numbered diamonds are objectives. See how much of this map is used for gameplay?

Edited by Rhaythe, 08 July 2015 - 10:20 AM.